thoughts on this

[Wyldie85]

Seems to be a fairly standard behaviour on this forum.

No M is worth anything if it as more than 30k on it
If the wheels are wrong its worthless
If the exhaust is wrong its worthless
If the oil was changed by someone who doesn't wear BMW approved overalls its worthless
If its not been stored in a heated garage its worthless

Common sense (for those of us that have any) dictates that 70k is nothing for a car like this. Jut have a look on M3 cutters, they have plenty of 100k+ E46 M3's going strong, and as the cars get older more and more "miley" examples will be floating about. If the cars been looked after it shouldn't be an issue.

The attitude of "I'd not buy a car with that mileage" is just moronic. Correctly looked after an 70k example should be just as good as a 30k example, in fact, the 70k example would have had a lot of service parts replaced that maybe the 30k car wouldn't. Granted the 70k example is worth less, but to rule it out completely is silly.

Its sad but we seem to have an amount of snobbery displayed by the owners of Z4Ms, and its really not appropriate. While the M is nice, its not "special".

I'm glad you said this Steve. Whilst it's not fair to tarnish all with the same brush it does seem that unless an M has less than 3 owners and covered less than 40k then it really is fit for the knackers yard.
Whilst there has been little from the owner (Paul) in terms of the servicing and maintenance I am sure he would be willing to provide details (as previously mentioned) to anyone who was serious about buying it.

He spent many hours when the car was delivered to him, detailing it and getting it tidied up as to how he wanted it. He's now been given an opportunity to buy something different and there seems to be a strange response to the advert.

I'm sure someone out there is looking for a car just like this one and the mileage won't bother them one single bit. (If it's been maintained and looked after).

There were lots of positive comments when the owner showed us his work and mods and what he was planning for the car. Some want an original car, that's completely fine. These things are easily changed and it seems priced competitively - even with the galactic mileage.



Good luck to

 

[abar121]

I don't think anyone on here has said it's fit for the knackers yard, or is worthless, or the best car ever. There is a lot of discussion on here, (probably most of it), about rectifying it's faults and modifying accordingly.

There is love for the Z4M on here, it's a Z4M forum after all!

Like it or not, these cars are now holding their value or increasingly slowly. When this happens to any car or motorcycle, originality and mileage become increasingly important to fetch top money. To ignore this is just

 

[Anonymous]

Hmm, what have I started...

 

[tomscott]

Pretty sure I said non of the above I was stating they are getting expensive...

From 4 years of ownership and nearly 70k I know exactly what the territory is, so if my comments are wrong in your mind I don't apologise…. Im actually more a BMW fan than a Porsche fan but a Porsche is the logical step and BMW are making nothing worth looking at. Plus the 987 was for a friend.

My opinion after buying a car that was a cheap proposition and now they are double the milage and more + 4 years older… and more expensive, its a sellers market and people that bought the cars in this time frame and smiling ear to ear. There is a point to diminishing returns, other cars on the market that were more expensive at the time and better cars IMO are now better propositions. As they get cheaper it makes the Z4Ms even less of a good proposition.

The Zs a great car I'm stating they are getting expensive. They were great because they were cheap. Spend money on them and they are even better cars. Wouldn't still be here if I thought they were crap…

I find it pretty amusing how people get so irate about a pretty obvious comment…

 

[mmm-five]

Mine's on 135k miles of mixed usage (20k commuting miles and 5k hoon & track miles a year) - and my last big cost was a suspension refresh as the original OE stuff was well past its best.

Next 'big' bill will be for my brakes (been planned for a while), and my recent 'Ring trip has shown that I'll need a new rad (maybe an oil cooler too) as the oil temp started to get very hot in traffic (120c) and using full revs on the 'Ring was throwing up a amber/red water light.

 

[Yorkie Z]

Mine's on 135k miles of mixed usage (20k commuting miles and 5k hoon & track miles a year) - and my last big cost was a suspension refresh as the original OE stuff was well past its best.

Next 'big' bill will be for my brakes (been planned for a while), and my recent 'Ring trip has shown that I'll need a new rad (maybe an oil cooler too) as the oil temp started to get very hot in traffic (120c) and using full revs on the 'Ring was throwing up a amber/red water light.

I'm surprised you're allowed to still be a member with mileage like that... :wink:

 

[StevenH72]

Pretty sure I said non of the above I was stating they are getting expensive...

From 4 years of ownership and nearly 70k I know exactly what the territory is, so if my comments are wrong in your mind I don't apologise…. Im actually more a BMW fan than a Porsche fan but a Porsche is the logical step and BMW are making nothing worth looking at. Plus the 987 was for a friend.

My opinion after buying a car that was a cheap proposition and now they are double the milage and more + 4 years older… and more expensive, its a sellers market and people that bought the cars in this time frame and smiling ear to ear. There is a point to diminishing returns, other cars on the market that were more expensive at the time and better cars IMO are now better propositions. As they get cheaper it makes the Z4Ms even less of a good proposition.

The Zs a great car I'm stating they are getting expensive. They were great because they were cheap. Spend money on them and they are even better cars. Wouldn't still be here if I thought they were crap…

I find it pretty amusing how people get so irate about a pretty obvious comment…

Pretty much agree with your thoughts Tom, the only advantage the Z4M has is that as newer cars become more affordable (i.e same price bracket as the M) they also have a greater reliance on technology are FI and arguably take away from the driving experience. The Z4M will always be NA, manual, with a screaming straight 6 and just about the right amount of driver involvement without being too raw. I think this, coupled with it's looks (it's still a gorgeous little thing) is what is making it desirable.

The reliance on technology / FI technology has also been "blamed" for the huge rise in popularity over the past few years of the E30 M3

 

[StevenH72]

To keep things on topic, 60k is nothing for these cars, looks like a great example. Worth a punt if everything checks out

 

[Mad Professor]

For what it's worth when I bought mine I was most interested in the service history and in particular seeing details of exactly what had been done from a wedge of receipts and an OCD owner who knew everything about the mechanicals .
Now I appreciate that I may well be an outlier here becuase I don't really care if it's shiny or detailed or has fancy wheels or a noisy exhaust or a loud sound system .
On a car like this I have a tick list of key mechanicals that I want to see all in order and as long as there is no rust and no obvious issues with the interior ,then it's down to price .
Number of owners and miles only bothers me in terms of selling it on becuase like it or not these are seen as deal breakers for a lot of folk out there in the market for one of these high end performance cars . That does not necessarily mean that a modified car is any worse or better per se ,it's just that it limits the market and can potentially affect residuals for most buyers out there and especially dealers . I'm not in position where I can afford drop a lot of money on my second car and I guess a lot of other folk are in a similar position in terms of thinking ahead .
So if this one ticks all the boxes for a particular buyer and the price and condition are right ,then it's a good deal for that individual irrespective of mileage ,even though it might not be right for another individual .
Also it depends what you're using the car for .ie if it's a weekend toy for sunny days then a higher mileage model makes perfect sense .
So while 70k would indeed be average for a random car of this age when used as a daily , I still maintain it could not be described as low miles for a performance car like an M of this vintage . Once you over 80k for this type of car then it's going to put a lot of people off .

 

[gwatson]

I just get frustrated at the attitude displayed by a lot of owners who for reason I simply cannot fathom think the Z4M is the best car ever!!! I own one, and I know its not!!

I'm not sure anyone above has suggested the Z4M is the best car ever.... not sure where you're coming from on that or picked that up.... just having a moan?? I'm not naive to suggest it is, we know it has its flaws.

My comments above were meant to be constructive. My point was people were getting carried away about the car without knowing anything about the history or mechanical. Again, not sure anyone was suggesting otherwise, but the details weren't in the advert.

As a ///M owner with 60k+ miles and done refreshed many parts I completely agree and appreciate a high mileage car can drive better than a 40k mile example, but ONLY if parts have been replaced and that car is top money for what I would deem a high mileage Z4M, by that i mean compared to others on the market, not whether you classify it as high miles or not.

So where was the snobbey??? Perhaps someone has a chip on their shoulder?

 

[pvr]

To keep things on topic, 60k is nothing for these cars, looks like a great example. Worth a punt if everything checks out

Clocked as well then as it just dropped 10k

 

[Steve_R1979]

I'm not sure anyone above has suggested the Z4M is the best car ever.... not sure where you're coming from on that or picked that up.... just having a moan?? I'm not naive to suggest it is, we know it has its flaws.

My comments above were meant to be constructive. My point was people were getting carried away about the car without knowing anything about the history or mechanical. Again, not sure anyone was suggesting otherwise, but the details weren't in the advert.

As a ///M owner with 60k+ miles and done refreshed many parts I completely agree and appreciate a high mileage car can drive better than a 40k mile example, but ONLY if parts have been replaced and that car is top money for what I would deem a high mileage Z4M, by that i mean compared to others on the market, not whether you classify it as high miles or not.

So where was the snobbey??? Perhaps someone has a chip on their shoulder?

If you read the other comments I made you'll see that I have an M, so how can I have a chip on my shoulder?? Sorry, but what a silly thing to come out with.

If you can't see the snobbery, go back and look at the comments made about his car because its "high mileage", and because he has a couple of non standard easily replaceable parts on it.

 

[Beedub]

Mine's on 135k miles of mixed usage (20k commuting miles and 5k hoon & track miles a year) - and my last big cost was a suspension refresh as the original OE stuff was well past its best.

Next 'big' bill will be for my brakes (been planned for a while), and my recent 'Ring trip has shown that I'll need a new rad (maybe an oil cooler too) as the oil temp started to get very hot in traffic (120c) and using full revs on the 'Ring was throwing up a amber/red water light.

i saw this and you peaked my interest.... I'm feeling pretty happy and rather lucky in more ways than one, it also my 4 year olds bday tomorrow.... so today is your lucky day. You've been a member as long as i can remember, I'm sure we've had words along the way somewhere but i LOVE the fact that we've got members that have stuck with the car for the long haul, i think your probably one of the hardcore of hardcore owners, mega miles and slowly the car is being modded up to be rather serious now days as things are wearing out so.... i have a oil cooler that i removed from my car at around 6k miles, its perfect, these are around 400 quid new.... if you want it, you can state ANY figure you DEEM fit, and its yours, ( this is not an excuse to butt rape however lmao! ) but you pay what you deem reasonable, i will not moan or make and issue, its yours if you want it I'm hoping to this has made you smile slightly, today is your lucky day my friend.. make a fair LOW-ball offer m-5. its all yours if you need/want it. after all those miles, this will make a large diff to the engine.

 

[Beedub]

I really like this car, because I'm a clean freak. I don't like the wheel design or exhaust, but that's easy to change. As has been said, the chap has clearly looked after it and some questions to the seller himself would be sure to put any "concerns" over servicing to rest, rather than the above speculation.

Appreciate it is all an opinion on forums and there is nothing wrong with a bit of chatter, but the level of skepticism on this one in particular is sometimes eye opening... :?

Seems to be a fairly standard behaviour on this forum.

No M is worth anything if it as more than 30k on it
If the wheels are wrong its worthless
If the exhaust is wrong its worthless
If the oil was changed by someone who doesn't wear BMW approved overalls its worthless
If its not been stored in a heated garage its worthless

Common sense (for those of us that have any) dictates that 70k is nothing for a car like this. Jut have a look on M3 cutters, they have plenty of 100k+ E46 M3's going strong, and as the cars get older more and more "miley" examples will be floating about. If the cars been looked after it shouldn't be an issue.

The attitude of "I'd not buy a car with that mileage" is just moronic. Correctly looked after an 70k example should be just as good as a 30k example, in fact, the 70k example would have had a lot of service parts replaced that maybe the 30k car wouldn't. Granted the 70k example is worth less, but to rule it out completely is silly.

Its sad but we seem to have an amount of snobbery displayed by the owners of Z4Ms, and its really not appropriate. While the M is nice, its not "special".

REAL TALK!!!

 

[Bing]

You're such a fucking sap Beedub - I love it

(Reference your first post above)

 

[Bing]

For what it's worth given all that's been said, I think that's a lovely car and the only thing I'd do is take the stock back boxes with the car. I think it's priced a little high for a private sale, but not by a lot - as said you'd want to, see the service history, what its dive next, any bits that have been replaced etc.

As Mr Wilks pointed out, the back boxes are worth £500 at least if you sell the RPIs, and you'll get more than enough from the sale of the wheels if you hate them to put them back to stock. I'd be spending the £500 from the exhausts on an Eventuri intake... Or aero skirts.

It looks in great condition, and I bet if he's flexible on price it'll be gone in a flash at this time of year. Look at the Sepang that Taz bought, despite the thread that accompanied that one. Didn't hang around long at all, at a similar mileage and asking price IIRC.

 

[mmm-five]

i saw this and you peaked my interest.... I'm feeling pretty happy and rather lucky in more ways than one, it also my 4 year olds bday tomorrow.... so today is your lucky day. You've been a member as long as i can remember, I'm sure we've had words along the way somewhere but i LOVE the fact that we've got members that have stuck with the car for the long haul, i think your probably one of the hardcore of hardcore owners, mega miles and slowly the car is being modded up to be rather serious now days as things are wearing out so.... i have a oil cooler that i removed from my car at around 6k miles, its perfect, these are around 400 quid new.... if you want it, you can state ANY figure you DEEM fit, and its yours, ( this is not an excuse to butt rape however lmao! ) but you pay what you deem reasonable, i will not moan or make and issue, its yours if you want it I'm hoping to this has made you smile slightly, today is your lucky day my friend.. make a fair LOW-ball offer m-5. its all yours if you need/want it. after all those miles, this will make a large diff to the engine.

Thanks for the generous offer. I'll let you know as soon as my spanner monkey has had a look

Wouldn't dream of bum-raping you, although your Z4m may not be so lucky

My spanner monkey is suggesting a custom rad/cooler like he has on his modded GTR33, but I don't see the point in paying £1500 for a custom rad & oil cooler when an OE one has lasted this long. Even seen Hella rads from ECP for £80

Engine temp behaved fine on the cruise back from the 'ring, so it's not like it's something I need to rush in to. Although it will have to be done before I return to the 'ring in Sep/Oct.

 

[Mad Professor]

At 15,5 k I'd want a decent warranty thrown in from a dealer with that mileage

 

[Beedub]

i saw this and you peaked my interest.... I'm feeling pretty happy and rather lucky in more ways than one, it also my 4 year olds bday tomorrow.... so today is your lucky day. You've been a member as long as i can remember, I'm sure we've had words along the way somewhere but i LOVE the fact that we've got members that have stuck with the car for the long haul, i think your probably one of the hardcore of hardcore owners, mega miles and slowly the car is being modded up to be rather serious now days as things are wearing out so.... i have a oil cooler that i removed from my car at around 6k miles, its perfect, these are around 400 quid new.... if you want it, you can state ANY figure you DEEM fit, and its yours, ( this is not an excuse to butt rape however lmao! ) but you pay what you deem reasonable, i will not moan or make and issue, its yours if you want it I'm hoping to this has made you smile slightly, today is your lucky day my friend.. make a fair LOW-ball offer m-5. its all yours if you need/want it. after all those miles, this will make a large diff to the engine.

Thanks for the generous offer. I'll let you know as soon as my spanner monkey has had a look

Wouldn't dream of bum-raping you, although your Z4m may not be so lucky

My spanner monkey is suggesting a custom rad/cooler like he has on his modded GTR33, but I don't see the point in paying £1500 for a custom rad & oil cooler when an OE one has lasted this long. Even seen Hella rads from ECP for £80

Engine temp behaved fine on the cruise back from the 'ring, so it's not like it's something I need to rush in to. Although it will have to be done before I return to the 'ring in Sep/Oct.

deadly serious, any low ball offer and its yours my friend, take the chance and take it while i feel so misty eyed more of a gift to that cars of yours If you deem a fiver fit, then so be it :wink:

 

[Anonymous]

At 15,5 k I'd want a decent warranty thrown in from a dealer with that mileage

So sounds like you feel it's not worth £15.5k? Or at 70k you expect something major to go wrong (unless BMW warranties cover bushes or suspension parts that people feel need refreshing at this sort of mileage?)?