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By the seaside...
It does look to be in fantastic condition, but is modified and high miles which may put some folk off at that price level.
With those miles, it depends what sort of preventative maintenance has been done recently. You'll be need to refresh the bushes shortly and could be due a full set of brakes again, 35-40k miles seems to be the average miles for the fronts. My car turned 60k miles recently and I've replaced all the bushes, track rod ends etc. Feels much sharper again.
If it does sell, then I can't believe how much these cars have gone up by in the last year.... I should sell my ///M now!
With those miles, it depends what sort of preventative maintenance has been done recently. You'll be need to refresh the bushes shortly and could be due a full set of brakes again, 35-40k miles seems to be the average miles for the fronts. My car turned 60k miles recently and I've replaced all the bushes, track rod ends etc. Feels much sharper again.
If it does sell, then I can't believe how much these cars have gone up by in the last year.... I should sell my ///M now!
mattwaltersz4m
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gwatson said:It does look to be in fantastic condition, but is modified and high miles which may put some folk off at that price level.
If it does sell, then I can't believe how much these cars have gone up by in the last year.... I should sell my ///M now!
Asking and selling could be miles apart here - shocking wheels and zorst!
OP: here is the thread - http://www.z4-forum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=77669
Problem with Z4Ms now they don't look as attractive as they once did… 15.5k for 70k. 4 years ago you could get a sub 40k miler Z4M coupe from a dealer for £17.5k now your lucky if you can find the same for less than £22k on a 10 year old car. They are lovely but the Z4M has its downfalls and at these inflated prices they don't make as good buys. There are a lot of rough cars wanting good money. Caymans are looking good value now… Caymans had a 5k premium 4 years ago now its the other way round.
Saying that me and my friend went to look at a Boxter S at the weekend for 15K with 36k full spec on 06 plate and with just a question on price came down to £13.5k so you can get good deals.
Also although nice and looks spotless, mods don't = £ The wheels and exhaust are negative points for me would much prefer OEM.
Milage doesn't always tell the story tho, it looks in very very good condition and the owner has obviously treated it extremely well. Always better to buy on condition than milage, but depends on how many miles you intend on doing. Could become a really high miler pretty quickly.
I agree with gwatson. Bills can spiral pretty quickly.
Saying that me and my friend went to look at a Boxter S at the weekend for 15K with 36k full spec on 06 plate and with just a question on price came down to £13.5k so you can get good deals.
Also although nice and looks spotless, mods don't = £ The wheels and exhaust are negative points for me would much prefer OEM.
Milage doesn't always tell the story tho, it looks in very very good condition and the owner has obviously treated it extremely well. Always better to buy on condition than milage, but depends on how many miles you intend on doing. Could become a really high miler pretty quickly.
I agree with gwatson. Bills can spiral pretty quickly.
mattwaltersz4m
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tomscott said:
Tom we get that you like the Porsche brand :roll:
Both of the cars you mention above personally I would not go near as they both have very well documented engines made from cheese. That is why they are down at the levels they are whereas the Z4M does not. 
abar121
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Made of cheese might be a bit of an exaggeration. Anyone for a Speed six?
However it does seem pretty likely that most Caymans / Boxsters will depreciate to nothing, unlike the M engined zeds. Sure the Porkers might be more competent overall, but they never made a GT3 engined Boxster, which would I'm sure, have appealed to many on here.
The Boxster GT4 coming out now is really an admission that the cooking 991s have finally become a GT car. I have driven many and they have no appeal to me.
Back to the Zed on ebay, it looks nice to me, although as mentioned, I would seek out an unmolested car.
However it does seem pretty likely that most Caymans / Boxsters will depreciate to nothing, unlike the M engined zeds. Sure the Porkers might be more competent overall, but they never made a GT3 engined Boxster, which would I'm sure, have appealed to many on here.
The Boxster GT4 coming out now is really an admission that the cooking 991s have finally become a GT car. I have driven many and they have no appeal to me.
Back to the Zed on ebay, it looks nice to me, although as mentioned, I would seek out an unmolested car.
Not sure why the exhaust's keep getting mentioned as a downer when he's including the originals meaning £500 back in the buyers pocket straight away if he chooses to revert to standard :?
A 06 Boxster with 40k miles i would want closer to £10k Tom as thats where it will be wihin no time at all .
I was close to buying a 987 Boxster with 64k & full spec earlier this year at £9500 & don't see them or the Caymans holding value against similar ££ invested in a ZM
That said i do like the Cayman styling but again ive seen them nearer £10k as mileage gets to 90k whereas Z4M-2006 saw a lot of interest in his 90k ZM Coupe @ £14995
Service record & repair costs will always factor high in all above cars so its about homework & footwork to find the good ones that won't fleece you within months :wink:
A 06 Boxster with 40k miles i would want closer to £10k Tom as thats where it will be wihin no time at all .
I was close to buying a 987 Boxster with 64k & full spec earlier this year at £9500 & don't see them or the Caymans holding value against similar ££ invested in a ZM
That said i do like the Cayman styling but again ive seen them nearer £10k as mileage gets to 90k whereas Z4M-2006 saw a lot of interest in his 90k ZM Coupe @ £14995
Service record & repair costs will always factor high in all above cars so its about homework & footwork to find the good ones that won't fleece you within months :wink:
mattwaltersz4m
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abar121 said:
Bore scoring. :!:
Mad Professor
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i dont think that 70k miles can be accurately described as being low miles
mattwaltersz4m
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DPG said:
But more than average for vehicle/model type.
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I really like this car, because I'm a clean freak. I don't like the wheel design or exhaust, but that's easy to change. As has been said, the chap has clearly looked after it and some questions to the seller himself would be sure to put any "concerns" over servicing to rest, rather than the above speculation.
Appreciate it is all an opinion on forums and there is nothing wrong with a bit of chatter, but the level of skepticism on this one in particular is sometimes eye opening... :?
Appreciate it is all an opinion on forums and there is nothing wrong with a bit of chatter, but the level of skepticism on this one in particular is sometimes eye opening... :?
Steve_R1979
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JAD said:
Seems to be a fairly standard behaviour on this forum.
No M is worth anything if it as more than 30k on it
If the wheels are wrong its worthless
If the exhaust is wrong its worthless
If the oil was changed by someone who doesn't wear BMW approved overalls its worthless
If its not been stored in a heated garage its worthless
Common sense (for those of us that have any) dictates that 70k is nothing for a car like this. Jut have a look on M3 cutters, they have plenty of 100k+ E46 M3's going strong, and as the cars get older more and more "miley" examples will be floating about. If the cars been looked after it shouldn't be an issue.
The attitude of "I'd not buy a car with that mileage" is just moronic. Correctly looked after an 70k example should be just as good as a 30k example, in fact, the 70k example would have had a lot of service parts replaced that maybe the 30k car wouldn't. Granted the 70k example is worth less, but to rule it out completely is silly.
Its sad but we seem to have an amount of snobbery displayed by the owners of Z4Ms, and its really not appropriate. While the M is nice, its not "special".
Steve_R1979 said:
Enjoyed reading your thoughts Steve but a little unfair to imply all owners think the way you highlight :wink:
There are many different types of M owners on the forum who have varying degrees of budget & requirements from their chosen car .
There is a lot of truth in your words but also many owners on here like myself have bought the best car they could afford regardless of miles & enjoy making changes to the cars appearance no matter if it affects value or not .
The above is not M specific either , it applies across the whole range of Zs available :wink:
Steve_R1979
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mr wilks said:
Of course I can't suggest that ALL owners think this way. Just like you, I also bought the best M I could afford regardless of the miles it had covered. I love it dearly, but I am under no illusion that at the end of the day it is just a BMW, much like my 530d and my 1150GS.
I just get frustrated at the attitude displayed by a lot of owners who for reason I simply cannot fathom think the Z4M is the best car ever!!! I own one, and I know its not!!
Guess it comes back to the same old same old that applies to buying any used car , always buy on condition & history as mileage is never a guarantee of either the above & paying more for having less miles generally means you have "bought" the miles you are about to add if you want to use it ? leaving you playing snakes & ladders :wink:
i would always rather pay less £ for more miles then lose less £ but i appreciate many others would not follow my ethos
i would always rather pay less £ for more miles then lose less £ but i appreciate many others would not follow my ethos