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Z4M-2006 said:So what would you call the gearbox when you move the gear-lever to the left an inch and the hydro pack will not shift the synchros unless you tell it too?
A manual automatic?
A manual gearbox that has a hydro shift pack is still a manual gearbox...
I think this says it all and when I bought the porsche and had a choice it was PDK all the way because when I push the lever over and it doesnt change unless I pull paddles how's that not manual ? , its just differant from pressing a pedal and moving a stick
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Congrats, welcome to the iS club 
Don't panic with Sport+, it took me ages to use it... it allows a little bit of slip but not as much as you'd expect, plus stability control remains mostly active. It's better to drive in Sport+ when driving hard, it avoids you cooking the rear brakes. Until the car has an LSD it will constantly apply the rear brakes and like me, you end up needing new ones pretty quickly.
Don't panic with Sport+, it took me ages to use it... it allows a little bit of slip but not as much as you'd expect, plus stability control remains mostly active. It's better to drive in Sport+ when driving hard, it avoids you cooking the rear brakes. Until the car has an LSD it will constantly apply the rear brakes and like me, you end up needing new ones pretty quickly.
chasBMW said:Z4M-2006 said:So what would you call the gearbox when you move the gear-lever to the left an inch and the hydro pack will not shift the synchros unless you tell it too?
A manual automatic?
A manual gearbox that has a hydro shift pack is still a manual gearbox...
I think this says it all and when I bought the porsche and had a choice it was PDK all the way because when I push the lever over and it doesnt change unless I pull paddles how's that not manual ? , its just differant from pressing a pedal and moving a stick
It's two things, a direct physical connection between gear stick and gearbox and a clutch both of which operated manually by the operator, hence the manual. Once you remove one part it is semi automatic if you remove both then it is fully automatic.
What Z4M-2006 was getting stuck on was that he saw the actual standalone gearbox as manual or automatic when in fact fundamentally it's just that, a gearbox, a mechanical method of changing torque. It is the operation of that gearbox that defines whether it is manual or automatic
sars said:chasBMW said:Z4M-2006 said:So what would you call the gearbox when you move the gear-lever to the left an inch and the hydro pack will not shift the synchros unless you tell it too?
A manual automatic?
A manual gearbox that has a hydro shift pack is still a manual gearbox...
I think this says it all and when I bought the porsche and had a choice it was PDK all the way because when I push the lever over and it doesnt change unless I pull paddles how's that not manual ? , its just differant from pressing a pedal and moving a stick
It's two things, a direct physical connection between gear stick and gearbox and a clutch both of which operated manually by the operator, hence the manual. Once you remove one part it is semi automatic if you remove both then it is fully automatic.
What Z4M-2006 was getting stuck on was that he saw the actual standalone gearbox as manual or automatic when in fact fundamentally it's just that, a gearbox, a mechanical method of changing torque. It is the operation of that gearbox that defines whether it is manual or automatic
Before I say anything else just want to say that generally I dont like arguing with someone who I have never met and who may be a standup person but
That being said 'physical connection' reading that I take it that you believe that the paddles on my steering colum arernt actually attached to anything and work by magic then ? , not sure thats true
Just like to too add my twopenneth by recommending the DTC auto. Had three previous E89's all were manual and loved each one but the DTC gives you the best of both. Fully auto when cruising or in town centres and paddles when in sport and having some fun.
Just to add some fuel to the argument and a faster gear change. It's a no brainer
Just to add some fuel to the argument and a faster gear change. It's a no brainer
I dunno... Ask DVLA..
It's a manual gearbox that has the ability to shift automatically, it also has the ability to shift manually should you choose too..
A slushbox or whatever you want to call it doesn't offer that...
But if you want to call it an auto then so be it, don't get your knickers in a twist
It's a manual gearbox that has the ability to shift automatically, it also has the ability to shift manually should you choose too..
A slushbox or whatever you want to call it doesn't offer that...
But if you want to call it an auto then so be it, don't get your knickers in a twist
No there's no need to ask DVLA, they make the rules not me.
It seems that you've been the most vocal in this thread, and should anyone wish to challenge you you get all defensive about your inane love for automatics of all variations, so just to bring you down to earth, I was offering some 'common sense' points which you chose to throw the toys out of the pram about.
It seems that you've been the most vocal in this thread, and should anyone wish to challenge you you get all defensive about your inane love for automatics of all variations, so just to bring you down to earth, I was offering some 'common sense' points which you chose to throw the toys out of the pram about.
What on earth are you on about... ?
Nothing you have said makes any sense..
I don't have any insane love for any kind of gearbox... But I have owned cars that have had all the different kind of gearboxes that BMW offer... Just like that other automatic, the SMG...
I just prefer people to have the correct info, and like yourself have become misinformed on what a DCT actually is or how it operates...
Slushbox...... Ha ha ha ha.....
Nothing you have said makes any sense..
I don't have any insane love for any kind of gearbox... But I have owned cars that have had all the different kind of gearboxes that BMW offer... Just like that other automatic, the SMG...
I just prefer people to have the correct info, and like yourself have become misinformed on what a DCT actually is or how it operates...
Slushbox...... Ha ha ha ha.....
Can you clarify on which bits your misunderstanding?
I stated a FACT that you can drive slushbox DCT or whatever on an automatic lisence?
Yes? You following so far?
I also stated that to joe public, a car with 3 pedals is a manual , and a car with 2 pedals is an automatic!
Wow? Makes no sense whatsoever that does it pal!
You just continue to stick your fingers in your ears anyway & throw common sense out the window, how dare anyone else challenge someone with such a high post count
Lmao.
I stated a FACT that you can drive slushbox DCT or whatever on an automatic lisence?
Yes? You following so far?
I also stated that to joe public, a car with 3 pedals is a manual , and a car with 2 pedals is an automatic!
Wow? Makes no sense whatsoever that does it pal!
You just continue to stick your fingers in your ears anyway & throw common sense out the window, how dare anyone else challenge someone with such a high post count
Lmao.
My 3.0 auto certainly wasn't a slush box - pulled like a train, changed so smoothly I could barely feel it. And I had paddles. But it still changed for me in 'manual', eventually, or at the red line. I loved it. I miss it as well. But I love my manual. I am so confused.
But, I am loving the way this thread is going 
But, I am loving the way this thread is going
Did you seriously just ask me to google slush box, like I'd never heard the term before ?
It's generally used as a derogatory term for an auto gearbox, not simply another piece of terminology. Slush box implies it's slow, unresponsive and imprecise - which is why I pointed out that mine wasn't.
Stand down - I'm not looking for a fight
It's generally used as a derogatory term for an auto gearbox, not simply another piece of terminology. Slush box implies it's slow, unresponsive and imprecise - which is why I pointed out that mine wasn't.
Stand down - I'm not looking for a fight