Anyone else there with a car configured like mine, BMW won't tell me :(

[willgill]

This is just weird now.

You have a fairly average roadster, who cares if it has 'extended ivory leather' it also has puke wood brown trim, so hopefully they only made one of them.

 

[Ewazix]

I'm all for loving your choice of car and admire your enthusiasm, but do you seriously believe that a 'rare' combo of interior, box, engine and paint makes an e89 "collectable"? Who's collecting 'rare' e89 combo's? It's all sounding deluded, sorry :|

....... and remember when it comes to purchasers specifying cars unless it's a limited edition rare actually = unpopular

 

[GuidoK]

Do you know how many crimson red E89s with the exclusive extended Ivory leather interior and the N54 motor and a manual gearbox were produced?

Yes of course he knows....
He's giving all this information but deliberately withholding the one thing you've asked for 10 times over in this and the other thread

And to make matters worse, you've had the same conversation with the same guy almost a year ago on Zpost:
http://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256822&page=3
Back then he probably also deliberately withheld that info.

Whats next?
Of course he's german and there's also a big german Z forum where he has the same username.
So you've got exactly one year to learn german and have this conversation all over again on zroadster.com with him.
Probably in this thread:
http://www.zroadster.com/forum/index.php?threads/e89-zulassungszahlen-produktionszahlen-motoren-farben-und-designpakethistorie.106884/#post-2072343







.....putting my crystal ball back in the closet....

 

[Valor1]

I'm all for loving your choice of car and admire your enthusiasm, but do you seriously believe that a 'rare' combo of interior, box, engine and paint makes an e89 "collectable"? Who's collecting 'rare' e89 combo's? It's all sounding deluded, sorry :|

....... and remember when it comes to purchasers specifying cars unless it's a limited edition rare actually = unpopular

I appreciate your opinion. Are you a collector? Do you realize how many cars were not "popular" in their day but later went on to become collectible? Did you know for many years nobody wanted those old red cars, you know, like an old 250 Ferrari GTO. There was a time when you could barely give a Tucker away and you could buy a 275 four cam Ferrari for $6k. You know what they sell for today?

I am a collector and there are certain cars that have intrinsic value.

Now, back on track.....I am not saying this particular car of mine will be collectible. What I am saying is I rather like having things not so many other people have. Consequently I am lucky enough to have certain vehicles that no one else on the planet has or where they are one of a very rare few.

So, my point here is not to say this is going to be a car in my collection of collectibles. Rather, I simply want to know how many cars like mine were produced. Over the last year or so I've seen zero such cars either in person or offered for sale.

While I appreciate people's opinions, what I'm really hoping to find out here is something specific....i.e., a production number.

 

[Fazerfahrer]

Valor1, be sure if I would have these special figures I would share it with you to make you happy.

All these details I mentioned above are based on informations various users received on different requests directly from BMW customer service. Therefore I do not understand why they do not support your request as well.

 

[Fazerfahrer]

Do you know how many crimson red E89s with the exclusive extended Ivory leather interior and the N54 motor and a manual gearbox were produced?

Yes of course he knows....
He's giving all this information but deliberately withholding the one thing you've asked for 10 times over in this and the other thread

And to make matters worse, you've had the same conversation with the same guy almost a year ago on Zpost:
http://e89.zpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=256822&page=3
Back then he probably also deliberately withheld that info.

Whats next?
Of course he's german and there's also a big german Z forum where he has the same username.
So you've got exactly one year to learn german and have this conversation all over again on zroadster.com with him.
Probably in this thread:
http://www.zroadster.com/forum/index.php?threads/e89-zulassungszahlen-produktionszahlen-motoren-farben-und-designpakethistorie.106884/#post-2072343







.....putting my crystal ball back in the closet....

Thanks for highlighting this, as you can imagine I did not have had that in mind.

 

[Valor1]

Be sure if I would have these special figures I would share it with you to make you happy.

All these details I mentioned above are based on informations various users received on different requests directly from BMW customer service. Therefore I do not understand why they do not support your request as well.

The problem is BMW North America is not supportive the way BMW is in Europe or at least Germany.

Here is the response I got from BMW in Germany, and while they appear to be helpful, BMW NA has not been.

"Thank you for your e-mail. The BMW Kundenbetreuung can only provide support for matters concerning the German market. Your request falls into the responsibility of our colleagues of the customer service in the United States of America. We have forwarded your e-mail to the responsible department. Please be patient until your request is processed."

Problem is, they forward it to BMW Customer Service here in the USA and they have failed to provide any information instead saying they don't provide it. Interesting, shows BMW in its home market is more customer responsive.

 

[Ewazix]

I'm all for loving your choice of car and admire your enthusiasm, but do you seriously believe that a 'rare' combo of interior, box, engine and paint makes an e89 "collectable"? Who's collecting 'rare' e89 combo's? It's all sounding deluded, sorry :|

....... and remember when it comes to purchasers specifying cars unless it's a limited edition rare actually = unpopular

I appreciate your opinion. Are you a collector? Do you realize how many cars were not "popular" in their day but later went on to become collectible? Did you know for many years nobody wanted those old red cars, you know, like an old 250 Ferrari GTO. There was a time when you could barely give a Tucker away and you could buy a 275 four cam Ferrari for $6k. You know what they sell for today?

I am a collector and there are certain cars that have intrinsic value.

Now, back on track.....I am not saying this particular car of mine will be collectible. What I am saying is I rather like having things not so many other people have. Consequently I am lucky enough to have certain vehicles that no one else on the planet has or where they are one of a very rare few. ..............

Such humility :lol:

BTW someone's already asked, but could you post a pic of your collection, it's a shame not to share it and a lot of members might enjoy (and be impressed of course so a win-win for you :wink: )

 

[jabber]

Wow just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread

 

[Nictrix]

Wow just wasted 10 minutes of my life reading this thread

Just wait till you find the other one :lol:

 

[ferry]

I appreciate your opinion. Are you a collector? Do you realize how many cars were not "popular" in their day but later went on to become collectible? Did you know for many years nobody wanted those old red cars, you know, like an old 250 Ferrari GTO. There was a time when you could barely give a Tucker away and you could buy a 275 four cam Ferrari for $6k. You know what they sell for today?

I am a collector and there are certain cars that have intrinsic value.

It's a Z4, not a Zonda. Get over yourself. Comparing it to a 250 GTO (of which there are 39, just to sate your desire for production numbers) is at best misguided.

There are so many millions of spec combinations that many people could sit and wait months for another car of the exact same spec to come up. This information you seek may have a small impact on the value of your vehicle but the market determines what is collectable.

For what it's worth, I don't see the E89 assuming any kind of classic status. And if it were to do so it wouldn't be for about 20 years. (Will cars have an inherent value in 20 years time when the legislative bodies are wound up, taxation is horrid and the sweet smelling fossil fuel isn't flowing from the refinery?). Until then, you're stuck in the same maelstrom of depreciation as everyone else.

To my mind a collector would have put those dollars towards a Z8, or perhaps jumped in on an early E85 or an E86 M. Maybe you've got all those already. Of all the BMW one could collect, an E89 isn't anywhere near the top of the list right now.

 

[Valor1]

I appreciate your opinion. Are you a collector? Do you realize how many cars were not "popular" in their day but later went on to become collectible? Did you know for many years nobody wanted those old red cars, you know, like an old 250 Ferrari GTO. There was a time when you could barely give a Tucker away and you could buy a 275 four cam Ferrari for $6k. You know what they sell for today?

I am a collector and there are certain cars that have intrinsic value.

It's a Z4, not a Zonda. Get over yourself. Comparing it to a 250 GTO (of which there are 39, just to sate your desire for production numbers) is at best misguided.

There are so many millions of spec combinations that many people could sit and wait months for another car of the exact same spec to come up. This information you seek may have a small impact on the value of your vehicle but the market determines what is collectable.

For what it's worth, I don't see the E89 assuming any kind of classic status. And if it were to do so it wouldn't be for about 20 years. (Will cars have an inherent value in 20 years time when the legislative bodies are wound up, taxation is horrid and the sweet smelling fossil fuel isn't flowing from the refinery?). Until then, you're stuck in the same maelstrom of depreciation as everyone else.

To my mind a collector would have put those dollars towards a Z8, or perhaps jumped in on an early E85 or an E86 M. Maybe you've got all those already. Of all the BMW one could collect, an E89 isn't anywhere near the top of the list right now.

First, what's frustrating here is I did not start this post as a "collector" post. I just wanted to know how rare or not my car is configuration-wise. That everyone has their panties in a pinch over this is ridiculous. Does go to show there really is a huge difference between different owner groups and from my limited experience here, it would Ferrari and Porsche owners are very different from BMW owners.

Thank you for the reference to the GTO and the Zhonda. Interestingly, even in that limited world people will note the rarity of their car, such as the green GTO, for example. I know for a fact at Pagani color selection is a very big deal as owners like to have their own unique Pagani.

No, I am not about to post my private collection here and I guess you missed the post regarding the Z8 S2 and Magic Violet Z1.

Bottom line is I simply sought information concerning my car's configuration. Guess that is too much to ask. Reminds me of what a vintage Porsche dealer once said to me as the difference between a person who buys a Porsche and a person who buys a BMW.

 

[Valor1]

Valor1, be sure if I would have these special figures I would share it with you to make you happy.

All these details I mentioned above are based on informations various users received on different requests directly from BMW customer service. Therefore I do not understand why they do not support your request as well.

BMW North America simply is not supportive the way BMW is in Germany. This is the response after asking a second time for the information:

Your BMW Correspondence [1-9591771058]

Thank you for writing to BMW of North America, LLC. Congratulations on the purchase of your BMW Z4! This is to confirm our conversation on 7/12/2017.

We appreciate your interest in acquiring sales and production information. Unfortunately, however, our policy does not permit us to release this data.

We hope you stay in touch with us via our websites, www.bmwusa.com and www.bmwusanews.com, for the latest BMW news and product information.

For your convenience, the BMW Customer Relations and Services Department is available Monday through Thursday from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. ET and Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. ET. You can reach us at 1-800-831-1117.

Sincerely,

Kayla S.
Customer Relations and Services
Escalations - Supervisor

 

[GuidoK]

.... and Porsche owners are very different from BMW owners.

Yes, of course porsche owners are very different from bmw owners. Certainly if you take in mind that loads of people here own both or owned both, switching forth and back.....

Guess that is too much to ask.

Its not too much to ask but we dont know and -apparantly- a lot dont care.
If you put your back into it and start punching in vin numbers systematically in the vin decoder eventually you'll find out exactly how much of every car is made....You really seem to want to know, so that'll make it worth the efford. Sadly there's no such thing as a free lunch here.

Also, if you're not planning to post pictures of your collection as someone asked, but apparantly do require info from us, what kind of signal do you think you're emitting here?

 

[Valor1]

.... and Porsche owners are very different from BMW owners.

Yes, of course porsche owners are very different from bmw owners. Certainly if you take in mind that loads of people here own both or owned both, switching forth and back.....

Guess that is too much to ask.

Its not too much to ask but we dont know and -apparantly- a lot dont care.
If you put your back into it and start punching in vin numbers systematically in the vin decoder eventually you'll find out exactly how much of every car is made....You really seem to want to know, so that'll make it worth the efford. Sadly there's no such thing as a free lunch here.

Yes, you're right. But not sure how the VIN number helps. VIN tells a bunch of things but color as far as I understand the 17 digits is not one of them.

Also, I should correct myself. Porsche owners today are not the same as they were in the past either. With the advent of leasing and automatic gearboxes, everyone including their grandmother can now drive any of these cars. There was a time when driving a "sports car" said something about the owner. Not so today. Here in LA Porsches are a dime a dozen now and most all of them are automatics. Up and until and including the 993 no self-respecting Porsche enthusiast would buy a Tiptronic car with four speed auto box when you could have a sweet shifting six speed manual. But the world has changed. Now cars are made almost idiot proof thanks to nanny driver systems. Now a Carrera GT.....now that's a car. Any car that can kill you, as Jay Leno said, a car that demands respect and skill, now that's a great car.

A properly tuned N54 manual gearbox Z4 can be that sort of car, to a degree, as well. 500hp in a little two seat roadster can be epic and dangerous........good stuff.

Found the exterior color here......but then realized the interior shots are actually not from the red car.

http://www.bimmertoday.de/2009/05/07/weitere-tolle-bilder-vom-bmw-z4-e89-in-karmesinrot/

 

[GuidoK]

Yes, you're right. But not sure how the VIN number helps. VIN tells a bunch of things but color as far as I understand the 17 digits is not one of them.

The last 7 digits of the vin tell everything about the car.
What colour, what interior, what engine, what gearbox what hifi system, what satnav, what electrics, what trim etc etc.
With your posted vin I know for instance you have satnav professional and a heated steering wheel (amongst others)
Its in the BMW vin database. Its only not reverse engineered (not searchable), so only putting in the vin will give this data.
Nobody took the efford to hack that database yet (afaik). So hire an 17 year old asian kid thats a guru in SQL.... :lol:
There are dozens of sites that can decode your vin:
https://www.google.nl/search?q=bmw+vin+decoder
Probably all linking to the same database input. So sadly none is reverse searchable.
So its either punching in all vin codes (for the e89 they're luckily mostly grouped, but USA is a different group than ECE), or hire that 17 year old asian hacker kid....

There was a time when driving a "sports car" said something about the owner.

You're talking about an era that porsche only made sportscars :lol: Thats pre 2002 so at least 15 years ago
Now they're mainly (in numbers) a VAG platform rebrander.

 

[ferry]

I appreciate your opinion. Are you a collector? Do you realize how many cars were not "popular" in their day but later went on to become collectible? Did you know for many years nobody wanted those old red cars, you know, like an old 250 Ferrari GTO. There was a time when you could barely give a Tucker away and you could buy a 275 four cam Ferrari for $6k. You know what they sell for today?

I am a collector and there are certain cars that have intrinsic value.

It's a Z4, not a Zonda. Get over yourself. Comparing it to a 250 GTO (of which there are 39, just to sate your desire for production numbers) is at best misguided.

There are so many millions of spec combinations that many people could sit and wait months for another car of the exact same spec to come up. This information you seek may have a small impact on the value of your vehicle but the market determines what is collectable.

For what it's worth, I don't see the E89 assuming any kind of classic status. And if it were to do so it wouldn't be for about 20 years. (Will cars have an inherent value in 20 years time when the legislative bodies are wound up, taxation is horrid and the sweet smelling fossil fuel isn't flowing from the refinery?). Until then, you're stuck in the same maelstrom of depreciation as everyone else.

To my mind a collector would have put those dollars towards a Z8, or perhaps jumped in on an early E85 or an E86 M. Maybe you've got all those already. Of all the BMW one could collect, an E89 isn't anywhere near the top of the list right now.

First, what's frustrating here is I did not start this post as a "collector" post. I just wanted to know how rare or not my car is configuration-wise. That everyone has their panties in a pinch over this is ridiculous. Does go to show there really is a huge difference between different owner groups and from my limited experience here, it would Ferrari and Porsche owners are very different from BMW owners.

Thank you for the reference to the GTO and the Zhonda. Interestingly, even in that limited world people will note the rarity of their car, such as the green GTO, for example. I know for a fact at Pagani color selection is a very big deal as owners like to have their own unique Pagani.

No, I am not about to post my private collection here and I guess you missed the post regarding the Z8 S2 and Magic Violet Z1.

Bottom line is I simply sought information concerning my car's configuration. Guess that is too much to ask. Reminds me of what a vintage Porsche dealer once said to me as the difference between a person who buys a Porsche and a person who buys a BMW.

I think you started off hoping to establish the individuality of your car and it evolved into "collector" references.

Interesting reference to owners of other marques which I assume you're working on the basis that I, or no-one else here, has experiences of those spheres. Lets just say my experiences haven't been wholly positive. Your assumption with respect to Porsche ownership is correct, which brings me to the difference between BMW and Porsche drivers I'll come back to later.

In terms of the 250 GTO and Zonda. You've kind of made my point. You of course know that no two GTOs are the same. I doubt many Zondas are, either.

In terms of your collection. Well done. More things of that ilk must be the way forward.

I think I know the differences between Porsche and BMW buyers. That being that BMW drivers don't drive around in constant fear of when their poorly engineered engine is going to expire. You see, I'd have a Porsche if everything post air-cooled, non Mezger, weren't made of cheese and biscuits. I don't need the arse-ache. I also don't like turbos which kinda makes it a GT3 or nothing gig. I've looked at several but never been taken enough to buy one and bought other things. Maybe that will change but as I prefer a manual 'box we're really into the realms of 996 or 997 GT3. Or a 991R (where R is for rocking horse s**t).

I'm new here, but looking down at BMW owners as being somehow inferior to Porsche owners is going to help your cause no end.

 

[ferry]

Yes, you're right. But not sure how the VIN number helps. VIN tells a bunch of things but color as far as I understand the 17 digits is not one of them.

The last 7 digits of the vin tell everything about the car.
What colour, what interior, what engine, what gearbox what hifi system, what satnav, what electrics, what trim etc etc.
With your posted vin I know for instance you have satnav professional and a heated steering wheel (amongst others)
Its in the BMW vin database. Its only not reverse engineered (not searchable), so only putting in the vin will give this data.
Nobody took the efford to hack that database yet (afaik). So hire an 17 year old asian kid thats a guru in SQL.... :lol:

Agreed. Establishing the range of chassis VINs on E89 shouldn't be that difficult. Then pump all of them into a VIN decoder and output the findings into a suitable format which allows searches and comparisons.

Then find out that that there are a heap of cars which of the 11 billion (made that up) potential spec combinations can be seen to be unique.

Then sit back and enjoy tea and medals.

 

[slick]

Valor1, be sure if I would have these special figures I would share it with you to make you happy.

All these details I mentioned above are based on informations various users received on different requests directly from BMW customer service. Therefore I do not understand why they do not support your request as well.

BMW North America simply is not supportive the way BMW is in Germany. This is the response after asking a second time for the information:

Your BMW Correspondence [1-9591771058]

Thank you for writing to BMW of North America, LLC. Congratulations on the purchase of your BMW Z4! This is to confirm our conversation on 7/12/2017.

We appreciate your interest in acquiring sales and production information. Unfortunately, however, our policy does not permit us to release this data.

We hope you stay in touch with us via our websites, www.bmwusa.com and www.bmwusanews.com, for the latest BMW news and product information.

For your convenience, the BMW Customer Relations and Services Department is available Monday through Thursday from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. ET and Friday from 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. ET. You can reach us at 1-800-831-1117.

Sincerely,

Kayla S.
Customer Relations and Services
Escalations - Supervisor

Sir........I find you very irritateing

 

[Nictrix]

I have a car with an option ticked that I have not seen on another one since I bought mine, even though off and on I look around at ones for sale.
It is also in an individual colour and have not seen another like it.
I am in no doubt that there will be many others with this option ticked and others in the same colour, probably some out there with the colour and the option ticked just that I have not seen. This does not mean it is rare enough to worry about and I am not going to lose sleep over thinking if someone has the same as me, which I highly doubt if you were to include the interior, trim, sound system etc.
Overall the chances are you will never see another car exactly the same as yours.