Yep, another roof issue.. can someone help me?

[warmasice]

I have an intermittent fault with my roof. Occasionally the roof stops opening or closing and I get a 'Roof System!' message on the dash with red light on the roof button. Releasing and pressing the button again completes the open/close procedure.

I've checked for fault codes with ISTA+ but there none.

Would micro switches cause this problem or a broken wire?

Can someone help?!

 

[Deepseaskateboard]

The wires can fray in the roof arms, causing an intermittent fault.

There is an updated wiring loom which can be fitted.

 

[Big Bad Boris]

I’m no roof expert, but I did have a similar issue very recently which I was able to solve thanks to the very knowledgeable roof gurus on here. I think it would be useful to know at which point the roof stops and does it stop in the same place each time, on the way up and on the way down. In my case this was key in the diagnosis, it was actually one of the sensors that had failed.

These roofs are complex beasts as we all know, as much info as possible helps with possible diagnosis.

Also the standard question is how good is your battery? Perceived wisdom here is that all kind of weird unexplainable stuff can happen if the battery is not up to the job.

 

[PFZ4E89]

I had the same problem recently. there are tons of descriptions on how to fix it in this forum.
in my case, even BMW did not want to undertake the repair in the normal time
diagnostic systems do not show these errors.
view posts "RobbiZ4" is the greatest expert and describes everything perfectly.
In short, I can tell you to check the relay (salmon) next to the pump (in the trunk), all sensors and microswitch you can check on the "Top Cabrio-CTM" plug, the module is in the trunk.
to move the roof freely by hand, loosen the screws on the pump.
view all posts by "RobbiZ4" he describes it all perfectly and links to pictures and documentation.

 

[PFZ4E89]

90% of roof failures are damaged wiring.
sometimes it is difficult to find them - because all cables get creased in bundles and access to them is difficult.
but if you have a little patience you will definitely succeed.
the most likely place is the bundle at the joint of the upper shell of the roof, from the shell to the glass. there the wires bend a lot.

 

[warmasice]

I’m no roof expert, but I did have a similar issue very recently which I was able to solve thanks to the very knowledgeable roof gurus on here. I think it would be useful to know at which point the roof stops and does it stop in the same place each time, on the way up and on the way down. In my case this was key in the diagnosis, it was actually one of the sensors that had failed.

These roofs are complex beasts as we all know, as much info as possible helps with possible diagnosis.

Also the standard question is how good is your battery? Perceived wisdom here is that all kind of weird unexplainable stuff can happen if the battery is not up to the job.

That's a good point. I raised and lowered the roof 4 times after work and had no errors. It's definitely intermittent, but will keep a closer eye on what part of the open/close procedure it's happening.

I'm pretty sure the first time it happened is when the rear clamshell with the screen was on the roof with the boot open (that was just once). More often it happens when the whole roof is being stowed in the rear and the boot tries to close shut. It's at this point I have to release and press the roof close button again because I get a dash error and a red light on the button.

The battery it a just a few months old. Bosch AGM and car is left on a trickle charger when not in use.

 

[warmasice]

I had the same problem recently. there are tons of descriptions on how to fix it in this forum.
in my case, even BMW did not want to undertake the repair in the normal time
diagnostic systems do not show these errors.
view posts "RobbiZ4" is the greatest expert and describes everything perfectly.
In short, I can tell you to check the relay (salmon) next to the pump (in the trunk), all sensors and microswitch you can check on the "Top Cabrio-CTM" plug, the module is in the trunk.
to move the roof freely by hand, loosen the screws on the pump.
view all posts by "RobbiZ4" he describes it all perfectly and links to pictures and documentation.

Yes, I've heard his name mentioned a few times. I've got so many tabs which I've been reading, but I'm afraid I'm at the point at which I've given myself information overload.

I'm a little hesitant to change the micro switches myself.. never done it before! Although, ask me to change anything else on a car I'll do it no problem!

 

[Ole gits rule]

I had micro switches go and the roof open / closing was intermittent at first and then got worse.

Primary issue was the rear glass section was over the roof and the boot would not lock so it would not close and the second time everything was stowed in the boot but but the boot would not close so your error sound like what I was experiencing.

Micro switches are £16 a pop but a £300 job at an indie, few guides on here on how to fix.

 

[Pondrew]

I'm a little hesitant to change the micro switches myself.. never done it before! Although, ask me to change anything else on a car I'll do it no problem!

It sounds like microswitches in the bootlid, as intermittent is their middle name when they start to play up IME.

If it is these (refer to RobbiZ4's posts to be sure) , then believe me they are really easy to replace. I have not worked on anything car related in 30 years and I changed them both in about an hour. The hardest part is finding something of the right length to prop the bootlid open while you do it.

There are multiple posts of 'how to' (again RobbiZ4) on the forum but I'm just too tired to look for you ATM!

 

[Big Bad Boris]

Hopefully RobbiZ4 will drop by soon and give you the benefit of his wisdom. I am sure there’s enough detail here for him to diagnose what your problem is in terms of switches or sensors. Some of the potential fixes are not too difficult (I managed to fix mine with a little help from a mate and I’m certainly no mechanic)… but getting to the root of what actually needs to be done is the tricky part, that’s where Robbi (legeeend !) is a unique resource.

I had a similar problem to you, initially I searched, read and researched so many roof threads on here that my head was spinning and I honestly had less idea than when I started :dizzy:

 

[Phoenixboy]

Having had broken wire issue, and a sensor issue on different occasions, when it was a frayed/broken wire it stopped mid way and then worked again after closing then opening again.
When a sensor failed , it opened as far as rear section folding on to roof, and then stopped and would do nothing more.
The wire logically seemed to be more intermittent, as i am guessing the wire was initially making some contact, but after a couple of open and closes, it broke contact and failed completely.

 

[Phoenixboy]

Definitely worth changing the salmon relays as a starting point, regardless of whether that is the issue.
This was the first thing i was told to do.....

 

[warmasice]

Thanks for the heads up all.

I have already fitted new salmon relays and a battery a few months ago. I'll change the micro switches next, even though they're throwing no codes..

Can someone confirm its item numbers 4 and 5 that are the common ones to fail and ones I should be replacing first? Are numbers 2 and 3 hard to change? Looking to order this lunchtime.



I'll have a look at the wiring harnesses too.

 

[warmasice]

I had micro switches go and the roof open / closing was intermittent at first and then got worse.

Primary issue was the rear glass section was over the roof and the boot would not lock so it would not close and the second time everything was stowed in the boot but but the boot would not close so your error sound like what I was experiencing.

Micro switches are £16 a pop but a £300 job at an indie, few guides on here on how to fix.

Which micro switches did you change? Just trying to get a feel for what switches people have changed. The more info the better before I decide which ones to change!

Thankss

 

[Ole gits rule]

I had micro switches go and the roof open / closing was intermittent at first and then got worse.

Primary issue was the rear glass section was over the roof and the boot would not lock so it would not close and the second time everything was stowed in the boot but but the boot would not close so your error sound like what I was experiencing.

Micro switches are £16 a pop but a £300 job at an indie, few guides on here on how to fix.

Which micro switches did you change? Just trying to get a feel for what switches people have changed. The more info the better before I decide which ones to change!

Thankss
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Mine were done by a garage under warranty, but think it was number 4 that was changed

 

[LJG]

I'm getting something very similar but while I've got the flashing button I pulled fault code CC-ID 447. Once the light stops flashing it's gone and everything works ok. Can't seem to find much info on 447 so not sure what the problem is.

Didn't have it this morning so it's intermittent.

 

[warmasice]

Ok, so here's an update..

I came home from work.. roof was down. I pressed button to close roof. Boot opened an inch and got the red light and error message on the dash 'Roof system!' with a red light on the button and bonging.

I played around a little more and everytime time I let go of either of the roof open/close buttons mid roof operation, I get the bong, red light on the button and 'Roof System!' error message. Is this normal behaviour? I don't recall this happening before.

Can someone here help me out, do the same and let me know what happens? I'd really appreciate it.

 

[LJG]

Yes, that's normal

 

[warmasice]

Yes, that's normal

That's interesting. I'm pretty sure that previously I didn't get the error. If I'd have let go of the button mid-operation, it would simply stop and I'd hear a gong, but no errors on the display.

Ok, so here's an update..

I came home from work.. roof was down. I pressed button to close roof. Boot opened an inch and got the red light and error message on the dash 'Roof system!' with a red light on the button and bonging.

I played around a little more and everytime time I let go of either of the roof open/close buttons mid roof operation, I get the bong, red light on the button and 'Roof System!' error message. Is this normal behaviour? I don't recall this happening before.

Can someone here help me out, do the same and let me know what happens? I'd really appreciate it.

Anyone else check theirs for me? Thankss

 

[warmasice]

It appears that if you let go of the roof buttons mid operation, you do get a bong, error message on the dash and red flashing light on the button. I've had a German friend check hers.. same behaviour.

Car battery and salmon relays already changed.

I'm pretty sure I'm not letting go of the button mid-operation - why would I? I've had the car for a few years and it's never been a problem before.

So the question is, could this be:
1) The micro switches, or
2) Frayed roof wiring

What should I tackle first? Many thanks for your help everyone.