Calling Scottish Dwellers...
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^^^^ true. Hope there's a massive turnout tomorrow then...
Just as a side note about lack of influence in Westminster... Two Scottish PMs in recent years - Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, labour too, not Tory - and many chancellors have been Scottish as well. Seriously, how much more influential is it possible to be in Westminster ?
All this hatred of the upper class English running the country and screwing Scotland that I see spewed onto Facebook and the like, when actually Scots ran it for 10 years. And didn't do a great job really... Though Scotland itself benefitted hugely during that time. Probably not deliberate nepotistic tendencies of course, but the irony is irrefutable...
Just as a side note about lack of influence in Westminster... Two Scottish PMs in recent years - Tony Blair and Gordon Brown, labour too, not Tory - and many chancellors have been Scottish as well. Seriously, how much more influential is it possible to be in Westminster ?
All this hatred of the upper class English running the country and screwing Scotland that I see spewed onto Facebook and the like, when actually Scots ran it for 10 years. And didn't do a great job really... Though Scotland itself benefitted hugely during that time. Probably not deliberate nepotistic tendencies of course, but the irony is irrefutable...
Bing said:sniffer said:
This makes me very sad, because I agree and I think you have voiced very eloquently my personal feelings about the situation, without swearing
What a price to pay if all that is achieved is a message to Westminster.
The sad thing is that its probably all Alex Salmond really wanted to do, and gaining independence was simply the icing on the cake. He has achieved his goal whatever the result, with extra concessions being pledged by Westminster. And the irony is, I believe they were originally drawn up by no other than, Gordon Brown. :roll:
Bing said:
Ditto Bing. As an exiled weegie (with a decidedly dodgy accent) I am a proud Scot (and avid skirt wearer, but that's for another thread....). However, having grown up and lived all over the world courtesy of HM Forces firstly, and work related latterly, I am also a proud Brit. I find the whole situation pretty embarrassing and slightly disturbing. People should be moving towards a more inclusive society and situations like this create insular, divisive societies. What next, a feudal society? Been there, tried that...
But, as a non-resident in Scotland, I have no say in the overall affair... so am just sat here, hoping that common sense prevails.
Nictrix said:
What is it currently? 51 Labour MP's in Scotland? Or something like that. I'd say that's pretty influential for a country with only 4.5m. I think there at least 3 Labour governments that only got elected because of Scotland since the war alone.
original guvnor said:
On the contrary, there's only been four times since the war where taking the scottish vote out of the equation would have changed the vote, and none of those times has seen a labour government elected, the only one that's come close is in 2010 without the Scottish vote Cameron would have won a majority rather than having to form the coalition:
In 1964, when Labour won a majority, the Tories would have been the largest party but without a majority.
In February 1974, the Tories, rather than Labour, would have been the largest party.
In October 1974, Labour would have been the largest party but without the majority it won.
In 2010, the Tories would have secured an overall majority and would not have needed to form the Coalition with the Liberal Democrats.
Well that kind of proves my point. We would've avoided Labour governments in 64 and 74 and we would've avoided the abortion that the Lib-Dem coalition has given us in 2010. So apologies it was 2 Labour governments rather than three and 1 coalition. I'd say a 57 seat swing in 2010 was pretty big wouldn't you?
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I would think the Labour party will try and keep there votes at least for the next electionpvr said:
bedminsterbob said:
I would imagine turn out would be very low, and parties may have difficulty finding people to stand as no one will want a 12 month job- they'll want to focus on Scottish parliament. That 'll be a bunfight to see which Scottish mps get selected for only 1 parliament.
If the Yes vote wins it will be interesting to see who gets what. The Labour MSP is rubbish here, whereas the Labour MP really puts himself out and about all the time, not just at election time. I wonder if the MP would move south for a job or challenge for a seat as an MSP?
I think the No vote will win, so its as you are.
I think the No vote will win, so its as you are.
Well I've been and I've voted. Mikes voted as have a lot of others I know. Now we just hope that sanity provails!
On the topic of Labour governments, unfortunately the scottish people can't forget the Poll Tax but for people like me that was before I was born and it's in the past but people refuse to vote Tory for that reason. They could guarantee everyone a million pounds and they'd still not vote for them. On the other hand I have friends who vote Labour and hate the SNP because like the Tories, the SNP do not give into unions!
If scotland was to become independent and I stayed I would forever be under the rule of a party I did not vote for but I would vote to try and change that. However change to who people vote for in Scotland will only come about if young people are allowed to make up their own minds instead of being brain washed by people living in the past.
On the topic of Labour governments, unfortunately the scottish people can't forget the Poll Tax but for people like me that was before I was born and it's in the past but people refuse to vote Tory for that reason. They could guarantee everyone a million pounds and they'd still not vote for them. On the other hand I have friends who vote Labour and hate the SNP because like the Tories, the SNP do not give into unions!
If scotland was to become independent and I stayed I would forever be under the rule of a party I did not vote for but I would vote to try and change that. However change to who people vote for in Scotland will only come about if young people are allowed to make up their own minds instead of being brain washed by people living in the past.
pvr said:
Unfortunately yes we will still be allowed to vote in that. If it was a yes vote then I strongly think scotland should not be allowed to vote. Why should we have a say on a country we will no longer be part of?
Maybe I'm being thick or over simplifying things but it just seems like logic to me.