sp3ctre said:
I remember that. Wasn't it "Thatcher, Thatcher, milk snatcher?"
Margaret Thatcher
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I remember that. Wasn't it "Thatcher, Thatcher, milk snatcher?"
powerontap said:
It's hard to say accurately. She did things both great and dumb. See SARS post above and add in the wholesale sell off of social housing at far below the market rate that has left this country with a problem even today in both social and private housing.
On the plus side an inspirational leader who stuck to her guns and ignored the press, unlike the pr focused toads we have today.
Interestingly, on the normally very sensible radio 4 "Today" program yesterday, someone stated that GDP was better before she came to power. That wasn't challenged and I've not had a chance to validate it (I'm interested in whether it's true or not)
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Many coal mines that were closed were making a profit. Also they were receiving no investment unlike the nuclear power industry.
The country was buying coal from Poland at twice the price so Thatcher could defeat a union that removed Ted Heath from power.
That was her only short-sighted reason for being hell bent on defeating them.
As it was Scargill managed the division and downfall all by himself, and the pits closed 7 years after the strike.
Scargill predicted 30 years of gas reserves for this country.
He was wrong. It ran out years ago.
We are all paying for the rising power costs as coal fired power stations have now converted to gas.
How much will we then have to pay to open coal mines in the future as we sit on a wealth of fuel beneath us.
Don't suppose there would be any other opinions from a forum made up of 20-something BMW owners though as said previously...
The country was buying coal from Poland at twice the price so Thatcher could defeat a union that removed Ted Heath from power.
That was her only short-sighted reason for being hell bent on defeating them.
As it was Scargill managed the division and downfall all by himself, and the pits closed 7 years after the strike.
Scargill predicted 30 years of gas reserves for this country.
He was wrong. It ran out years ago.
We are all paying for the rising power costs as coal fired power stations have now converted to gas.
How much will we then have to pay to open coal mines in the future as we sit on a wealth of fuel beneath us.
Don't suppose there would be any other opinions from a forum made up of 20-something BMW owners though as said previously...
My Facebook is full of anti thatcher and hardly any of them are over 40. I'de guess the majority were probably 12 when she was in power, hardly old enough to really form much of an opinion of her. I daren't say a good word about her on there!!!
For the lefties she's a poster girl for right wing. Now a centre of target for there keyboard campaigns. I can see steam coming out of a lot of people's ears trying to argue there thatcher points online!!
not worth the effort, she's dead already :roll:
For the lefties she's a poster girl for right wing. Now a centre of target for there keyboard campaigns. I can see steam coming out of a lot of people's ears trying to argue there thatcher points online!!
not worth the effort, she's dead already :roll:Ah go on then i'll play.
I think it's incredibly patronising and self-centered to suggest that young people can't comment on her because they weren't around when she was in power. Some of us have actually studied politics to great depth (got 95% on my A-Level Politics course at college, check me out!). Yes there are a number of people out there who don't truly understand who she was or what she was about, but for those of us who do I think it speaks great volumes about just how big her impact on this country was that we still discuss and get animated and emotional about her today.
In terms of background I'm fairly socialist and also from a northern working class town so you may think skewed in that way, but my birthplace and hometown of Barrow, somewhere I'm very proud to come from, is the manufacturing base of Trident, so conflict of interests there to some extent.
For me, what Sars said sums my feelings up well:
Yes she came in and did alot that had to be done, thats undoubted. But Kinnock would have done alot of good that had to be done amongst all his failings too. She single handedly ripped the heart and soul out of northern working class towns through her vendetta against the poor. Yes many coal mines were loss making. But a sensible and responsible government doesn't seek to just pull the plug and leave its people in chaos. Surely the correct answer would have been to invest in the coalmines to bring them into modern day, and into a profit. But then that goes against everything she stood for of wanting everything in the hands of a select private few who can then seek to make money and exploit wealth from it. At the very least subsidise the loss-making coal stations while preparing for the transition through the creation of other jobs, it's the least the working classes deserved for their lives of back-breaking servitude while the upper classes sat on their arses not doing much.
I think the fact she is so divisive pretty much sums up the damage she did to this country. She garners support from alot of people who did well under her, alot of people who didn't suffer what she did to the lower echelons of society (what society?). It's a strong indictment of how she brought this country to think "She did alright by me, so f**k the rest of them" and that I think is something we as a country will never fully get away from. It's all well and good to sit there and criticise lazy benefit scroungers for sitting on their arses, or labour for introducing the benefits culture, but it was her who taught the country to look after number 1 and get what you can however you can.
I'll never actively jump around the room celebrating the death of an old lady. But then i'm drawn to think about the number of people who never got the chance to die peacefully as an old lady (she was in the ritz for f**k sake, sums her up nicely). I'll treat her with the same reverence and courtesy with which she treat the 96 football fans who perished in Hillsborough, betrayed by her police force through her own doing and smeared and dismissed with all the care you might administer to a dead rat you found in your garden. Whatever you think of fiscal conservatism, privatisation of industry or poll tax, the actions of her government before, during and most importantly after that faitfull day will never die and go with her memory good or bad in alot of peoples minds.
So yeah, that's the brief thoughts of a 21 year old northern lad from a working class town who I'm sure numerous posters don't feel should have an opinion on such things (some have even posted words to that effect previously). No doubt you'll pick through my arguements on the few mistakes or misunderstandings i've made, but please don't patronise me to the fact that I shouldn't have an opinion and am only saying what i've heard down the working mens club.
Now back to the Z
I think it's incredibly patronising and self-centered to suggest that young people can't comment on her because they weren't around when she was in power. Some of us have actually studied politics to great depth (got 95% on my A-Level Politics course at college, check me out!). Yes there are a number of people out there who don't truly understand who she was or what she was about, but for those of us who do I think it speaks great volumes about just how big her impact on this country was that we still discuss and get animated and emotional about her today.
In terms of background I'm fairly socialist and also from a northern working class town so you may think skewed in that way, but my birthplace and hometown of Barrow, somewhere I'm very proud to come from, is the manufacturing base of Trident, so conflict of interests there to some extent.
For me, what Sars said sums my feelings up well:
Yes she came in and did alot that had to be done, thats undoubted. But Kinnock would have done alot of good that had to be done amongst all his failings too. She single handedly ripped the heart and soul out of northern working class towns through her vendetta against the poor. Yes many coal mines were loss making. But a sensible and responsible government doesn't seek to just pull the plug and leave its people in chaos. Surely the correct answer would have been to invest in the coalmines to bring them into modern day, and into a profit. But then that goes against everything she stood for of wanting everything in the hands of a select private few who can then seek to make money and exploit wealth from it. At the very least subsidise the loss-making coal stations while preparing for the transition through the creation of other jobs, it's the least the working classes deserved for their lives of back-breaking servitude while the upper classes sat on their arses not doing much.
I think the fact she is so divisive pretty much sums up the damage she did to this country. She garners support from alot of people who did well under her, alot of people who didn't suffer what she did to the lower echelons of society (what society?). It's a strong indictment of how she brought this country to think "She did alright by me, so f**k the rest of them" and that I think is something we as a country will never fully get away from. It's all well and good to sit there and criticise lazy benefit scroungers for sitting on their arses, or labour for introducing the benefits culture, but it was her who taught the country to look after number 1 and get what you can however you can.
I'll never actively jump around the room celebrating the death of an old lady. But then i'm drawn to think about the number of people who never got the chance to die peacefully as an old lady (she was in the ritz for f**k sake, sums her up nicely). I'll treat her with the same reverence and courtesy with which she treat the 96 football fans who perished in Hillsborough, betrayed by her police force through her own doing and smeared and dismissed with all the care you might administer to a dead rat you found in your garden. Whatever you think of fiscal conservatism, privatisation of industry or poll tax, the actions of her government before, during and most importantly after that faitfull day will never die and go with her memory good or bad in alot of peoples minds.
So yeah, that's the brief thoughts of a 21 year old northern lad from a working class town who I'm sure numerous posters don't feel should have an opinion on such things (some have even posted words to that effect previously). No doubt you'll pick through my arguements on the few mistakes or misunderstandings i've made, but please don't patronise me to the fact that I shouldn't have an opinion and am only saying what i've heard down the working mens club.
Now back to the Z
Good Lord, a 21yr old that can string a cohesive sentence together 
Well written (regardless of whether or not people agree with you) 
Well written (regardless of whether or not people agree with you)
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+1 that man
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+2 that man
Ste said:Ah go on then i'll play.
I think it's incredibly patronising and self-centered to suggest that young people can't comment on her because they weren't around when she was in power. Some of us have actually studied politics to great depth (got 95% on my A-Level Politics course at college, check me out!). Yes there are a number of people out there who don't truly understand who she was or what she was about, but for those of us who do I think it speaks great volumes about just how big her impact on this country was that we still discuss and get animated and emotional about her today.
In terms of background I'm fairly socialist and also from a northern working class town so you may think skewed in that way, but my birthplace and hometown of Barrow, somewhere I'm very proud to come from, is the manufacturing base of Trident, so conflict of interests there to some extent.
For me, what Sars said sums my feelings up well:
Yes she came in and did alot that had to be done, thats undoubted. But Kinnock would have done alot of good that had to be done amongst all his failings too. She single handedly ripped the heart and soul out of northern working class towns through her vendetta against the poor. Yes many coal mines were loss making. But a sensible and responsible government doesn't seek to just pull the plug and leave its people in chaos. Surely the correct answer would have been to invest in the coalmines to bring them into modern day, and into a profit. But then that goes against everything she stood for of wanting everything in the hands of a select private few who can then seek to make money and exploit wealth from it. At the very least subsidise the loss-making coal stations while preparing for the transition through the creation of other jobs, it's the least the working classes deserved for their lives of back-breaking servitude while the upper classes sat on their arses not doing much.
I think the fact she is so divisive pretty much sums up the damage she did to this country. She garners support from alot of people who did well under her, alot of people who didn't suffer what she did to the lower echelons of society (what society?). It's a strong indictment of how she brought this country to think "She did alright by me, so f**k the rest of them" and that I think is something we as a country will never fully get away from. It's all well and good to sit there and criticise lazy benefit scroungers for sitting on their arses, or labour for introducing the benefits culture, but it was her who taught the country to look after number 1 and get what you can however you can.
I'll never actively jump around the room celebrating the death of an old lady. But then i'm drawn to think about the number of people who never got the chance to die peacefully as an old lady (she was in the ritz for f**k sake, sums her up nicely). I'll treat her with the same reverence and courtesy with which she treat the 96 football fans who perished in Hillsborough, betrayed by her police force through her own doing and smeared and dismissed with all the care you might administer to a dead rat you found in your garden. Whatever you think of fiscal conservatism, privatisation of industry or poll tax, the actions of her government before, during and most importantly after that faitfull day will never die and go with her memory good or bad in alot of peoples minds.
So yeah, that's the brief thoughts of a 21 year old northern lad from a working class town who I'm sure numerous posters don't feel should have an opinion on such things (some have even posted words to that effect previously). No doubt you'll pick through my arguements on the few mistakes or misunderstandings i've made, but please don't patronise me to the fact that I shouldn't have an opinion and am only saying what i've heard down the working mens club.
Now back to the Z
I vote you the new Youth Crime Commissioner
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Of course we can have opinions about people who ruled before we were born. I'm sure we all have strong opinions about Hitler and Churchill.
What is a alarming is that in place of reasoned argument people are using the words "cow", "witch" "bitch" (and worse) to describe a dead woman. All these words are anti female derogatory terms.
What is a alarming is that in place of reasoned argument people are using the words "cow", "witch" "bitch" (and worse) to describe a dead woman. All these words are anti female derogatory terms.
Oh and if you're looking for someone to waste money on a big extravagant funeral on, what about Sir Robert Edwards who's selfless work brought life and hope to millions and died the same day as thatcher. Much more of a worthy cause don't ya think?
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Not fussed about the £8m more about the road closures wrecking journey to work
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original guvnor said:
That's exactly what she did, and it was the beginning of why we have the Country we have now, where people don't look out for each other.
Why should those people be expected to mourn or pay respect to a person they hate.
Did you all do that when Gaddaffi and Hussein went, they too were someones parents.
Billy Bragg, a true socialist and great entertainer who I saw in 97 in Sheffield. From the man himself "Raising a glass to the death of an infirm old lady changes none of this. The only real antidote to cynicism is activism. Don't celebrate - organise!"
I was a miner, I was a docker, I was a railwayman between the wars
I raised a family, in times of austerity, with sweat at the foundry between the wars
I paid the union, then as times got harder, I looked to the government to help the working man
But they brought prosperity down at the armoury, we're arming for peace, see boys, between the wars
I kept the faith and I kept voting, not for the iron fist but for the helping hand
For theirs is a land with a wall around it and mine is a faith in my fellow man
Theirs is a land of hope and glory, mine is the greenfield and the factory floor
Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers and mine is the peace we knew between the wars
Call up the craftsman, bring me the draughtsman, build me a path from cradle to grave
And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage
Go find the young men, never to fight again, bring up the banners from the days gone by
Sweet moderation, heart of this nation, desert us not we are between the wars...
I was a miner, I was a docker, I was a railwayman between the wars
I raised a family, in times of austerity, with sweat at the foundry between the wars
I paid the union, then as times got harder, I looked to the government to help the working man
But they brought prosperity down at the armoury, we're arming for peace, see boys, between the wars
I kept the faith and I kept voting, not for the iron fist but for the helping hand
For theirs is a land with a wall around it and mine is a faith in my fellow man
Theirs is a land of hope and glory, mine is the greenfield and the factory floor
Theirs are the skies all dark with bombers and mine is the peace we knew between the wars
Call up the craftsman, bring me the draughtsman, build me a path from cradle to grave
And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage
Go find the young men, never to fight again, bring up the banners from the days gone by
Sweet moderation, heart of this nation, desert us not we are between the wars...