Migrant crises

I had read that one as well last week with the pictures attached on the blog.

Similar scenes I read about in NL where there is dissatisfaction with the migrants that have gone there. Daily battles with the police, mass rapes in the houses they have been placed in. Nice ...

Oh - and they get paid 600 Euro a month spending money and free food.
 
Of course I don't condone any of this behaviour in any way or disbelieve that these events have taken place but you can't broad brush every migrant ( or refugee ) in the same way - similarly you can't label all muslims as terrorists. The problem is identifying who is genuine and who is not - I don't know the answer but we can't just close our eyes to the genuine suffering .
 
I think t shows the level of desperation these people are experiencing - I also think it demonstrates how they might react should they come under pressure in their new state of protection.
 
ronk said:
I think t shows the level of desperation these people are experiencing - I also think it demonstrates how they might react should they come under pressure in their new state of protection.
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Your first sentence says it all - can't agree the latter if you suggesting this as a generalisation .I would have thought the genuine refugees who have been lucky enough to be accepted in another country aren't going to rock the boat to the extent they might find themselves in jeopardy.
 
gov said:
ronk said:
I think t shows the level of desperation these people are experiencing - I also think it demonstrates how they might react should they come under pressure in their new state of protection.
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Your first sentence says it all - can't agree the latter if you suggesting this as a generalisation .I would have thought the genuine refugees who have been lucky enough to be accepted in another country aren't going to rock the boat to the extent they might find themselves in jeopardy.
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But that seems to be the case though - those in the European countries seem to behave like savages. Remember that the majority are young men who even in their guest country do not tolerate women due to their upbringings. There are images of them urinating on their fellow migrant women.

How comfortable would you feel having a group housed near to your family knowing that with their upbringing how they value them? Also note that only 30% is estimated to have had any schooling what so ever, so we are talking about even a certain cut from their society.
 
pvr said:
gov said:
ronk said:
I think t shows the level of desperation these people are experiencing - I also think it demonstrates how they might react should they come under pressure in their new state of protection.
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Your first sentence says it all - can't agree the latter if you suggesting this as a generalisation .I would have thought the genuine refugees who have been lucky enough to be accepted in another country aren't going to rock the boat to the extent they might find themselves in jeopardy.
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But that seems to be the case though - those in the European countries seem to behave like savages. Remember that the majority are young men who even in their guest country do not tolerate women due to their upbringings. There are images of them urinating on their fellow migrant women.

How comfortable would you feel having a group housed near to your family knowing that with their upbringing how they value them? Also note that only 30% is estimated to have had any schooling what so ever, so we are talking about even a certain cut from their society.
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Not sure where you are getting all this insight - even right wing newspapers have shown some compassion with their reporting . I recall seeing one father who had escaped from Iraq with his family was a Doctor who wanted to continue his profession along with many other professionals in similar circumstances - I only use this as an example that not everything is as portrayed by the media . I've not lived in Syria or Iraq so I don't purport to know firsthand what their upbringing has been like but I do try to keep an open mind and look below the surface.

As regards NIMBY'ism this already exists - I don't have a solution to all this but I will still try to understand and help if I can.
 
I read the European national papers (as I speak the languages there). As the UK does not have huge volumes of these migrants, the real impact is only felt in the European countries where they are. As I want to be informed / prepared for the influx in the UK - I prefer to do the homework in advance. Similar, there is no reporting on the position of Merkel in the UK for example regarding her single person decision to make that welcoming statement. As Germany is such an important country in Europe, I have done a fair amount of background reading in the foreign papers on how they perceive her actions. It does not look like she has longevity in politics due to her actions of recent times.

Of course there are exceptions and probably many of them, but even if that amounts to a few hundred between thousands it would only be a drop in the ocean.

I would gladly help a number of them, but not by getting them all in Europe. It is just not possible / feasible to look after everyone in the world like that.
 
That is the impression I get from the various German papers I had a read through.
 
pvr said:
That is the impression I get from the various German papers I had a read through.
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I read that her approval rating had plummeted since the refugee crisis. Don't forget West Germany is still smarting over the unification and the extra taxes they paid!

There was a poll at the weekend done by Sky News which suggest the UK electorate are far less sympathetic than the left-leaning media are.

http://news.sky.com/story/1562525/uk-deeply-divided-over-letting-in-refugees
 
We all tend to base out opinions on the diet of information the press feed us!
Can we always believe the press?
 
I confess to not being multilinqual or have access to European newspapers but I suspect European media differs little from ours ie right or left wing influence. I accept that as they are closer to what is happening then overall they should report a more consistent picture . Clearly then things have changed from a few weeks back when German people were seen waving placards welcoming the refugees as they arrived .
 
I don't know if it has changed or whether there were a few hundred people who were waving the welcome and the silent majority was not so keen.

The thought of 800k people coming in a year who at best don't quite share our values would scare the hell out of me.
 
pvr said:
The thought of 800k people coming in a year who at best don't quite share our values would scare the hell out of me.
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And then having the freedom to roam throuought Europe !
I have no doubt a lot will be genuine and decent folk but amongst them will be some very "not nice" people!

We have enough of our own I'm afraid,
 
Some of my feelings on this topic.

Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores in July 2002, and in New York Sept 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so again since from within our borders?

Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day in Washington , and in downtown Manhattan , and in a field in Pennsylvania ?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that Muslims are claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation THEY come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.

I'll care about them when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible and Christians, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading.

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Syria come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of Nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the British media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the stories of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.

Recently, I heard a story about a British soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take this to the bank:

I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner - who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special food' that is paid for by my taxes - is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled', you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:

I do not care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran'. Well, believe me!! You've guessed it ....

I don't care!!

Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. Our soldiers didn't have that problem. Yet these refugess from countries where our soldiers fought, get more help, funding, air time and care than our soldiers ever did.

Only one force has ever offered to die for me:

The British Soldier. The same british soldiers that are unable to walk down the street in the country they fought for in uniform for fear of being targeted by extremists that are allowed to take refuge in our country.

I will not welcome or agree to accepting Muslim immigrants into this country whilst these brainwashed animals could be hidden within the crowd.
 
dans6490 said:
Some of my feelings on this topic.

Are we fighting a war on terror or aren't we? Was it or was it not started by Islamic people who brought it to our shores in July 2002, and in New York Sept 11, 2001 and have continually threatened to do so again since from within our borders?

Were people from all over the world, not brutally murdered that day in Washington , and in downtown Manhattan , and in a field in Pennsylvania ?

Did nearly three thousand men, women and children die a horrible, burning or crushing death that day, or didn't they?

And I'm supposed to care that Muslims are claiming to be tortured by a justice system of the nation THEY come from and are fighting against in a brutal insurgency.

I'll care about them when the fanatics in the Middle East start caring about the Holy Bible and Christians, the mere belief of which is a crime punishable by beheading.

I'll care when these thugs tell the world they are sorry for hacking off Nick Berg's head while Berg screamed through his gurgling slashed throat.

I'll care when the cowardly so-called 'insurgents' in Syria come out and fight like men instead of disrespecting their own religion by hiding in mosques and behind women and children.

I'll care when the mindless zealots who blow themselves up in search of Nirvana care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs.

I'll care when the British media stops pretending that their freedom of speech on stories is more important than the stories of the soldiers on the ground or their families waiting at home to hear about them when something happens.

Recently, I heard a story about a British soldier roughing up an Insurgent terrorist to obtain information, know this:

I don't care.

When I see a wounded terrorist get shot in the head when he is told not to move because he might be booby-trapped, you can take this to the bank:

I don't care.

When I hear that a prisoner - who was issued a Koran and a prayer mat, and 'fed special food' that is paid for by my taxes - is complaining that his holy book is being 'mishandled', you can absolutely believe in your heart of hearts:

I do not care.

And oh, by the way, I've noticed that sometimes it's spelled 'Koran' and other times 'Quran'. Well, believe me!! You've guessed it ....

I don't care!!

Some people spend an entire lifetime wondering if they made a difference in the world. Our soldiers didn't have that problem. Yet these refugess from countries where our soldiers fought, get more help, funding, air time and care than our soldiers ever did.

Only one force has ever offered to die for me:

The British Soldier. The same british soldiers that are unable to walk down the street in the country they fought for in uniform for fear of being targeted by extremists that are allowed to take refuge in our country.

I will not welcome or agree to accepting Muslim immigrants into this country whilst these brainwashed animals could be hidden within the crowd.
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Well said ,its high time political correctness was seen for exactly what it is.........bullsh*t

or as Harry Truman put it..........Political Correctness is a doctrine, recently fostered by a delusional, illogical minority and promoted by a sick mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a piece of sh*t by clean end!
 
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