Migrant crises

jimmybell said:
why are you assuming people that arent british born can't find work in the UK?

It's funny all the negative arguements for people movement - "they'll take our jobs!" followed by "they'll come here do no work and take our benefits!"

Which is it?

Neither. Blanket statements about 10,000 different people are dumb.

what makes you think I'm assuming ?
 
Just check statistically. The figure I quoted was from Germany where existing migrants are 3 times more likely to be unemployed. That is not a guess, that is statistical data.
 
There's more than enough money and the logistics globally to get the refugees, not economic migrants, out and house them world wide rather than just a few European and Middle East countries. It's a crazy world where so many ignore what's going on when everyone helping out would have the problem sorted and no one would be under any strain from taking so many.
 
slick said:
jimmybell said:
why are you assuming people that arent british born can't find work in the UK?

It's funny all the negative arguements for people movement - "they'll take our jobs!" followed by "they'll come here do no work and take our benefits!"

Which is it?

Neither. Blanket statements about 10,000 different people are dumb.

what makes you think I'm assuming ?

here?

slick said:
Take 10,000 migrant families........bear in mind with the best will in the world they wont find jobs right away ( if ever)

isn't this about an incoming 20,000 refugees?

It's perfectly possible for me, or you, to be a refugee (luckily for us, we probably wont be), but becoming a refugee has no impact on my ability to work and contribute to the economy, i wont suddenly forget my career skills.
 
john-e89 said:
There's more than enough money and the logistics globally to get the refugees, not economic migrants, out and house them world wide rather than just a few European and Middle East countries. It's a crazy world where so many ignore what's going on when everyone helping out would have the problem sorted and no one would be under any strain from taking so many.

But isn't part of the problem with those fleeing Syria that they're being selective in where they want to end up?
 
jimbo1958 said:
It'll either be jobs or benefits won't it?

And what about housing......is there enough to support them?

I think you underestimate the work ethic of the entire planet outside the lazy british benefits club (which obviously doesn't apply to EVERYONE on benefits). Benefits shouldn't be a choice.

Like you and me, i'm sure they'd be looking for work and then looking for a house to live in, again, like you or me, typically this involves renting first.

Granted it'd suck to have 10 more competitors to your potential job, but there is lots of opportunity to differentiate yourself and up-skill here in the UK compared to what's on offer for the people coming from Syria, equally being British you have pretty strong head start for any role. Not sure
 
Such a terrible situation... Their home needs fixing, but the past tells us its not so easy (massive understatement). Some could argue that this would have happened in Iraq and Afghanistan to a greater extent if the wars hadn't escalated by the west. Its a lose-lose as neither wars nor an exodus are what anyone wants.

These are still people, desperate to live their lives in peace - not asking for much. They aren't fleeing to grab some Child Support or JSA, they're fleeing for their lives. Their sheer devotion to escape and risk their lives with their children should provide a good indicator that they will provide for whoever takes them in.

For all those who at the first sign of seeing a refugee thinks "they took our jobs!" simple - stop moaning, get off your arse and make yourself useful. :)
 
EdButler said:
For all those who at the first sign of seeing a refugee thinks "they took our jobs!" simple - stop moaning, get off your arse and make yourself useful. :)

May I ask what are you doing to make yourself useful?

Tim.
 
I think he's implying if you think your job is at risk from a refugee - consider doing something about it.
 
The point Jimmybell is.......as asylum seekers they wont be allowed to work untill asylum has been granted and we all know how slowly the wheels of authority grind
 
jimbo1958 said:
john-e89 said:
There's more than enough money and the logistics globally to get the refugees, not economic migrants, out and house them world wide rather than just a few European and Middle East countries. It's a crazy world where so many ignore what's going on when everyone helping out would have the problem sorted and no one would be under any strain from taking so many.

But isn't part of the problem with those fleeing Syria that they're being selective in where they want to end up?

Yes quite possibly Jimbo and I agree that's not right but I was thinking more of 'genuine refugees' who are fleeing war zones, surely they'd be happy anywhere safe?
 
i'm sure they'll all want to go back when the war is over so its only a temporary measure
 
Taz said:
i'm sure they'll all want to go back when the war is over so its only a temporary measure
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
Yeah, I expect we'll have similar scenes at Dover, with them trying to get back as soon as the conflict ends :D
 
john-e89 said:
jimbo1958 said:
john-e89 said:
There's more than enough money and the logistics globally to get the refugees, not economic migrants, out and house them world wide rather than just a few European and Middle East countries. It's a crazy world where so many ignore what's going on when everyone helping out would have the problem sorted and no one would be under any strain from taking so many.

But isn't part of the problem with those fleeing Syria that they're being selective in where they want to end up?

Yes quite possibly Jimbo and I agree that's not right but I was thinking more of 'genuine refugees' who are fleeing war zones, surely they'd be happy anywhere safe?

You would thing so John,yes.
 
jimmybell said:
jimbo1958 said:
It'll either be jobs or benefits won't it?

And what about housing......is there enough to support them?

I think you underestimate the work ethic of the entire planet outside the lazy british benefits club (which obviously doesn't apply to EVERYONE on benefits). Benefits shouldn't be a choice.

Working in the culturally diverse city of London for the past 41 years I've worked with people from all over the world so don't really understand your assumption.

Wasn't suggesting that we're expecting an influx of scroungers but until we know a bit more about the job opportunities if and when they're granted asylum then they're going to require some financial assistance.

With over 1.4 million households on the Council House waiting list in London alone and the shortage of affordable housing and the high price of renting I think my question on housing was relevant.
 
andysat said:
Have you seen the news clip on FB saying ISIS said they would send over 500,000 soldiers disguised as refugees!

I'm at a Counter Terrorism Seminar tomorrow, so this will be an interesting topic.
 
I doubt very much any of the Migrants/Refugees will ever return back to their home country/Syria unless they have their Asylum application refused and they are deported but even then they will make sure themselves they will dissapear to avoid this. I can only see people returning for family reasons but the chances are they will encourage any family still in Syria for follow suit and join them in Europe.

Tim.
 
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