Migrant crises
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ronk said:
At the moment it appears to be the Hungarian Police. It's a very difficult situation but I do feel borders should be controlled and a big mistake in the EU allowing free passage. I'm not against free passage but there has to be checks made on people and that's what these people appear not to understand or don't wish too. You can't blame Hungary wishing to protect its borders and no different to Calais.
Tim.
These mostly young and healthy people are leaving their country in search of a better life and in doing so are, in effect deserting the vulnerable and elderly who are left behind.
They should stay and fight for themselves and their family instead of 'fighting' to come to Europe. You see photos of how the cities are over there but they look not much different to parts of London during the blitz. We stayed and rebuilt our cities, we didn't go off in search of a better place.
They are leaving their country to the terrorists. They should fight back instead of running away.
I know its easy for me to say sitting in my house within a peaceful country and if it should happen here who knows if I would feel any differently, I probably would but I'm damn sure I wouldn't leave any elderly family while I went off to look for the land of milk and honey as a lot of these refugees must be doing.
They should stay and fight for themselves and their family instead of 'fighting' to come to Europe. You see photos of how the cities are over there but they look not much different to parts of London during the blitz. We stayed and rebuilt our cities, we didn't go off in search of a better place.
They are leaving their country to the terrorists. They should fight back instead of running away.
I know its easy for me to say sitting in my house within a peaceful country and if it should happen here who knows if I would feel any differently, I probably would but I'm damn sure I wouldn't leave any elderly family while I went off to look for the land of milk and honey as a lot of these refugees must be doing.
ronk said:
I think the turning point for Europe was last year when Syrian forces were chemical bombing the civilian population, it turned a blind eye along with America and I feel Europe is now paying the consequences. Its a war the west shouldn't really get involved in but I can't see any alternative at the moment. But then who would we be fighting and the possible added complication that Russia is supposidly supplying arms to the Syrian Gov't. A humungous mess.
Tim.
This whole business is so sad - whatever the reasons for these people to risk their lives trying to get here ( I accept there are varying reasons ) all I can see is people dying - men ,women and children day after day. Whatever you think the majority of these people are desperate - you can see it in their faces . I know there is poverty here in the UK but the majority of us ( certainly on this forum ) live in relative comfort and safety .
These people have given up their homes and all their material possessions to try to move somewhere where they and their families can at least be safe - if the tables were turned and we had to flee our country just imagine how we would feel.
The only solution is for all countries to get together and agree a strategy to help these people but we all know this won't happen - things will get a lot worse before some form of compromise will be ironed out. I have the utmost respect for all the people who are at least trying to help in some small way and not taking the line that it's nothing to do with us.
These people have given up their homes and all their material possessions to try to move somewhere where they and their families can at least be safe - if the tables were turned and we had to flee our country just imagine how we would feel.
The only solution is for all countries to get together and agree a strategy to help these people but we all know this won't happen - things will get a lot worse before some form of compromise will be ironed out. I have the utmost respect for all the people who are at least trying to help in some small way and not taking the line that it's nothing to do with us.
ronk said:
Exactly Ronk fight alongside Assad, fight with the rebels or join Isis? If any of us were there we'd be forcing our kids to go to Europe for a better life.
What a mess it is. I say let them in, but that doesn't matter they're coming regardless.
My tuppence worth..
John002 said:
Fair doos to Cameron though for having his head screwed on and only accepting people from the refugee camps outside Syria, i.e. genuine refugees.
Alot of this now I blame squarely on Germany for jumping the gun and opening the floodgates instead of thinking of the consequences and assessing first who these people are. My biggest worry now is you have god knows who possibly terrorists freely entering countries under the migrant guise.
Tim.
Update sent to me:-
Third World Invasion: Eyewitness Description, September 5, 2015
September 6, 2015 by TNO Staff— in Europe
An eye-witness account from Kamil Bulonis, a Polish travel blog writer, who was present on the Italian-Austrian border on September 5, 2015, as swarms of Third World nonwhites poured across the border to invade Austria and Germany (A translation from Polish
“Half an hour ago on the border between Italy and Austria I saw with my own eyes a great many immigrants …
With all solidarity with people in difficult circumstances I have to say that what I saw arouses horror … This huge mass of people – sorry, that I’ll write this – but these are absolute savages … Vulgar, throwing bottles, shouting loudly “We want to Germany!” – and is Germany a paradise now?
I saw how they surrounded a car of an elderly Italian woman, pulled her by her hair out of the car and wanted to drive away in the car. They tried to overturn the bus in I travelled myself with a group of others. They were throwing faeces at us, banging on the doors to force the driver to open them, spat at the windscreen … I ask for what purpose? How is this savagery to assimilate in Germany?
I felt for a moment like in a war … I really feel sorry for these people, but if they reached Poland – I do not think that they would get any understanding from us … We were waiting three hours at the border which ultimately could not cross.
Our whole group was transported back to Italy in a police-cordon. The bus is damaged, covered with faeces, scratched, with broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea for demographics? These big powerful hordes of savages?
Among them there were virtually no women, no children—the vast majority were aggressive young men … Just yesterday, while reading about them on all the websites I subconsciously felt compassion, worried about their fate but today after what I saw I am just afraid and yet I am happy that they did not choose our country as their destination. We Poles are simply not ready to accept these people – neither culturally nor financially.
I do not know if anyone is ready. To the EU a pathology is marching which we had not yet a chance to ever see, and I am sorry if anyone gets offended by his entry …
I can add that cars arrived with humanitarian aid – mainly food and water and they were just overturning those cars …
Through megaphones the Austrians announced that there is permission for them to cross the border—they wanted to register them and let them go on—but they did not understand these messages. They did not understand anything.
And this was the greatest horror … For among those few thousand people nobody understood Italian or English, or German, or Russian, or Spanish … What mattered was fist law… They fought for permission to move on and they had this permission— but did not realize that they had it!
They opened the luggage hatches of a French bus—and everything that was inside was stolen within short time, some things left lying on the ground …
Never in my short life had I an opportunity to see such scenes and I feel that this is just the beginning.”
Third World Invasion: Eyewitness Description, September 5, 2015
September 6, 2015 by TNO Staff— in Europe
An eye-witness account from Kamil Bulonis, a Polish travel blog writer, who was present on the Italian-Austrian border on September 5, 2015, as swarms of Third World nonwhites poured across the border to invade Austria and Germany (A translation from Polish
“Half an hour ago on the border between Italy and Austria I saw with my own eyes a great many immigrants …
With all solidarity with people in difficult circumstances I have to say that what I saw arouses horror … This huge mass of people – sorry, that I’ll write this – but these are absolute savages … Vulgar, throwing bottles, shouting loudly “We want to Germany!” – and is Germany a paradise now?
I saw how they surrounded a car of an elderly Italian woman, pulled her by her hair out of the car and wanted to drive away in the car. They tried to overturn the bus in I travelled myself with a group of others. They were throwing faeces at us, banging on the doors to force the driver to open them, spat at the windscreen … I ask for what purpose? How is this savagery to assimilate in Germany?
I felt for a moment like in a war … I really feel sorry for these people, but if they reached Poland – I do not think that they would get any understanding from us … We were waiting three hours at the border which ultimately could not cross.
Our whole group was transported back to Italy in a police-cordon. The bus is damaged, covered with faeces, scratched, with broken windows. And this is supposed to be an idea for demographics? These big powerful hordes of savages?
Among them there were virtually no women, no children—the vast majority were aggressive young men … Just yesterday, while reading about them on all the websites I subconsciously felt compassion, worried about their fate but today after what I saw I am just afraid and yet I am happy that they did not choose our country as their destination. We Poles are simply not ready to accept these people – neither culturally nor financially.
I do not know if anyone is ready. To the EU a pathology is marching which we had not yet a chance to ever see, and I am sorry if anyone gets offended by his entry …
I can add that cars arrived with humanitarian aid – mainly food and water and they were just overturning those cars …
Through megaphones the Austrians announced that there is permission for them to cross the border—they wanted to register them and let them go on—but they did not understand these messages. They did not understand anything.
And this was the greatest horror … For among those few thousand people nobody understood Italian or English, or German, or Russian, or Spanish … What mattered was fist law… They fought for permission to move on and they had this permission— but did not realize that they had it!
They opened the luggage hatches of a French bus—and everything that was inside was stolen within short time, some things left lying on the ground …
Never in my short life had I an opportunity to see such scenes and I feel that this is just the beginning.”