Migrant crises

jimmybell said:
If i knew where the national front's website was, i'd point you to it.

That did make me laugh out loud, I must apologise as my post was actually an extract from a letter sent in by a housewife to one of the newspapers. I just cut and paste to see what the reaction would be. I was honestly expecting a bigger reaction.

She makes a few strange points, such as ''I'm supposed to care that Muslims are claiming to be tortured'' and the strangest point is '' I'll care when *they* care about the innocent children within range of their suicide bombs''. Suggesting she will only care about the innocent children when the terrorists do? A tad harsh.

It does show how misguided some of the opinions out there are. I think most of the moderate concerns out there are well-founded but then some of it such as the ladies letter is bordering on pure hysteria.
 
If i'm honest - my first reply was 'i wonder where you copied that from', equally surprised to find such 'opinions' here, but still.. the internet is weird and wonderful.
 
There will always be wars and sh#t going on in the world. I'm past caring on world events now. Tough luck on those having hard times but its been going on for centuries. We will all have our own battles to deal with someday in some way or form. Live a happy life, concentrate on your own family's well-being.

Turn the news channel off.
 
I dont have a problem with any race, religion or whatever. However if we have reached a stage where you cannot got a doctors appointment, our schools are full to brimming and we have to build more and more houses then our generation have made a real cock up out of good intentions. Our Country is full and anyone who arrives here illegally or from Europe should be sent straight back to the country they came from normally France rather than country of birth.
I fear for our Countries future, it happened on our watch and its our kids that will have to sort out the consequences - unfortunately its all now too late to do anything about it so enjoy the wine, final salary pensions etc and be afraid, very afraid for our kids.
 
Mike6 said:
I dont have a problem with any race, religion or whatever. However if we have reached a stage where you cannot got a doctors appointment, our schools are full to brimming and we have to build more and more houses then our generation have made a real cock up out of good intentions. Our Country is full and anyone who arrives here illegally or from Europe should be sent straight back to the country they came from normally France rather than country of birth.
I fear for our Countries future, it happened on our watch and its our kids that will have to sort out the consequences - unfortunately its all now too late to do anything about it so enjoy the wine, final salary pensions etc and be afraid, very afraid for our kids.

A lot of Primary schools were closed down in the UK in the 1980s due to the declining birth numbers. This must undoubtedly be a problem now with the influx of immigrant children and the fact that certain ethnic minorities tend to have more offspring.
 
I cannot vouch for the validity of this:-

Sunday, September 27, 2015 22:00

This is from a retired RAF officer who served in the sixties and is now working and living in Germany.


Dear Friends,

Europe is now in total chaos and I think that you should know about it.

I have waited a week or so to see how things will develop and to glean more information before presenting the facts.

As you may know from the media, the flood of refugees cum economic immigrants into Europe has reached ridiculous proportions and to the extent that Hungary and other Balkan states have closed their borders and Turkey is considering doing the same.

Angela Merkel in an ill-advised speech to the Bundestag, welcomed all refugees to Germany and the floodgates opened and, in my view, this was all pre-planned beginning with the Pope’s appeal last year for Islam to move closer to Christianity. This was then followed up via the Italian Government instructing the Italian Navy to rescue all boat refugees and bring them to Italy.

As a result, it seems that some 8000 people per day are now entering Europe via various routes. Most of these are young males between 17 and 25. The result is chaos as you can imagine.

Here in Saarland we have been overwhelmed with refugees mainly young males but some families. In Lebach, some 10 kilometres from here, a camp for 200 was set up and a further 100 added this last week. The politicians, local government and religious leaders have fallen over themselves to bring them in and cater for them.

And so what is the result? In Ventimiglia near Monte Carlo, the refugees banded together (organised by smart phone) and over ran the market and stole or destroyed everything and ransacked the town.

Here in Lebach, a group entered a supermarket and took what they wanted and destroyed the rest. When the Manageress confronted them, they called up their friends and smashed the place to bits. The police arrived but were overwhelmed. The supermarket is now closed.

Yesterday, my friends rang from Weissenfels near Leipzig since two supermarkets and a Kaufland store in Halle suffered the same way. More news is coming in from all over Germany of the same situations.

The media report none of this.

Many people have demonstrated against being overrun by immigrants. In Weissenfels, families were thrown out of an eight flat apartment block and 70 refugees moved in. Small towns of some 2000 to 3000 people are over run by some 5000 to 6000 refugees.

Much civil unrest is apparent and is just boiling under the surface. Europe is in chaos and the do-gooders have totally lost control of the situation. Islam has overwhelmed us.

For the Syrian and Afghan refugees, I have every sympathy and they need help. They should get it. But for the rest, in my view, the state authorities must be firm and send them back. Perhaps it is too late.



Anyway, I thought that you should know that the situation here is pretty grim and I fail to see how it can be resolved. I can only foresee a police state.
 
Scary stuff indeed, I wonder and fear for the future, especially for our grandkids , not good. :thumbsdown:
M
 
Why would they want to come here.

Serco apologises after hiring stretch limo for asylum seekers
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-34527534
 
Could be worse, in Germany they are suing the government
Der Welt said:
Twenty migrants have sued the Berlin State Office for Health and Social Affairs because they had to wait more than a week to register their asylum cases and receive welfare handouts. They are demanding instant payment.

Germany is struggling to cope with the 1.5 million migrants it expects to absorb this year and those arriving in Berlin often have to wait days if not weeks to be registered at asylum centres.

The group of twenty who have decided to sue claim they have had to wait more than a week. Their “urgent application” has been confirmed by a court spokesman, Die Welt reports.

The court spokesman said the plaintiffs were seeking to “put pressure on the authorities” by bringing the case, and the court would issue a ruling in the coming days. The spokesman said that the incident was just one of several similar legal cases brought by migrants over the past two weeks.
 
On the news a couple of nights ago they were speaking to migrants who had just got out of a boat. There were a few women and a couple of babies but mostly it looked like young men.
They filmed one young man speaking on the phone to his family, mother, father, aunt etc who were still in Syria.
My questions are, why would these young men (and women) leave their elderly loved ones in a war ridden country and not stay with them?
Why is Europe freely allowing so many young men (and women) across our borders from the very place where our enemies are?
Big mistake, BIG mistake.
 
Nanu said:
Thank god were are an island

Not a lot of help when they get German passports. I am afraid when Europe gets overrun, the UK will suffer as well.
 
Will be out of it with a bit of luck by then.

All this is helping the out campaign no end.
 
I don't believe though that the "British" public demonstrate to show their disagreement with this situation. We are all guilty of waiting
and watching without reacting, and shouting at the TV while watching the news! Usually because we are too busy because we need to earn our keep for our families, and pay our bills.

If this were a situation that displeased the public that have settled here in Britain I am sure that marches and demonstrations would be
common place on our main streets accompanied with a large and costly police presence ,(tax payers money) to maintain order and control.

I know that people in old boats and rubber dinghies must be saved while they attempt to cross the water but why not take them safely
back home to a camp set up by European protection forces and not just give them a lift into Europe!!

If Europe cant agree or don't know how to stop this biblical flow of people into our countries we are just waiting once again for the words of
Enoch Powel to come true! This is a situation that's out of control.
 
Confused® said:
Seems like a good time to radically reduce our police force. should we not be recruiting.
I think its probably the armed forces that we need higher numbers for, we dont need any more speed traps :wink:
 
Nictrix said:
Confused® said:
Seems like a good time to radically reduce our police force. should we not be recruiting.
I think its probably the armed forces that we need higher numbers for, we dont need any more speed traps :wink:
We need to find a use for the Trident missiles we are going to be replacing :evil:
 
OK, I sent a German acquaintance of mine this post.

ronk said:
I cannot vouch for the validity of this:-

Sunday, September 27, 2015 22:00

This is from a retired RAF officer who served in the sixties and is now working and living in Germany.


Dear Friends,

Europe is now in total chaos and I think that you should know about it.

I have waited a week or so to see how things will develop and to glean more information before presenting the facts.

As you may know from the media, the flood of refugees cum economic immigrants into Europe has reached ridiculous proportions and to the extent that Hungary and other Balkan states have closed their borders and Turkey is considering doing the same.

Angela Merkel in an ill-advised speech to the Bundestag, welcomed all refugees to Germany and the floodgates opened and, in my view, this was all pre-planned beginning with the Pope’s appeal last year for Islam to move closer to Christianity. This was then followed up via the Italian Government instructing the Italian Navy to rescue all boat refugees and bring them to Italy.

As a result, it seems that some 8000 people per day are now entering Europe via various routes. Most of these are young males between 17 and 25. The result is chaos as you can imagine.

Here in Saarland we have been overwhelmed with refugees mainly young males but some families. In Lebach, some 10 kilometres from here, a camp for 200 was set up and a further 100 added this last week. The politicians, local government and religious leaders have fallen over themselves to bring them in and cater for them.

And so what is the result? In Ventimiglia near Monte Carlo, the refugees banded together (organised by smart phone) and over ran the market and stole or destroyed everything and ransacked the town.

Here in Lebach, a group entered a supermarket and took what they wanted and destroyed the rest. When the Manageress confronted them, they called up their friends and smashed the place to bits. The police arrived but were overwhelmed. The supermarket is now closed.

Yesterday, my friends rang from Weissenfels near Leipzig since two supermarkets and a Kaufland store in Halle suffered the same way. More news is coming in from all over Germany of the same situations.

The media report none of this.

Many people have demonstrated against being overrun by immigrants. In Weissenfels, families were thrown out of an eight flat apartment block and 70 refugees moved in. Small towns of some 2000 to 3000 people are over run by some 5000 to 6000 refugees.

Much civil unrest is apparent and is just boiling under the surface. Europe is in chaos and the do-gooders have totally lost control of the situation. Islam has overwhelmed us.

For the Syrian and Afghan refugees, I have every sympathy and they need help. They should get it. But for the rest, in my view, the state authorities must be firm and send them back. Perhaps it is too late.



Anyway, I thought that you should know that the situation here is pretty grim and I fail to see how it can be resolved. I can only foresee a police state.

and this is his reply, he apologises for his poor English, but it's better than my German.

Good Morning,

ok my english is not so good... but i can read all obove and understand what he writes.

BUT it isnt in Chaos! Yes, there are a lot of problems with all of this many poeple.
Not merkel and the pope invite them, the poeple, who get a lot of money for bringing them over the border, are the bad one. They give them wrong informations...
They com to europe, to germany under and with wrong informations.
Supermarket over run...I ve never hear things like that. Maybe one or two guys go in a market and steal some things, but destroy the shop complet?! No, never ....

My first impulse after reading the words was: Propaganda! Fear! For what?

Yes, again, there a lot of problems...but it will comes in a good way.
Today germany, and in a view days other countrys also, will change the rules for asyl!
People from Balkan have to leaf, go home. All poeple from countrys thats save countrys have to go! They will send home, with power from governement, thats fast.
Poeple from afgahnistan syrien and war countrys can reach asyl and the way to get asyl will be a short way. The check the asylreport as fast as they can. Asyl yes=can stay Asyl no=have to leave fast.

We have to check very well and very fast, who is here in europe/germany for save his life and save his family and who wants only to reach only money, easy living, comfort and will be feed (The last once are the problemspoeple)

I hope you know what i mean...

Also we have to check our system terrorwarning. NOT ALL Moslem are terrororists!!!! Its propaganda/publicity like Göbbels.
There are view poeple in germany they also terrorists (in my eyes) who goes on the streets and fired houses for asylpoeple. They hit them, they mobbt them... And the police has another new job...
Its a lot of work for all offices!

There ist a hard time in europe, yes as well, but not a chaos!

I have a lot of other information. Live from the people with true storys from the tripp and they way to reach here. They run for there life...some of them run for 2,5 years over many countrys, sea with small ships, train and trucks, they will be hit by other, kicked and will be handle like a dead dog...they have sometimes many phsyichisch deseasts/sickness.
My work is, get young poeple in a way to life alone an become an autonom status.
They are 15-23 years old, from syrien, afgahnistan, tunesien, marroko, eritrea and albanien ... and... and...
Some guys can stay here and reach asyl for a undefined time. But poeple from albanien maybe, have to go home=no asyl in sight=save country>>>BUT they have humanrights! And we have to handle them with respect as well!!!
My posture:
You can come to my land, respect our rules. Respekt our culture, also i will do that to your person and your way.
But if your come to my land, to reach comfort, luxus and will be supply for nothing, you can go home.
Go home, and bring your land on a good way, but not scrounge here!

Many young guys know these posture, and its ok for them. That is the posture of many many many german poeple! But there are view guys, that we calles brown once, its a small way to be nazi.
Not all moslems are terrorist, not all german are nazi... so what :-) it will be all comes in a good flow ...

i hate to read letters like that, from poeple who had no idea, Knowless and make propaganda/publicity....

You can understand my words? And sorry for my bad english ;-)

Look at your posture :-)


take care :-)
A

p.s. to my person to understand something...
i am 48 years old now. Learned the job as a car mechanic, metall mechaniker/locksmith, work as a firfighter and then i checked in by the airforce as jet engine mechanics/weapens mech. for many years. Stayed in canada for a view visits, in england, in greece and many other countrys, based in portugal for a view years with the aireforce. I was a part of dessert storm in 1991 and know what war means! Have seen poeple, that was brocken over that.
Now i work in youthwork, streetwork and i think i can say, that i know from wich i talk...
 
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