Margaret Thatcher
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Re the funeral - they should replace the hearse (being used before the gun carriage) with an open top zed (a tasteful deep sea blue walnut leather one of course). She liked an open top journey (cf the picture of her draped in cream on the top of a tank).
I wasn't old enough to have an educated opinion about what she did and did not do - though i do get the impression she had real conviction about her politics, whether right or wrong - i suspect she'd be a much better candidate now than any of the current offerings.
I support neither of the three 'major' parties fully, i sympathise with the Lib Dems and they've earnt my vote in the past - equally i dont think they've done anything significantly wrong in this coalition to warrant me not voting for them again. I think the public are just as bad as the politicians, and we're all fueled by the media (who are probably 80% of the problem). I met Caroline Lucas - she's a smart cookie, but equally i think some of the Green politics is unrealistic.
It'd be nice to see some decent politics again, but i'm getting bored of underqualified career politicians running areas of the country they have no knowledge of, or experience in. I have to admit i do enjoy watching Nigel Farage berate all of them, whether UKIP is the right way forward or not is another debate.
We should jump on the Greek bandwagon and send Germany an invoice for WW2 costs, that'd fix our deficit. I wonder what the Conservatives would do if we had no national debt?
I support neither of the three 'major' parties fully, i sympathise with the Lib Dems and they've earnt my vote in the past - equally i dont think they've done anything significantly wrong in this coalition to warrant me not voting for them again. I think the public are just as bad as the politicians, and we're all fueled by the media (who are probably 80% of the problem). I met Caroline Lucas - she's a smart cookie, but equally i think some of the Green politics is unrealistic.
It'd be nice to see some decent politics again, but i'm getting bored of underqualified career politicians running areas of the country they have no knowledge of, or experience in. I have to admit i do enjoy watching Nigel Farage berate all of them, whether UKIP is the right way forward or not is another debate.
We should jump on the Greek bandwagon and send Germany an invoice for WW2 costs, that'd fix our deficit. I wonder what the Conservatives would do if we had no national debt?
You shouldnt shy away from political or religious debate, everyone is entitled to their opinions and it's important that others hear them. Otherwise the only opinions making any impact or changing the way our society works will be the extreme ones - and that's no good for anyone.
It will inevitably get heated, but just remember we're all on the same side really - and try not to be naive when throwing out potentially insulting comments and we'll all get along!
The only people that are naturally on the same team when it comes to politics, economics and religion is the public. Politicians should be our puppets, whether they act like it or not is another thing. Likewise the media has a lot to answer for - but equally contributes significantly.
It will inevitably get heated, but just remember we're all on the same side really - and try not to be naive when throwing out potentially insulting comments and we'll all get along!
The only people that are naturally on the same team when it comes to politics, economics and religion is the public. Politicians should be our puppets, whether they act like it or not is another thing. Likewise the media has a lot to answer for - but equally contributes significantly.
jimmybell said:
+1
Healthy political debate is good for mind and soul. Only problem is when people start trying to WIN the debate rather than sharing their side and hearing the otherside. Debates like this can't be won, everyone is going to have different opinions and views.
What worries me is that people side with the status quo of their political party, rather than reading around and issue and forming their own opinions.
I'm literally a Liberal Green who doesn't like the EU and works in 'The City', you dont get much more .. confused? or .. diverse!
The only thing i consistently get annoyed by is Ed Miliband.
I'm literally a Liberal Green who doesn't like the EU and works in 'The City', you dont get much more .. confused? or .. diverse!
The only thing i consistently get annoyed by is Ed Miliband.
All im going to say is
FIRSTLY
What or who makes a good Prime minster.
For every 2 or 3 people that will say they like and agree with someone's views, there will always be 1 or 2 people that don’t agree. Being Prime Minister is like being a Football referee, Half the crowd will agree with you, half wont, all will hate you!
Based on this, I think Margret Thatcher WAS a Great Prime Minister and on the whole Britain would be in a worse place now if it wasn’t for her influence.
Regardless of good and Bad policies, I think her involvement in the end of the Cold War has formed a (not perfect but) stronger safer Europe and Keeps Britain's influence on world affairs (a million times better than her predecessor’s anyway).
Just saying
SECONDLY
I have heard a lot of disrespectful things on Social media and seen images of left wing protesters........
FIRSTLY
What or who makes a good Prime minster.
For every 2 or 3 people that will say they like and agree with someone's views, there will always be 1 or 2 people that don’t agree. Being Prime Minister is like being a Football referee, Half the crowd will agree with you, half wont, all will hate you!
Based on this, I think Margret Thatcher WAS a Great Prime Minister and on the whole Britain would be in a worse place now if it wasn’t for her influence.
Regardless of good and Bad policies, I think her involvement in the end of the Cold War has formed a (not perfect but) stronger safer Europe and Keeps Britain's influence on world affairs (a million times better than her predecessor’s anyway).
Just saying
SECONDLY
I have heard a lot of disrespectful things on Social media and seen images of left wing protesters........
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sp3ctre said:
+1 R.I.P Margaret, you did a dam fine job
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original guvnor said:
More clap trap, the strike was in 1984/5. Closures didnt happen for another 7 years by which time the union was long split, and were not to blame. The strike was about everything that Scargill was trying to say would happen and it did.
Yes he went about it wrongly by denying a ballot. But Thatcher closed the mines, not the union.
Now we have to pay gas prices set by other contries as our reserves have been used up by the powerstations that are no longer coal fired.
I was sat in a lecture (studying Sport and Exercise Science....not a fan of academia :wink: ) in my 2nd year of uni, a nutrition lecture, when the lecturer told a story about how he was advising triathletes on pre-race nutrition etc., when one of the athletes interrupted and asked whether the lecturer had ever competed in a triathlon. He hadn't.
Ultimately, my lecturer told us how this one question made him realise that he couldn't advise or give his opinion on a topic based purely on the theory and that he had to "practice that what he preached", later that year he competed in an iron man.
Whilst this is off topic I think it adds to the "you're younger than 35 how can you comment on MT" argument. Ste wrote a very eloquent post earlier and clearly understands the issues involved with MT's time as PM, but it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't alive during the winter of discontent, he did not experience life in Britain leading up to 1979, nor did he experience life during the 80's. Understanding the theory and discussing the "scars" left from that time clearly puts him well above the ill-informed, ignorant and propaganda fueled opinions of many vagrant "youths", but his opinion, in my opinion, can only ever reside in the shadows of the opinions of those that lived through that period of Britain's history.
I'm 25, and whilst I have my opinion on MT, I have no first hand experience (I can't remember how I perceived her policies during my first 3 years of life) of the effects created by MT's policies. I do not find it patronising to suggest that my opinion is worth less than somebody who actually experienced MT's time in office, I wholeheartedly agree that being of such a young age it is impossible for me to truly appreciate and empathise with the issues at large, I may be able to understand the theory behind the issues and I may even be well placed to discuss the effects of MT's policies 20+ after they were implemented, but for the purpose of this thread, my opinion, in my opinion, is vastly superfluous.
Ultimately, my lecturer told us how this one question made him realise that he couldn't advise or give his opinion on a topic based purely on the theory and that he had to "practice that what he preached", later that year he competed in an iron man.
Whilst this is off topic I think it adds to the "you're younger than 35 how can you comment on MT" argument. Ste wrote a very eloquent post earlier and clearly understands the issues involved with MT's time as PM, but it doesn't change the fact that he wasn't alive during the winter of discontent, he did not experience life in Britain leading up to 1979, nor did he experience life during the 80's. Understanding the theory and discussing the "scars" left from that time clearly puts him well above the ill-informed, ignorant and propaganda fueled opinions of many vagrant "youths", but his opinion, in my opinion, can only ever reside in the shadows of the opinions of those that lived through that period of Britain's history.
I'm 25, and whilst I have my opinion on MT, I have no first hand experience (I can't remember how I perceived her policies during my first 3 years of life) of the effects created by MT's policies. I do not find it patronising to suggest that my opinion is worth less than somebody who actually experienced MT's time in office, I wholeheartedly agree that being of such a young age it is impossible for me to truly appreciate and empathise with the issues at large, I may be able to understand the theory behind the issues and I may even be well placed to discuss the effects of MT's policies 20+ after they were implemented, but for the purpose of this thread, my opinion, in my opinion, is vastly superfluous.
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original guvnor said:
I bet they are glad they subsequently followed Nottingham's newly formed union leader.
He was a fine upstanding bloke:
Neil Greatrex is the former president of the Union of Democratic Mineworkers (UDM) in Great Britain.
The UDM was formed in 1985 after the miners' strike led to a split from the National Union of Mineworkers.
Greatrex appeared in court on 20 May 2011, accused of stealing almost £150,000 from a fund intended to help sick miners. Greatrex abused his position as a trustee of the fund by paying for work on his own home.
On 3 April 2012 the jury found Greatrex guilty of all 14 charges, Greatrex was advised by the judge to expect a custodial sentence. He was jailed for four years.
In December 2012, the Birmingham Crown Court ordered Greatrex to repay over £200,000.
StevenH72 said:
On the flip side I once got told a story of a winning olympic swimming team celebrating by throwing their award winning champion coach into the water. A few moments later they had to jump in to save the coach, as it transpired he couldn't swim.
You don't have to fall off a cliff to know it hurts 8)
I've not for a second said my opinion is worth more or even equal to those who were alive during those years, but last time I checked I wasn't trying to tell them how they should feel, think or react like they often seem to do to me
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There's not much love for Baroness Thatcher in the English language forums here in Germany. http://www.thelocal.de As she was suspect of a powerful unified Germany. And I can understand her reasoning with her concern over a powerful Germany.
There have been two world wars. Guess who started them? She lived through the second war. And had direct testimony of the first through her parents. I must admit though. The Germans have not been nearly as vial as a fair number of British in their words about her.
There have been two world wars. Guess who started them? She lived through the second war. And had direct testimony of the first through her parents. I must admit though. The Germans have not been nearly as vial as a fair number of British in their words about her.
Seriously; times change. Jobs for life is an archaic concept. I've been made redundant twice in 12 years and both times decided to crack on and find another job regardless of what and where that was. As for strikes, try existing in a London where Bob Crow takes leadership in actions that are frankly shameful in a modern world. And I still hear people bleat on in reference to the wage/hours related general strikes of 1926 :lol:
[/quote]More clap trap, the strike was in 1984/5. Closures didnt happen for another 7 years by which time the union was long split, and were not to blame. The strike was about everything that Scargill was trying to say would happen and it did.
Yes he went about it wrongly by denying a ballot. But Thatcher closed the mines, not the union.
Now we have to pay gas prices set by other contries as our reserves have been used up by the powerstations that are no longer coal fired.[/quote]
Quote on BBC last Monday " I'm much more inclined to blame Scargill for the appaling defeat he inflicted on the miners" By Neil Kinnock!!
As for the gas and nuclear power and the decline of coal, the Dash for Gas and Nuclear was started in the 60's when more pits were closed under a Labour Govt than during the Thatcher years without a murmour from the unions. Before she took over, this country went cap in hand to the International Monetary Fund for a bail out to stop us going bankrupt. Yes she wasn't perfect but she did what she had to do at the time. Oh for such leadership from any of the current crop left or right.
Carol The quote re Thatcher supporting apartied is wrong, she stated sanctions would harm the poor more than the government. She helped Pinnochet because he helped us by allowing the SAS to destroy Argentine planes bombing our ships by allowing them access via Chile. Depleted social housing by selling them cheap to the people paying rent in them. Mandela although reformed was convicted of planting a bomb killing many black aficans which sounds like terrorism to me.She didn't cover up Hillsborough the Police did and are now being dealt with and hopefully sent to jail for. She did things wrong but lets get the facts right please.
Somewhat bias reporting I think
Yes he went about it wrongly by denying a ballot. But Thatcher closed the mines, not the union.
Now we have to pay gas prices set by other contries as our reserves have been used up by the powerstations that are no longer coal fired.[/quote]
Quote on BBC last Monday " I'm much more inclined to blame Scargill for the appaling defeat he inflicted on the miners" By Neil Kinnock!!
As for the gas and nuclear power and the decline of coal, the Dash for Gas and Nuclear was started in the 60's when more pits were closed under a Labour Govt than during the Thatcher years without a murmour from the unions. Before she took over, this country went cap in hand to the International Monetary Fund for a bail out to stop us going bankrupt. Yes she wasn't perfect but she did what she had to do at the time. Oh for such leadership from any of the current crop left or right.
Carol The quote re Thatcher supporting apartied is wrong, she stated sanctions would harm the poor more than the government. She helped Pinnochet because he helped us by allowing the SAS to destroy Argentine planes bombing our ships by allowing them access via Chile. Depleted social housing by selling them cheap to the people paying rent in them. Mandela although reformed was convicted of planting a bomb killing many black aficans which sounds like terrorism to me.She didn't cover up Hillsborough the Police did and are now being dealt with and hopefully sent to jail for. She did things wrong but lets get the facts right please.
Somewhat bias reporting I think