Would you buy a Z4 Diesel if they made one
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I would be al over a bi-turbo Z435D, 700 torques and the handling to boot sounds like such a fun car.
Hmmm, perhaps a good conversion idea for when my 2.0 goes pop??
Hmmm, perhaps a good conversion idea for when my 2.0 goes pop??
I am a bit confused
So we would be happy with a 6 pot that did 0-60 in 5.8 seconds ND 31 MPG but would not consider a 4 pot even if it was faster 5.5 and gave more mpg LIKE 36. NOT me what crap. BMW have already dropped the 3.0 for oh I am sorry my 4 pot that not only is faster but is better mpg. gramophone granddad (not the 9 o clock news).
Lets get real BMW have already dropped most of the slow heavy fuel hungry 6 pots for let me say BETTER engines with better 0-60 and MPG for a reason. I am glad I had the 3.0 for a few months and so glad I changed. More fun and when I don't need it cash for beer or champers with the better half.
So we would be happy with a 6 pot that did 0-60 in 5.8 seconds ND 31 MPG but would not consider a 4 pot even if it was faster 5.5 and gave more mpg LIKE 36. NOT me what crap. BMW have already dropped the 3.0 for oh I am sorry my 4 pot that not only is faster but is better mpg. gramophone granddad (not the 9 o clock news).
Lets get real BMW have already dropped most of the slow heavy fuel hungry 6 pots for let me say BETTER engines with better 0-60 and MPG for a reason. I am glad I had the 3.0 for a few months and so glad I changed. More fun and when I don't need it cash for beer or champers with the better half.
Me too, there are some cracking 4 pot petrols out there that isn't in question, but this thread is about a diesel & all 4pot diesels should be critisised imo as majority of them are noisy underpowered & pretty hopeless...well the one I owned was & I just hate them.jaz4 said:
I am not anti diesel buy any means as the 330d we had was a cracking allrounder & a different kettle of fish even though overall I still prefer a petrol engine, I still take my hat off to bmw for not offering a diesel Z4 considering how many lacklustre 4pot diesels they produce...they could have made a killing with a diesel Z4 it would have sold very well much to my disgust.
jaz4 said:
Where's your soul my friend? spin the best petrol units towards the red line and it's a joy, not quite the same experience in a D coughing a bunch of crap out the back as it hits a hole in the curve. True diesel is capable of delivering astonishing grunt and is perfect for high mileage use but not in my sports car
ldman:
My 3.0 litre V6 diesel sounds pretty good at full chat, a deep throaty thrump.....
That said my neighbours C63 sounds awesome, but that kind of noise seems dead to BMW these days, unless its piped through your speakers
seems if you want a V8 howl you need to go elsewhere
That said my neighbours C63 sounds awesome, but that kind of noise seems dead to BMW these days, unless its piped through your speakers
seems if you want a V8 howl you need to go elsewhere
What would you have ? Z4 3.0 or z4 35d ? This will be good ! 
You are spot on sarssars said:That said my neighbours C63 sounds awesome, but that kind of noise seems dead to BMW these days, unless its piped through your speakers
seems if you want a V8 howl you need to go elsewhere
the V8 in my m3 doesn't even sound like one I just don't know why bmw make thier cars so muted & everytime I hear a C63 I wish I had got one of them instead but it's auto only & I love a manual that was the only problem for me.The 6.2 in the C63 is head & shoulders more exciting than beemers V8.
Beamermad I think I had, heads sore this morning. 
I need to put the spare petrol money I am saving in my 28i from the 30i into,,,, let me think !!!!! that remap mod.
My point is that some people seem very focused on petrol 6 pots and and would not consider anything else as it will take away from the "true nature" of the z4.
I had 4 zds before all 6 pots and even before I got the first I did not even know it was a 6 pot, I even got it wrong saying it was a v6 until my operations director who had a z3 and drives mercs corrected me, he was in his late 50's then so understood "TRUE" engines. (I did just come from a v5 1.8 turbo TT). I now know the difference between V6 and straight 6 ect but in a way who cares its an engine, (that coming from me a process engineer) for me its the raw data with the most important one 0-60 time then mpg.
Times move on so engines will need to be improved reason why I quoted a line from not the 9 oclock news when now sadley departed Mel Smith went into a hifi shop and asked for a Gramophone, (great sketch but shows my age) with reference to big large numbered pots being the gramophone / vinyl compared to CD the 4 pot turbo or even the dark smelly stuff.
I have only ever owned petrols but if the performance is better than the one I am driving and the MPG is higher, I would consider it, just like I jumped from the 30i to the 28i, as it is 1) faster, 2) better mpg. I have sacraficed some of the exhaust sound (but they have made a few mods to make it lively) and its a 4 pot turbo.
In terms of smoothness, yes its a bit more clicky rattles and tinny BUT smoothness is a subjective thing and I cant really notice the difference (the vinyl V CD quote and the worst compression of all mp3). Any differences you soon forget about. The 28i does seem to pull better at low revs, but this could be due to my 30i was an auto which seemed to slip the clutch a bit.
THE key part is that whatever it is I am still driving a fantastic looking roadster that shifts better than a 6 pot 3.0 to have fun in but is saving me a fair bit of money on the regular daily commute to work.
So Ewazix I have already sold my sole going for a 4 pot, and BMW have decided that the old 6 pots have had their day and the future is with lighter tuned 4 pot turbos by pulling the 2.5 and 3.0 engines.
If they do it right and get a good performing diesel sub 6 seconds and average mpg in 50's it wont matter if its a 4 pot or 6 pot to me I would get it.
From now on there will not be may new pure z4 owners out there opting for the the only 6 pot available the 35i or 35si. The rest of us will have to slum it and make do with the 4 pots only dreaming of what it would be like to have the sound and smoothness of a straight 6. Sorry I dont think so.
I need to put the spare petrol money I am saving in my 28i from the 30i into,,,, let me think !!!!! that remap mod.
My point is that some people seem very focused on petrol 6 pots and and would not consider anything else as it will take away from the "true nature" of the z4.
I had 4 zds before all 6 pots and even before I got the first I did not even know it was a 6 pot, I even got it wrong saying it was a v6 until my operations director who had a z3 and drives mercs corrected me, he was in his late 50's then so understood "TRUE" engines. (I did just come from a v5 1.8 turbo TT). I now know the difference between V6 and straight 6 ect but in a way who cares its an engine, (that coming from me a process engineer) for me its the raw data with the most important one 0-60 time then mpg.
Times move on so engines will need to be improved reason why I quoted a line from not the 9 oclock news when now sadley departed Mel Smith went into a hifi shop and asked for a Gramophone, (great sketch but shows my age) with reference to big large numbered pots being the gramophone / vinyl compared to CD the 4 pot turbo or even the dark smelly stuff.
I have only ever owned petrols but if the performance is better than the one I am driving and the MPG is higher, I would consider it, just like I jumped from the 30i to the 28i, as it is 1) faster, 2) better mpg. I have sacraficed some of the exhaust sound (but they have made a few mods to make it lively) and its a 4 pot turbo.
In terms of smoothness, yes its a bit more clicky rattles and tinny BUT smoothness is a subjective thing and I cant really notice the difference (the vinyl V CD quote and the worst compression of all mp3). Any differences you soon forget about. The 28i does seem to pull better at low revs, but this could be due to my 30i was an auto which seemed to slip the clutch a bit.
THE key part is that whatever it is I am still driving a fantastic looking roadster that shifts better than a 6 pot 3.0 to have fun in but is saving me a fair bit of money on the regular daily commute to work.
So Ewazix I have already sold my sole going for a 4 pot, and BMW have decided that the old 6 pots have had their day and the future is with lighter tuned 4 pot turbos by pulling the 2.5 and 3.0 engines.
If they do it right and get a good performing diesel sub 6 seconds and average mpg in 50's it wont matter if its a 4 pot or 6 pot to me I would get it.
From now on there will not be may new pure z4 owners out there opting for the the only 6 pot available the 35i or 35si. The rest of us will have to slum it and make do with the 4 pots only dreaming of what it would be like to have the sound and smoothness of a straight 6. Sorry I dont think so.
jaz4 said:
Your TT wasn't a V5 - it was a 4 pot Turbo
On the diesel front, my Z is my daily drive and I do around 20,000 miles a year in it (most on the motorway on cruise control). I would consider a diesel and indeed considered putting a 3.0 BMW turbo diesel 6 pot in it as I was basically facing having to sell my Z and buy a boring saloon/ 3 series coupe that I had sold for the Z.
I wanted to keep my convertible sports car but NEEDED cheaper running costs so I opted to convert to LPG. Diesel running costs, petrol performance, characteristics and sound. Best thing I ever did!
jaz4 said:Beamermad I think I had, heads sore this morning.
I need to put the spare petrol money I am saving in my 28i from the 30i into,,,, let me think !!!!! that remap mod.
My point is that some people seem very focused on petrol 6 pots and and would not consider anything else as it will take away from the "true nature" of the z4.
I had 4 zds before all 6 pots and even before I got the first I did not even know it was a 6 pot, I even got it wrong saying it was a v6 until my operations director who had a z3 and drives mercs corrected me, he was in his late 50's then so understood "TRUE" engines. (I did just come from a v5 1.8 turbo TT). I now know the difference between V6 and straight 6 ect but in a way who cares its an engine, (that coming from me a process engineer) for me its the raw data with the most important one 0-60 time then mpg.
Times move on so engines will need to be improved reason why I quoted a line from not the 9 oclock news when now sadley departed Mel Smith went into a hifi shop and asked for a Gramophone, (great sketch but shows my age) with reference to big large numbered pots being the gramophone / vinyl compared to CD the 4 pot turbo or even the dark smelly stuff.
I have only ever owned petrols but if the performance is better than the one I am driving and the MPG is higher, I would consider it, just like I jumped from the 30i to the 28i, as it is 1) faster, 2) better mpg. I have sacraficed some of the exhaust sound (but they have made a few mods to make it lively) and its a 4 pot turbo.
In terms of smoothness, yes its a bit more clicky rattles and tinny BUT smoothness is a subjective thing and I cant really notice the difference (the vinyl V CD quote and the worst compression of all mp3). Any differences you soon forget about. The 28i does seem to pull better at low revs, but this could be due to my 30i was an auto which seemed to slip the clutch a bit.
THE key part is that whatever it is I am still driving a fantastic looking roadster that shifts better than a 6 pot 3.0 to have fun in but is saving me a fair bit of money on the regular daily commute to work.
So Ewazix I have already sold my sole going for a 4 pot, and BMW have decided that the old 6 pots have had their day and the future is with lighter tuned 4 pot turbos by pulling the 2.5 and 3.0 engines.
If they do it right and get a good performing diesel sub 6 seconds and average mpg in 50's it wont matter if its a 4 pot or 6 pot to me I would get it.
From now on there will not be may new pure z4 owners out there opting for the the only 6 pot available the 35i or 35si. The rest of us will have to slum it and make do with the 4 pots only dreaming of what it would be like to have the sound and smoothness of a straight 6. Sorry I dont think so.
Cool sorry for the
but the thread reveals some fundamental differences in ownership needs and wants. My Z4 is a 4th car in the household and is an indulgence. As a teen in the early 80's I had Alfa's mainly because the sound and image, I lusted after a local 911 for the same reasons and still thrill when I hear a pukka V8 open up but there isn't a singe diesel that presses the same emotional buttons.I would not want to own a Z4 diesel, even if such a thing existed. Whilst BMW apparently make some of the best diesel engines, I have never driven anything but petrol engine cars in 43 years of motoring. Diesel is more expensive, noisy, smelly, and (I understand) only makes economic sense if you drive more that 20k miles a year. Also, I don't believe a diesel engine is suitable for a car that can have its roof down (ie, a convertible). Who would want to hear such an engine from 'outside' the cabin?
When ever I see a TT diesel I think, what a stupid car!! Not because it's a bad car or engine but it's like dipping your chips in custard.
I used to have 123d coupe though, I don't think any one should slag off 4 cylinder diesels until they've had a go in one of those.
I used to have 123d coupe though, I don't think any one should slag off 4 cylinder diesels until they've had a go in one of those.
They do rate they 123d very very highly & I haven't ever read a poor review of it, but I seriously hated the 4 pot diesel in my old 520d it was noisy, unrefined & gutless it's the worst engine I've ever experienced & I judge all 4 pot diesels in the same vein after that unfortunetely & probably unfairly.Zeld4 said: