Would you vote differently now?

[TitanTim]

I feel Brexit will cost this country dearly in the end, sheer madness.

Tim.

 

[tomscott]

On another not the GF worked for Late Rooms she didn't even get through her probation and the department was dissolved and moved to manila and she was made redundant. We pretty much moved to Manchester because she got the job as it was a great job being the representative for the north top of scotland down to Sheffield. She had no rights because she hadnt been there long enough and we had to deal with it. So at one point we were both out of work. Things certainly haven't been easy and im sure im not the only one with a story to tell.

We are fortunate to have a very supportive family otherwise we would have been in a very difficult position. I know everyone is not in the same boat.

 

[mr wilks]

It's funny how majority are fingers in their ears pretending that nothing is happening, pound crash alone has made all of us poorer and our money worth less. And that's before we even get to the two year period.

How has the pound crash made all of us poorer ? :? I don't think i'm the only forum member with property in europe & whilst the holiday pound may be tighter on exchange for spending money the actual property value is rising the closer to parity 8) hence my no vote as from a personal perspective i could not see a win or lose situation whether in or out .

If you had to ask why the country is so divided Re the actual Brexit vote my perspective is there was a complete & utter lack of factual information available to anyone remotely interested so we ended up with the notion that vote out meant no more immigrants , most out voters probably never looked beyond that :wink:

 

[mr wilks]

There may well be minor blips as Tom highlights but as i see he's currently in the market for a 35 or ZMR id say things are going ok

Why do you think its taken so long. The budget isnt exactly huge.

Maybe its not to you Tom but its not exactly bumping along the bottom motoring with a £1ooo banger
Ive been self employed 30 yrs , so through 2 very heavy recessions that each time decimated the building trade , you just have to dig in & ride it out cutting cloth accordingly & learning life's lessons .
If we remain will there never be another recession? Doubtful
If we leave will there never be another recession ? Doubtful
Its simply the rollercoaster of life

 

[Buckz]

It's funny how majority are fingers in their ears pretending that nothing is happening, pound crash alone has made all of us poorer and our money worth less. And that's before we even get to the two year period.

How has the pound crash made all of us poorer ? :? I don't think i'm the only forum member with property in europe & whilst the holiday pound may be tighter on exchange for spending money the actual property value is rising the closer to parity 8) hence my no vote as from a personal perspective i could not see a win or lose situation whether in or out .

If you had to ask why the country is so divided Re the actual Brexit vote my perspective is there was a complete & utter lack of factual information available to anyone remotely interested so we ended up with the notion that vote out meant no more immigrants , most out voters probably never looked beyond that :wink:

well simply put, you pound buys you less than it did before. Even things like chinese import wheels(hello csl reps) have increased in price by £70/set.

everything has gone up price wise yet my wages stayed the same.

I agree, as I've said this vote should not have been in publics hands. Average Joe has not got the knowledge to make such a decision. And you say, many voted to get immigrants out.. which is not going to happen

 

[mr wilks]

It's funny how majority are fingers in their ears pretending that nothing is happening, pound crash alone has made all of us poorer and our money worth less. And that's before we even get to the two year period.

How has the pound crash made all of us poorer ? :? I don't think i'm the only forum member with property in europe & whilst the holiday pound may be tighter on exchange for spending money the actual property value is rising the closer to parity 8) hence my no vote as from a personal perspective i could not see a win or lose situation whether in or out .

If you had to ask why the country is so divided Re the actual Brexit vote my perspective is there was a complete & utter lack of factual information available to anyone remotely interested so we ended up with the notion that vote out meant no more immigrants , most out voters probably never looked beyond that :wink:

well simply put, you pound buys you less than it did before. Even things like chinese import wheels(hello csl reps) have increased in price by £70/set.

everything has gone up price wise yet my wages stayed the same.

I agree, as I've said this vote should not have been in publics hands. Average Joe has not got the knowledge to make such a decision. And you say, many voted to get immigrants out.. which is not going to happen

I bought many imported sets of wheels before brexit & bought 4/5 sets since . Absolutely no increase in prices paid & possibly evn cheaper :?

 

[original guvnor]

You haven't told me. All you've told me is that 3 years before any Brexit or any deal was known some media company decided it couldn't take you on any longer because of the referendum vote and I am highly sceptical they were telling you the truth.

Name the 'many' multi-national companies that are looking to move or not expand that have publically announced plans and provide some factual links to prove it.

Explain why the media business has been affected by Brexit specifically? Just because there aren't any jobs in media it doesn't mean that's Brexit-related. Our business (food & beverage) is probably one of the most exposed to Brexit because of the nature of our workforce but so far we're not experiencing any great recruitment issue and we haven't lost many EU nationals either.

4m kids with malnutrition? Really? Bullshit. There's only about 11 million children under the age of 16 in the UK. You seriously think that getting on for half of our kids are malnourished? Yet we apparently have a childhood obesity epidemic. According to the ONS 25% of 2-10 year olds and 33% of 11-15 year olds are overweight or clinically obese. Honestly you need to sit down and think about things before just digesting some crap you've read in the Guardian put there by Owen Jones or some other Corbynista. He managed to fool a load of students to vote for him on the promise of eradicating their student debt and they actually believed him!! Apparently the next Labour manifesto will offer all students a free trip to Disney in Florida.

 

[Buckz]

How has the pound crash made all of us poorer ? :? I don't think i'm the only forum member with property in europe & whilst the holiday pound may be tighter on exchange for spending money the actual property value is rising the closer to parity 8) hence my no vote as from a personal perspective i could not see a win or lose situation whether in or out .

If you had to ask why the country is so divided Re the actual Brexit vote my perspective is there was a complete & utter lack of factual information available to anyone remotely interested so we ended up with the notion that vote out meant no more immigrants , most out voters probably never looked beyond that :wink:

well simply put, you pound buys you less than it did before. Even things like chinese import wheels(hello csl reps) have increased in price by £70/set.

everything has gone up price wise yet my wages stayed the same.

I agree, as I've said this vote should not have been in publics hands. Average Joe has not got the knowledge to make such a decision. And you say, many voted to get immigrants out.. which is not going to happen

I bought many imported sets of wheels before brexit & bought 4/5 sets since . Absolutely no increase in prices paid & possibly evn cheaper :?

you must be shopping at some weird channels then, cmwheels, bmautosport, rimstyle etc my usual go-to places have all gone up :? Another thing that has very much gone up in price in my experience is computer hardware, I have just purchased a set of parts to build a custom box for my brother and the prices are shocking. But it makes sense. It is attractive for investors outside uk, not that pound is worth less.

 

[tomscott]

There may well be minor blips as Tom highlights but as i see he's currently in the market for a 35 or ZMR id say things are going ok

Why do you think its taken so long. The budget isnt exactly huge.

Maybe its not to you Tom but its not exactly bumping along the bottom motoring with a £1ooo banger
Ive been self employed 30 yrs , so through 2 very heavy recessions that each time decimated the building trade , you just have to dig in & ride it out cutting cloth accordingly & learning life's lessons .
If we remain will there never be another recession? Doubtful
If we leave will there never be another recession ? Doubtful
Its simply the rollercoaster of life

Completely agree. From that point of view it does look like being very spoiled.

I have always been a hard worker to get what I want one of the reasons I managed to get my first Z4. This time is no different. We have worked hard to get back to where we want to be I work 9-5 and then shoot weddings and events at the weekends and usually edit 7-11 most nights. The GF leaves at 7 and doesn't get back will 8-9pm most evenings. There isn't a lot of time to do much but save money to get where we want to be and slowly but surely things have got better.

I finished Uni in 2009 and was one of 3 from 60 graduates from my uni that got a job. A lot of my friends struggled and I was fortunate.

What does annoy me on the other hand is people that haven't been affected coming out and saying all of this is worth it especially when non of us have any experience of being out of the EU.

 

[tomscott]

You haven't told me. All you've told me is that 3 years before any Brexit or any deal was known some media company decided it couldn't take you on any longer because of the referendum vote and I am highly sceptical they were telling you the truth.

Name the 'many' multi-national companies that are looking to move or not expand that have publically announced plans and provide some factual links to prove it.

Explain why the media business has been affected by Brexit specifically? Just because there aren't any jobs in media it doesn't mean that's Brexit-related. Our business (food & beverage) is probably one of the most exposed to Brexit because of the nature of our workforce but so far we're not experiencing any great recruitment issue and we haven't lost many EU nationals either.

4m kids with malnutrition? Really? Bullshit. There's only about 11 million children under the age of 16 in the UK. You seriously think that getting on for half of our kids are malnourished? Yet we apparently have a childhood obesity epidemic. According to the ONS 25% of 2-10 year olds and 33% of 11-15 year olds are overweight or clinically obese. Honestly you need to sit down and think about things before just digesting some crap you've read in the Guardian put there by Owen Jones or some other Corbynista. He managed to fool a load of students to vote for him on the promise of eradicating their student debt and they actually believed him!! Apparently the next Labour manifesto will offer all students a free trip to Disney in Florida.

Sounds like you should be running for PM mate.

 

[original guvnor]

I don't think you'd vote for me.

 

[Smartbear]

Why do you think its taken so long. The budget isnt exactly huge.

Maybe its not to you Tom but its not exactly bumping along the bottom motoring with a £1ooo banger
Ive been self employed 30 yrs , so through 2 very heavy recessions that each time decimated the building trade , you just have to dig in & ride it out cutting cloth accordingly & learning life's lessons .
If we remain will there never be another recession? Doubtful
If we leave will there never be another recession ? Doubtful
Its simply the rollercoaster of life

Completely agree. From that point of view it does look like being very spoiled.

I have always been a hard worker to get what I want one of the reasons I managed to get my first Z4. This time is no different. We have worked hard to get back to where we want to be I work 9-5 and then shoot weddings and events at the weekends and usually edit 7-11 most nights. The GF leaves at 7 and doesn't get back will 8-9pm most evenings. There isn't a lot of time to do much but save money to get where we want to be and slowly but surely things have got better.

I finished Uni in 2009 and was one of 3 from 60 graduates from my uni that got a job. A lot of my friends struggled and I was fortunate.

What does annoy me on the other hand is people that haven't been affected coming out and saying all of this is worth it especially when non of us have any experience of being out of the EU.

I think some here must have that experience Tom, we didn’t join the common market until 1975?
Rob

 

[original guvnor]

Look Tom stop assuming we haven't been affected by the post-financial crash era. I haven't had a pay rise in 10 years that has been at or above the rate of inflation and several years with none at all. I haven't had a bonus for 6 of the last 7 years so in real terms I am 15-20% at least less well off than I was back in 2007. My house is barely worth what I paid for it 11 years ago despite spending £132k in mortgage payments in that time. I've set my own limited company up in my spare time two years ago to try and make up some of the difference so stop telling me I don't know what it's like to have some economic hardship. Your generation isn't known as the snowflakes without reason.

 

[Taz]

my vote has not changed

 

[Buckz]

Look Tom stop assuming we haven't been affected by the post-financial crash era. I haven't had a pay rise in 10 years that has been at or above the rate of inflation and several years with none at all. I haven't had a bonus for 6 of the last 7 years so in real terms I am 15-20% at least less well off than I was back in 2007. My house is barely worth what I paid for it 11 years ago despite spending £132k in mortgage payments in that time. I've set my own limited company up in my spare time two years ago to try and make up some of the difference so stop telling me I don't know what it's like to have some economic hardship. Your generation isn't known as the snowflakes without reason.

Lost all credibility after that line. I'd put you in the shoes of an average 20yo and you'd be crying with house at ridiculous levels, uni debts 40-50k and even after uni you'd struggle to get a perm job. It's a joke.

 

[PerryGunn]

If we remain will there never be another recession? Doubtful
If we leave will there never be another recession ? Doubtful
Its simply the rollercoaster of life

Precisely... plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose - although perhaps I shouldn't say that as, if we're leaving, we'll probably have to give up the right to use French epigrams....

 

[original guvnor]

Look Tom stop assuming we haven't been affected by the post-financial crash era. I haven't had a pay rise in 10 years that has been at or above the rate of inflation and several years with none at all. I haven't had a bonus for 6 of the last 7 years so in real terms I am 15-20% at least less well off than I was back in 2007. My house is barely worth what I paid for it 11 years ago despite spending £132k in mortgage payments in that time. I've set my own limited company up in my spare time two years ago to try and make up some of the difference so stop telling me I don't know what it's like to have some economic hardship. Your generation isn't known as the snowflakes without reason.

Lost all credibility after that line. I'd put you in the shoes of an average 20yo and you'd be crying with house at ridiculous levels, uni debts 40-50k and even after uni you'd struggle to get a perm job. It's a joke.

Glad you've got that off your chest? Nothing whatsoever to do with Brexit.

Ironically if you believe we should've stayed in house price rises would be even greater because you believe by coming out the economy will suffer and inward investment will dwindle.

 

[mr wilks]

Look Tom stop assuming we haven't been affected by the post-financial crash era. I haven't had a pay rise in 10 years that has been at or above the rate of inflation and several years with none at all. I haven't had a bonus for 6 of the last 7 years so in real terms I am 15-20% at least less well off than I was back in 2007. My house is barely worth what I paid for it 11 years ago despite spending £132k in mortgage payments in that time. I've set my own limited company up in my spare time two years ago to try and make up some of the difference so stop telling me I don't know what it's like to have some economic hardship. Your generation isn't known as the snowflakes without reason.

Lost all credibility after that line. I'd put you in the shoes of an average 20yo and you'd be crying with house at ridiculous levels, uni debts 40-50k and even after uni you'd struggle to get a perm job. It's a joke.

Im not sticking my oar in here for Og but you do make some sweeping generalisations about the country that just aren't true .
My son is 25yrs old , qualified plumber / heating engineer on £29k .
He never went to Uni , has no debt & is about to leave home after saving a decent deposit & buying a first home with his girlfriend . A brand new 3 bed detached in a nice area ( we live in Lancashire but that's to our benefit imo not a detriment) .
His mortgage will be £130k - just under £490 per month fixed for 10 yrs , , not a one off as he also has a cousin a year younger who trained & works at RollsRoyce Barnoldswick , he left home last year again no debts from Uni & first house was £185k which he had 10% deposit saved .
Lifes what you make it & for those on average salaries in the south with high debts & facing high property prices :? the answer isnt a tough one is it :wink:

 

[PaulG]

Lost all credibility after that line. I'd put you in the shoes of an average 20yo and you'd be crying with house at ridiculous levels, uni debts 40-50k and even after uni you'd struggle to get a perm job. It's a joke.

The only affect that membership of the EU has on house prices is upwards. 5 million people (roughly) net immigration since 1997. Not all from the EU, but around half. They all need housing somewhere. Economics of supply and demand. I agree it isn't that simple, but its not something that gets much attention. I used to work for a housebuilder in the IT dept. I worked for a while on the land valuation system and the cost of new housing is the land. I was amazed at how cheap it is to build a 5 bed detached house once the land is bought and groundworks are complete. The systems worked back from how much the houses could be sold for, costs of everything (even down to toilet hire and the crane to deliver the big mortar mixers), add in a very reasonable target profit (less than 20%) and the land value came out. For some very small pieces of land, the prices were astronomical - in 7 figures.

As for university tuition fees, I agree but with a caveat. The aim of 50% of 18/19 year olds going to Uni is absurd. Look at some of the courses - Football Studies (University of Solent and University of Bedfordshire for example) - Sports Management (Golf) University of Bournemouth. I could go on. What the hell sort degrees are these? How can a country afford for half of the population to do a degree in often useless subjects? Go back to the old system of 10-15% doing a funded degree in 'hard' subjects - STEM, medicine etc. that will be useful for the country. All the other courses can support themselves. If they really do add the value they claim and have employers demanding their skills, the employers / kids can justify the costs.

The daughter of a friend of ours recently had her 21st. We were invited to the party and had the 'experience' of listening to some of her friends. One had just finished a degree in music (or 'noise' as she described it). She had no intention of ever repaying the loan as she never expected to earn more than the level to start repaying. She was not the only one. The friends daughter had no idea what she wanted to do at 18, so did a degree to fill in the time. She still has no idea so is going to do a masters to take up another year or two. Should the taxpayer really fund her 'search for herself'?

 

[Dav the wheel nut]

I am like most young people with many years ahead of me

I wouldn't put money on that if I was you :|