Margaret Thatcher

I studied Politics too and I never had a lecturer or teacher who was further to the right than Michael Foot.

I've heard a lot of things thrown at Margaret Thatcher but never that she was in anyway culpable for Hillsborough. I suppose Heysel was her fault as well was it?
 
Devilsadvocate said:
original guvnor said:
I live in coal-mining community and I must admit I have a wry smile when I hear ex-miners talk about how she "destroyed communities and lives".
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That's exactly what she did, and it was the beginning of why we have the Country we have now, where people don't look out for each other.
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Claptrap. They destroyed themselves. They wouldn't hold a secret ballot which is why the Notts miners wouldn't strike. Perhaps there might have been a different outcome if the NUM had been interested in democracy. They followed a leader (Scargill) who thought he could carry on like Gormley did. They got what was coming to them.
 
original guvnor said:
I studied Politics too and I never had a lecturer or teacher who was further to the right than Michael Foot.

I've heard a lot of things thrown at Margaret Thatcher but never that she was in anyway culpable for Hillsborough. I suppose Heysel was her fault as well was it?
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I think the Hillsborough/Thatcher thing isn't about blaming her for what happened rather than the cover up by the Tory government and police after.
 
Carol M said:
original guvnor said:
I studied Politics too and I never had a lecturer or teacher who was further to the right than Michael Foot.

I've heard a lot of things thrown at Margaret Thatcher but never that she was in anyway culpable for Hillsborough. I suppose Heysel was her fault as well was it?
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I think the Hillsborough/Thatcher thing isn't about blaming her for what happened rather than the cover up by the Tory government and police after.
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What government cover up?
 
Carol M said:
"If You do not want People to Say Bad things about you when you Die, Do Not do Bad things to People when you are Alive.
People Advice There."

Jon Pigeon, Twitter.
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A saying that doesn't really apply to Mrs T.

She made the opportunities for people to make it in life i.e. those who got off their backsides, and for those that wouldn't we're left behind, something today's Govt should note instead of dishing out benefits and we all know the results of that!

Tim.
 
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/hillsborough-23-years-on-finally-an-apology-for-the-coverup-8130456.html

Read that, easier than me typing it out!
 
Amazing woman in my opinion but whatever your views it has to be remembered that she has a family that's in mourning for her. Nobody's family should suffer the insults that the demonstrators have burdened them with at a time of loss.
 
Oh and the whole funeral cost moaning thing makes my blood boil too.

Here is a woman who became Britain's first female PM, who served as an MP for 31 years I think and 11 years as Prime Minister. In my opinion if you get to hold the office of PM you should get a ceremonial funeral when you croak. It's one of the perks of having to put up with so many arseholes whilst you're in office. Her family are covering some of the cost of the funeral (could be £10 or it could be a coupe of mill for all we know) and she was extremely thrifty whilst in No10 Downing Street.

Joey Barton has been moaning about that on Twatter. Well I'd rather pay £8m for her funeral than pay £500 a week to keep his racist, murdering brother in prison on a life sentence.
 
Carol M said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/hillsborough-23-years-on-finally-an-apology-for-the-coverup-8130456.html

Read that, easier than me typing it out!
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I'm sorry Carol but that isn't a Tory government cover-up. It alleges one MP (who wasn't holding a ministerial position) had a conversation with the South Yorkshire police. It also suggests Labour did nothing when they had the opportunity too.

It's got nothing to do with Mrs Thatcher. Pin the blame on her for lots of things but you can't blame her for that.
 
I heard on the news today that we've had £billions back in rebates that she organised, the cost of her funeral has been covered many times over IMO

I was an apprentice miner from 1981-85 so was forced out on strike in 1984, I didn't vote for it, I went back to work in the Autumn and was made redundant the following year, I invested the money with my dad in a snooker club and never looked back.
 
original guvnor said:
Carol M said:
http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/hillsborough-23-years-on-finally-an-apology-for-the-coverup-8130456.html

Read that, easier than me typing it out!
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I'm sorry Carol but that isn't a Tory government cover-up. It alleges one MP (who wasn't holding a ministerial position) had a conversation with the South Yorkshire police. It also suggests Labour did nothing when they had the opportunity too.

It's got nothing to do with Mrs Thatcher. Pin the blame on her for lots of things but you can't blame her for that.
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I'm not saying this is my opinion, i dont know either way. I was just explaining what Ste meant about Hillsborough.
We'll never know the truth about what goes on behind the doors of Downing Street, whoever is PM and what's 'covered up' so we can't really say for sure what went on or who did what.
 
Blimey this thread has certainly polorised opinion. Good hours read that was.

I posted up the wicked witch is dead comment, as a bit of a joke. I'm actualy one of Thatchers children. Voted her into office and very happy that I did, after the years, of power cuts rubbish on the streets and the three day week, that preceeded her first govenrment. Very happy to read that so many people hold such storong views about her Premiership. Demonstrates that she made a difference to the world we live in today. There were mistakes but, compared to what came before, I belive the vast majority of people, in this fine country, are better of today, for her being around for 87 years.

RIP Margret Thatcher. :thumbsup:
 
Conversations about religion and politics should be actively encouraged, it is the intolerance of anothers view that should be shunned.

Better understanding and tolerance of others brings the reward of enlightenment and contentment, however at the detriment of passion

The problem with Mrs Thatcher, is that she brings out the passion, be it hate or love
 
strugglinauthor said:
The papers love to focus on the negative...it's how they ply their trade. What makes me laugh are all the people berating her who in fact aren't old enough to even remember her being in power. They just listen to their parents/friends and regurgitate what they say.

Maybe there are people out there who have a just cause for complaint about her policies but I suspect an equal number simply didn't like the tough medicine she had to dish out to a lethargic and union-ruled Britain.

Whatever peoples' views of her, I thought how repulsive it was to see people celebrating her death. I can think of people who I might say have done me wrong, but I'd be a pretty poor excuse for a human being if I celebrated them dying.

This is all a bit serious, isn't it? On a happier note I managed to drop the roof today. :)
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