thoughts on this

mr wilks said:
tomscott said:
I expect the prices will tail off soon, the Z4M has had a lot of media attention as a bargain spots car over the last 2 years and there is only so much value in them. They aren't the same sort of bargains atm.
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Out of curiousity Tom do you think the buyer of your 8yr old 46k ZM got a bargain at £17500 or paid too much :?
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Mine had 63k and they payed more than that I think so no, I wouldn't have payed that for it. At what I had it at at £15500 ye I think that wasn't a bad price, but I didn't want to fleece anyone. But that was 8 months ago and prices have soared since then.

I payed £17.5k for mine with 46k on it in 2011, from BMW with a 2 year warranty.
 
tomscott said:
mr wilks said:
tomscott said:
I expect the prices will tail off soon, the Z4M has had a lot of media attention as a bargain spots car over the last 2 years and there is only so much value in them. They aren't the same sort of bargains atm.
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Out of curiousity Tom do you think the buyer of your 8yr old 46k ZM got a bargain at £17500 or paid too much :?
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Mine had 63k and they payed more than that I think so no, I wouldn't have payed that for it. At what I had it at at £15500 ye I think that wasn't a bad price, but I didn't want to fleece anyone. But that was 8 months ago and prices have soared since then.

I payed £17.5k for mine with 46k on it in 2011, from BMW with a 2 year warranty.
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Ahh my mistake , thought you sold with 46k/£17500 , , yea i think things have heated a little since last year so a looked after ZC with 63k @ £15500 would seem a decent buy if it was offered up now
The whole M market is snakes & ladders right now but there are a few current owners on the forum who would see a healthy return on what they paid originally for their cars but factor running costs & it aint ever gonna make them rich :wink:
Buy them,use,them,appreciate them & enjoy them :thumbsup:
 
Do we think they will continue upward?

I bought mine for £12k nearly 3 years ago and have owned/sold it twice for good money due to the strong market..

Like Tom says.... I personally can't see it getting better than it is, maybe for the uber rare low miles stuff yes... But for the daily users And higher milers I can see a tail off into the new year... Be it roady or coupe
 
Cars will only make money if they are limited numbers, kept for decades before being sold in an auction.
Saw a program recently with a 1 owner, limited number Ferrari with 43,000 miles being sold for $27.5million. It was bought for around $14,000.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
Do we think they will continue upward?

I bought mine for £12k nearly 3 years ago and have owned/sold it twice for good money due to the strong market..

Like Tom says.... I personally can't see it getting better than it is, maybe for the uber rare low miles stuff yes... But for the daily users And higher milers I can see a tail off into the new year... Be it roady or coupe
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You know yourself whats out there Gary :oops: very little choice for the average guy fancying a ZM experience for the first time . Anyone looking there is very little choice on the web as even though PH or Ebay may show 10 or 15 vehicles for sale there isn't really , most adverts are wanted's , dodgy's or dealers asking crazy prices :cry: ( Btw i believe the Bantams Silver Mroady has now sold from the dealer in Nottingham )
This is a dedicated Z forum & you know the feeding time frenzy whenever a car is listed FS
That doesn't say the prices will hold or rise but it does indicate there will always be healthy demand as opposed to the many many offerings of Boxsters or Caymans that appear in plentitude for buyers :wink:
It was always of interest & speculation to watch before i owned one , now it's doubly interesting :thumbsup:
 
Ive always bought high mileage cars and never had a problem just means i get a car i want without pay a stupid amount of money for it plus ive bought mine to use not stare at. If i could use my Z everyday i would not caring about how many miles im putting on it isn't that the point of these cars? Half of this thread is just pointless :fuelfire:
 
I could have bought a 63k M coupe with nav and full SH for under £14k last week.... It was standard,but it was black...

No thanks... :thumbsdown:

There was M coupe on the trade forum about 6 weeks ago too... 57 plate with 71k... It was interlagos but dont know spec.. £12,750.

Cheap car...but it was down south and i had to commit before ownership... didnt fancy that...
 
tomscott said:
You can get similar aged Boxster S sub 40k for 12k upward. Caymans are still holding their value ok but less than the Zs now 16kish for a decent one.

Theres no arguing there OG but this is a recent case like I said 3-4 years ago they were rock bottom a 4 yo coupe could be had with sub 45k for 17.5k. Thats what I payed anyway. Milage and value most certainly did apply especially if its going to be an appreciating asset, I agree with you when looking at the coupe but not a roadster as its not a unique recipe and there are still NA roady competitors. The only Coupe competitor is the Cayman.

Struggle to find coupes with spec above now for 22k many cases more, just seen Knights have a coupe with 25k for 25k. The Coupe was always a strange one, the M3 was a better car in many ways and they were similar prices and the M3 ride was a lot better 2 more seats etc but wasn't a true sports car, but the M3 seemed a better purchase, so many coupes didn't sell and people that bought Z4Ms were a very specific unique buyers leaving the UK with 550ish total. People that wanted a sports car usually wanted a car that did more so they bought the roadster as roof down is selling feature, which is why twice as many were sold.

We are talking different cars with the CSL tho and the M3 evo. The evo started it all nostalgia for many and historic pedigree, the CSL was supposed to be a limited run the Z4M wasn't, It was just unpopular at the time.

As we've all said if BMW had made the E89 with the V8 it would have been a good seller and we would be having a different conversation.

I love the Z4M but after owning one and selling it for a good price I would need a lot more to buy one and I don't think I would be looking at another with current prices.
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Well i would be interested if anyone knows whether the average miles on the coupe is higher than the roadster of same age -my rationale here is that i expect most people buy a coupe as a daily runner cf roadie as weekend summer toy car for obvious reasons -hence the putative difference in mileage -i'm suprised some nerd on here hasn't already crunched the numbers in this regard .
 
I wonder what you guys think my car is worth.

2006 M Coupe - Monaco Blue | Black Nappa Leather | Leather Dash Trim Finish | Electric Memory Heated Seats | No Nav (nice dash line) | No PDC | No Cruise | BT | Aux | AutoDim | Cup Holders | New front OEM discs | Stock 18" Wheels | Stock Exhaust | Stock Suspension | Unmarked Alloys | Body work in good condition | Tyres Conti M3s 4mm 4mm Front & Goodyear F1s Asyms 6mm 6mm Rears | KDS II Tracking done at Elms Bedford 2k ago.
90,500 miles
Full service history, mostly main dealer but also BMW specialists. Folder full of invoices dating from previous owners and myself all the way back to running in service, inspection ii done at Sytner, MOTs, BMW parts orders

Changes I have made are:
CDV Delete
Stubby
EBC Yellowstuffs

It is currently having the following work done:
Schrick cams 280/272s
Schrick DLC followers
Bearing shells replaced for preventative maintenance
Oil Pump replacement for preventative maintenance
BMW OEM Strut Brace
Eventuri Carbon Intake
Evolve custom map for the cams/intake

car.jpg
 
tomscott said:
You can get similar aged Boxster S sub 40k for 12k upward. Caymans are still holding their value ok but less than the Zs now 16kish for a decent one.

We are talking different cars with the CSL tho and the M3 evo. The evo started it all nostalgia for many and historic pedigree, the CSL was supposed to be a limited run the Z4M wasn't, It was just unpopular at the time.

As we've all said if BMW had made the E89 with the V8 it would have been a good seller and we would be having a different conversation.
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Tom - I think what Cayman and Boxster you can get is irrelevant for the reasons stated above. There's not much unique or rare about them in 987 guise unless you are talking about the Spyder or R.

The Z4M Coupe was always intended to be limited run. Not sure about the Z4MR.

They didn't make a V8 though. That's one of the reasons ours are considered collectable at the moment. They could well be the last ever two-seater M cars and will almost certainly be the last two-seater NA M cars.

I don't kid myself - these aren't going to go stratospheric but there is probably going to be a gradual appreciation over the years. There's lots of similar examples - Mk1 Focus RS, Peugeot 205 GTi to name a couple. There is a reason to collect one. There's not really a reason to collect a 987 Boxster - there's thousands and thousands of them. Great cars to drive and own but never likely to be sought after as a classic.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
mr wilks said:
Z4M-2006 said:
Between £13-£14k....?
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After the engine work or before ?
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After.....

The engine work is just repairing whats broke... It wont really "add" to the value,just peace of mind...
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I understand that point of view, or the other side of that coin is me spending 3k+ on the engine will mean it *should* got for a long time without needing any major work. I.e. to a buyer they don't have to worry about the cam / follower issue, the largest engine components are more of less replaced/checked out. If I was buying the car now I think it would give me some piece of mind as you say, and maybe that's worth an extra 1k to the value of the car. There is nothing overly dramatic about the changes, just small enhancements?? Or is that just not reality.
 
Z4M-2006 said:
mr wilks said:
Z4M-2006 said:
Between £13-£14k....?
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After the engine work or before ?
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After.....

The engine work is just repairing whats broke... It wont really "add" to the value,just peace of mind...
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Oooosh ! bit harsh but gotta agree & shame as it would have been worth a similar figure as it stood before the engine fault reared imo ,
Obviously more to yourself pHill & you will at least have the knowledge your car is fresh & fettled for many miles to come
When do you hope to get the car back ?
 
Its a realistic view...

if someone was looking at 2 cars with identical miles and one has £3k of work done to the engine,then im sure the car would look more desirable..

If its worth £1000 more to that same buyer is down to them i guess...

As a guy that keeps his eye on the M cars,what would you pay for it Andy with the work done ?
 
mr wilks said:
After.....

The engine work is just repairing whats broke... It wont really "add" to the value,just peace of mind...

Oooosh ! bit harsh but gotta agree & shame as it would have been worth a similar figure as it stood before the engine fault reared imo ,
Obviously more to yourself pHill & you will at least have the knowledge your car is fresh & fettled for many miles to come
When do you hope to get the car back ?
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The cams are still inbound from Germany. The intake similar story, its not here yet. So I am looking at I guess another 2 or 3 weeks before the works done. Missing her already ! :roll:
 
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