Would you vote differently now?

[Boris]

I can only speak for myself but at present things are not hard.

I've been in business for nearly 40 years (and still are) and 2008/9/10/11/12/13 were the worst I've seen and that was nothing to do with Brexit.

I import lots from Europe and the far east the £/$ and £/Euro exchange rates have affected things somewhat but because everyone knows the reason for the increases customers were accepting of the new rates, lots of these have now eased anyway after the initial panic.

Most or all of the problems are caused by panic not any sound reasoning they panic because of the unknown and the banks are the worst culprits.

Do people really thing the Germans wont want to sell the UK their cars for instance after we leave we are the biggest market in the world for German cars.

Just look a the stock exchange its at the highest rate for years so something is working right! my pension is making me loads of money thanks you.

The only problem is the unknown as soon as we are actually out the country will boom, its a big world out there the end of the world does not stop at Europe.

Any way that's my two peneth, I know not everyone will see it my way but thats how I see it.

PS the main reason for me voting out by the way was the loss of control we as Brits have over decisions that affect the UK, especially when a court in another country can overrule our High Court; then that's time to say OUT.

Cheers

Nev

 

[Smurfalot]

Out out out.
I'm 43 (just lol) with a mortgage I have no hope of ever paying off..
Subsidising a benefits system that should be destroyed..
Working in a country that pays low wages, because the tax credits system is wrong..
Having a bunch of unelected idiots in Europe telling me what's best for me..
A European judicial system, that only benefits Germany and France..
Flooded with immigrants after the knackered welfare systems benefits..

Half of what is wrong with this country, is due to Europe. The other half is down the the politically correct lefties, that helped drag our country to its knees under the last labour government, and who would allow it to all happen again under the muppet Corbin.
We cannot sustain this country, without either putting up tax big time, to pay for what everyone wants, or we scrap some of the benefits like tax credits, and force the employers to pay a proper wage.
The young voters that the Labour Party attract, seem to want everything for nothing, and they want it now. Impossible.
Rant over.

 

[Hellequin]

I voted to Remain and I would vote the same now.

 

[volumex65]

out

 

[original guvnor]

I reflected on this debate last night and this morning. I've never had any issue with people who voted to Remain. It's a democracy and if you believe in the EU project then that's fine as I said in one of my earlier comments. Many of my good friends did. I understand why London voted massively in favour of Remain. The EU has been very good for Londoners on the whole and the economy in London has been booming for years off the back of the financial centre and massive government infrastructure investment. All I ask in return is for people to respect why people voted to leave but there is seldom any respect shown. Instead it's usually a sneering metropolitan middle-class voice telling you that you're one or all of "crazy", "racist", "bigot", "thick", "fascist", "immigrant hater" etc etc. Maybe people just don't believe in a federal Europe and the concept of open borders. There's seldom any "right" or "wrong" in these things - 10 years down the line I doubt we'll be able to say categorically that one was better than the other. It is simply do you believe in greater political and financial integration and greater loss of sovereignty or do you not.

My last words on this thread are directed at those sneering metropolitans - if you want to understand why the country voted for Brexit get off your arse and come outside of your metropolitan ivory towers and come and see for yourself. Come to the North Notts coalfields and see first hand how the EU has done nothing for it at all except flood an area with already high unemployment and a low-skilled workforce and no regeneration investment with even more cheap labour. That's why 71% voted to leave. Come and see for yourself. I dare you. Come and speak to local people and try to understand why they voted the way they did instead of calling them crazy.

We have been big net contributors to the EU pot for decades. Where has that investment gone? To Poland, Latvia, Spain, Portugal, East Germany (really???) etc. Nothing of any impact has come to the poorest, most needy areas in this country. In the meantime even more money has been poured into London making our economy one of the most unbalanced in the world. London gets Crossrail 1, HS1, HS2, Crossrail 2, Heathrow 3rd runway, Heathrow Express, massive tube upgrades and expansion. Contrast that with the northern powerhouse which gets just £300m for its rail network, and the East Midlands which gets electrification of the railways scrapped.

So if I was a bit aggressive yesterday perhaps you can understand why. We're sick and tired of people not respecting our vote and not listening.

 

[markalp]

Ahh the youth of today, to good to work at the bottom of the ladder, and expect everything to be given to them on a silver platter.

 

[Nictrix]

:lol: This whole thread is hilarious :lol:

 

[PeterZed]

I voted out and would still again , yes the wrong side of 60 now but still have a mortgage after working since I was 16, I used my experience and life skills to come to my decision and sorry if the young uns don't agree with me and the democratic process that arrived at this decision.

 

[john-e89]

I agree with Original guvnor, the Union is pissed simply because of what they’ll not be getting for free now and having to give next to nothing back. I see this as a chance for the UK to stride out and start trading with the rest of the world without one hand tied behind our backs. Sure it’s not going to be easy but we must learn to stop in fighting and get on with being the GREAT Britain we once were, and still can be. We mustn’t let that idiot Corbyn and his bunch of leftist Pratt’s give our money away to anyone who can’t be arsed to get out of bed and go to work. The country needs immigration sure, but for OUR benefit, OUR rules, OUR democracy and sovreingty, and in return you’ll get a decent standard of living in a nice country run by US. I hear restaurant owners etc, saying with out migrant workers they’ll have to shut shop because our people won’t work, that has to change, the benefit system has to change to make it better to work than not, it has to start somewhere so why not now? Corbyn would just keep handing money to idle scroungers and borrow the money to do it, where’s the sense in that? We have to change the ideology of people, it’s the only way to return to long term prosperity. Bitching and fighting and political point scoring is bullshit, this is a chance to make a change, we MUST grab it and do it correctly. Business needs to go out and sell to the free world, it’s there for the taking, we survived very nicely up tip joining in ‘73, we’ve not had much out of it except a stranglehold on our business and a Union that doesn’t give a damn about us, only our money.

All easy to say but it can be done, the leaders just need the balls to do it, it’s a wonderful opportunity to put ourselves back on top, let’s hope sense prevails.

 

[RickRob]

I voted out, but having seen the total ineptitude of the British "negotiators" and the monkeys they're supposed to be negotiating with, I am seriously wondering where we're going and if we'll ever get there.

As such if there was another referendum I think that I would vote remain, although it would be a close call.

Interesting that this poll is currently sitting at exactly 50:50. If I remember correctly the original poll on here was significantly towards leaving.

 

[rooha]

the really scary thing for the future is not whether we are in or out, whether we have trade deals or not etc etc etc. Just looks at the clowns who will be running the country .... do you trust a single one of them ( left or right) to be the architects of some glorious tomorrow for GB.

nah, me neither.

As I have always understood things there are faults with the EU ( major ones to be fair) but a lot of the things it is blamed for were done by successive UK governments eg chronic structural underinvestment, selling off national assets to foreign interests, allowing foreign companies to buy large parts of the UKs industry, screwing the NHS, messing up education, crippling the military and so on. Maggie stole the milk and crushed the miners; Gordon and Tony sold the gold (any anything the previous lot hadn't tied down) to buy votes and Cameron called that goddamn referendum with a 50/50 pass rate. The greatest achievement in British politics since 1973 is that somehow or other the two main parties have swindled the electorate into believing that everything is the fault of 'the other'.

The snowflake generation that has been called out here multiple times is nothing to with the UK or the EU as such. Its comes from an older generation that raised a largely shitty generation. Hopefully their anger and self-righteous indignation can be put to better use than wiping our arses when we are in nursing homes, or voting for old socialists with stupid stupid hare-brained plans. Look to yourself when you sneer at them. I pity the poor bastards.

Fingers crossed it will all work out but I think its going to take some deus ex machina for that to happen. This tires and depresses me, I'm going back to looking at US politics and thanking god we arent living through that at least.

 

[Vornwend]

Brexit was a solution in search of a problem. Now we have a problem in search of a solution

The problem with all this harking back to a so called golden era is that there are absolutely no facts to back it up. These are the actual facts: Britian has done far better in the EU than it ever did before it joined. Britain joined what was then the European Economic Community in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. By the late 1960s, France, West Germany and Italy — the three founder members closest in size to the UK — produced more per person than it did and the gap grew larger every year. Between 1958, when the EEC was set up, and Britain’s entry in 1973, gross domestic product per head rose 95 per cent in these three countries compared with only 50 per cent in Britain. After becoming an EEC member, Britain slowly began to catch up. Gross domestic product per person has grown faster than Italy, Germany and France in the more than 40 years since. By 2013, Britain became more prosperous than the average of the three other large European economies for the first time since 1965. To deny this is a bit like the Life of Brian sketch when the sceptics question what the governing power has done for them (nothing apart from fantastic growth in living standards, protected employment rights, ever safer product safety, free and unhindered access to a massive market place, 70 years of peace etc etc).

I'm tired of hearing that the EU is all about a faceless group of bureaucrats. There are elected MEPs in the EU parliament just as there are MPS in our own . The governing mechanisms of any political system always include armies of un-elected officials who regulate and administer. In this respect the EU is no different than the UK - The Civil Service, The Environment Agency, Trading Standards - non of these contain elected officials.

If we follow through with Brexit we are taking a massive gamble that, if goes wrong, will reverberate through the generations to come. I hope we will come to our senses and pull the plug on it while there is still time :roll: Seeing how things are currently going I'm quite hopeful of that or more likely that we will fudge it :wink:

 

[Zeld4]

I for the life of me can’t understand any one would want Junker and Co over our democratically elected government. Obviously there seems to be a lot of dissolusion with our own politicians, but that’s exactly what the EU want. I actually think David Davis is doing a great job. And I’m sure he would call them all at the EC c**ts if he had to. What a legend.

 

[rooha]

I for the life of me can’t understand any one would want Junker and Co over our democratically elected government. Obviously there seems to be a lot of dissolusion with our own politicians, but that’s exactly what the EU want. I actually think David Davis is doing a great job. And I’m sure he would call them all at the EC c**ts if he had to. What a legend.

satire , right ? the only other option is that david davis is a secret forum member :lol:

 

[Mr Tidy]

The problem with all this harking back to a so called golden era is that there are absolutely no facts to back it up. These are the actual facts: Britian has done far better in the EU than it ever did before it joined. Britain joined what was then the European Economic Community in 1973 as the sick man of Europe. By the late 1960s, France, West Germany and Italy — the three founder members closest in size to the UK — produced more per person than it did and the gap grew larger every year. Between 1958, when the EEC was set up, and Britain’s entry in 1973, gross domestic product per head rose 95 per cent in these three countries compared with only 50 per cent in Britain. After becoming an EEC member, Britain slowly began to catch up. Gross domestic product per person has grown faster than Italy, Germany and France in the more than 40 years since. By 2013, Britain became more prosperous than the average of the three other large European economies for the first time since 1965. To deny this is a bit like the Life of Brian sketch when the sceptics question what the governing power has done for them (nothing apart from fantastic growth in living standards, protected employment rights, ever safer product safety, free and unhindered access to a massive market place, 70 years of peace etc etc).

Maybe, but GDP per person in Britain might have grown at that rate even if Britain hadn't joined the EU - there is no factual basis to say otherwise.

But there is no doubt that we are now helping to fund a European state that our residents do not want to be part of - hence the referendum result.

This was a public referendum so the result reflects the view of the majority of the electorate that voted, rather than the votes of representatives who get elected and seem to forget that they were elected to represent the views of those who put them there!

Your side lost - get over it!

 

[Vornwend]

I'd rather base my views on facts than might's or maybes. The great thing about democracy is that you can change your mind when you realise you've made a mistake. The vote did not give politicians a blank cheque and the electorate are entitled to a vote on the terms of the exit when they become clear. Thankfully we're still in and will be for years to come. By that time the generation that swung the vote will be a lot smaller

 

[Mr Tidy]

I'd rather base my views on facts than might's or maybes. The great thing about democracy is that you can change your mind when you realise you've made a mistake. The vote did not give politicians a blank cheque and the electorate are entitled to a vote on the terms of the exit when they become clear. Thankfully we're still in and will be for years to come. By that time the generation that swung the vote will be a lot smaller

Sorry, but why is the electorate entitled to a vote on the terms of the exit deal FFS?

That was never on the agenda, it was a one-off vote - IN or OUT.

As a lover of FACTS you need to recognise that the majority voted for OUT - and that is a FACT!

And I can't see my generation (and the one before it, or indeed after it) dying off any time soon with all the increases in age expectancy! :lol:

Long may you be thwarted - maybe you just want your student grant written off!

 

[Zeld4]

I for the life of me can’t understand any one would want Junker and Co over our democratically elected government. Obviously there seems to be a lot of dissolusion with our own politicians, but that’s exactly what the EU want. I actually think David Davis is doing a great job. And I’m sure he would call them all at the EC c**ts if he had to. What a legend.

satire , right ? the only other option is that david davis is a secret forum member :lol:

Well it’s not totally serious but who would be able to negotiate with the EU? Why is everyone giving our govenrmt a hard time, but there is absolutely no crittism of the way the EU are negotiating from the BBC or newspapers. So actually yes he’s not doing a bad job. He’s not crumbled like any lefty remoaner would. He’s standing his ground. I mean, what do you really think he can do in the situation?

 

[Vornwend]

I'd rather base my views on facts than might's or maybes. The great thing about democracy is that you can change your mind when you realise you've made a mistake. The vote did not give politicians a blank cheque and the electorate are entitled to a vote on the terms of the exit when they become clear. Thankfully we're still in and will be for years to come. By that time the generation that swung the vote will be a lot smaller

Sorry, but why is the electorate entitled to a vote on the terms of the exit deal FFS?

That was never on the agenda, it was a one-off vote - IN or OUT.

As a lover of FACTS you need to recognise that the majority voted for OUT - and that is a FACT!

And I can't see my generation (and the one before it, or indeed after it) dying off any time soon with all the increases in age expectancy! :lol:

Long may you be thwarted - maybe you just want your student grant written off!

The electorate are entitled to another vote simply because they didn't know what they were voting for :roll: Ridiclous to have a simple yes/ no vote on something so complicated. Cameron's attempt to stay in power that back fired big time.
The proportion of people in the generations who voted out will decrease over time, that is a fact of life. Almost 80% of the under 25's voted in.

University education was free in my day although I'm not sure I understand why that is relevant to the Brexit vote :?

At the end of the day and more than a year after the vote we're still in and the tide will surely turn

 

[Mr Tidy]

The electorate are entitled to another vote simply because they didn't know what they were voting for Ridiclous to have a simple yes/ no vote on something so complicated. Cameron's attempt to stay in power that back fired big time.

Why? There was a referendum in 1974 but no 2nd vote. And I'm sure the electorate then was no more aware of what they had voted for than this time.

Even the SNP seem to have realised you can't keep having a referendum until you get the result "you" want - why can't you come to terms with that?

Or don't you believe in democracy when it doesn't fit your agenda?