The jab ..

Poll Poll Will you take the COVID jab

  • Of course

    Votes: 158 79.0%

  • Hell no

    Votes: 18 9.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 5.5%

  • After results of first round are known

    Votes: 13 6.5%
  • Total voters
    200
mgrlane said:
I agree [ref]john-e89[/ref],

There is so much unknown and misinformation on either side so it's very hard to wade through all the BS to come to a decision.

My argument here is simply that you should be able to have the choice to make you own decision. With respect we don't know for sure if having this jab will stop you from spreading the virus or having already had the virus will stop you from spreading the virus. There is not the information out there.

The secret to good business is knowing your audience and it's clear that 5% on here don't want to take it and the other 95% are not sure or will. If you took that across the population then that's heard immunity for you 100%.

I am not trying to convince anyone on here to not take it (can you say the same the other way round?) but simply trying to say let the people decide.

Is that such a bad thing?
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I do understand your viewpoint, obvs it’s your choice what to put into your own body, however I think you're wrong and I really do hope you don’t get the virus as as I’ve said you have no idea how you’d react if you did, I know you’ll say you don’t know how you’d react if with the jab either but we’ve been over that already so that’s that done. You think I’m wrong also which is fair comment so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Do stay safe though. :thumbsup:
 
Interesting views so far.

I would certainly rather have a Pfizer manufactured jab than what will no doubt happen, a cheap Indian alternative in the future ...
For that matter, not that keen on the AstraZeneca / Oxford one either looking at their data and testing issues so "whose" jab will make a difference to me as well.

I hope we do have a choice in which one we can have rather than whatever is available.
 
mgrlane said:
john-e89 said:
mgrlane said:
I agree [ref]john-e89[/ref],

There is so much unknown and misinformation on either side so it's very hard to wade through all the BS to come to a decision.

My argument here is simply that you should be able to have the choice to make you own decision. With respect we don't know for sure if having this jab will stop you from spreading the virus or having already had the virus will stop you from spreading the virus. There is not the information out there.

The secret to good business is knowing your audience and it's clear that 5% on here don't want to take it and the other 95% are not sure or will. If you took that across the population then that's heard immunity for you 100%.

I am not trying to convince anyone on here to not take it (can you say the same the other way round?) but simply trying to say let the people decide.

Is that such a bad thing?
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I do understand your viewpoint, obvs it’s your choice what to put into your own body, however I think you're wrong and I really do hope you don’t get the virus as as I’ve said you have no idea how you’d react if you did, I know you’ll say you don’t know how you’d react if with the jab either but we’ve been over that already so that’s that done. You think I’m wrong also which is fair comment so we'll just have to agree to disagree. Do stay safe though. :thumbsup:
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100% I wouldn't wish it on anyone, well may be hitler- I hope you all say safe.

Like I have said all along I would take the jab if the numbers were not in my favour (just as I would also take the flu jab too) my position on this is fluid- I would certainly encourage my grandmother to take it. My 60-65 year old healthy parents - we haven't discussed it. I think my mum won't but I am sure Dad will. Do I think they should- probably, maybe- not going to put pressure on them either way.

For now, I will sit back, watch and observe- you never know an extra finger or two might be handy for BeeEmm for when he/she using a keyboard for typing the yawn face emoji :poke:
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I can understand your view and have no issue in you not wanting the jab. Not knowing how long the jab lasts is of course something that might make it all redundant of course as if it is a yearly thing, the infrastructure would struggle to keep all the risks groups into the vaccine without even contemplating moving it to the young and healthy.

Having worked with Pfizer for 22 years I am very familiar with the processes in there and have seen many factories and labs from them. I would therefore be confident in the quality in their product, unlike some others which I mentioned before.

Going back to the flu jab, that is the jab that turned my wife off those for life due to a serious reaction to it one year which was denied by all medics that it could be caused by the jab until one locom GP finally agreed and even showed it to her from his medical books that it was possible. It took the trust away from what "they" said about it being safe and their denials that they could have caused months of misery for her.

What is up by the way with the yawn thing?
 
pvr said:
What is up by the way with the yawn thing?
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For me, the thread reached the point where is was repeating the same things. I kept returning to it, expecting a different viewpoint but the same people were inserting the same text with very little to add. It just got boring, but I am still returning looking for the different viewpoint. I have just thought of one. I hope nobody says it to me. :o
 
BeeEmm said:
pvr said:
What is up by the way with the yawn thing?
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For me, the thread reached the point where is was repeating the same things. I kept returning to it, expecting a different viewpoint but the same people were inserting the same text with very little to add. It just got boring, but I am still returning looking for the different viewpoint. I have just though of one. I nobody says it to me. :o
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No fuckers making you read it all BeeEmm..... :poke:
 
Well it's only a couple of jabs.
For two pins, I'd have it. :)
May feel a bit of a prick though. :roll:
 
enuff_zed said:
Well it's only a couple of jabs.
For two pins, I'd have it. :)
May feel a bit of a prick though. :roll:
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Glad to see an injection of puns here tbh, the whole thing was becoming a bit sharp :poke:
 
Flyingfifer said:
enuff_zed said:
Well it's only a couple of jabs.
For two pins, I'd have it. :)
May feel a bit of a prick though. :roll:
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Glad to see an injection of puns here tbh, the whole thing was becoming a bit sharp :poke:
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I don't know why we all keep giving each other needle?
 
mgrlane said:
[ref]pvr[/ref],

Interesting. Like you said before we are all such complex human beings. A nut to someone is a heathy snack and poison to someone else. Got to think about how much good the jab has done to the elderly population on the whole over the years.

What's you gut feeling on the length of protection from the jab? I know it's the million dollar question and I hope that it's "forever" but from a capitalist standpoint it would be fantastic for shareholders if you needed a booster every 6 months.
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I am not a medic so have no idea on the length of it. I do need a budget for my new contract so not only shareholders would benefit from a repeating process :D

But to be honest, Lipitor is much more beneficial for the company as that is a daily perscription for life which is why Warner Lambert was purchased.
 
mgrlane said:
Flyingfifer said:
enuff_zed said:
Well it's only a couple of jabs.
For two pins, I'd have it. :)
May feel a bit of a prick though. :roll:
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Glad to see an injection of puns here tbh, the whole thing was becoming a bit sharp :poke:
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I don't know why we all keep giving each other needle?
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Well, there's no 'arm in it. :wink:
 
You had to make it through to at least 8 weeks in the UK before you could get the Diphtheria and Polio vaccines, so prior to that you were vulnerable to both.

You were not fully protected from polio until you'd had the third dose of the vaccine, which is about 6yrs in the UK, so again you've benefited from the "herd protection" because nearly everyone else has had the vaccine.

I don't care about you personally, you can have or not have the covid vaccine or not, whatever, but from a public health perspective, if everyone has the same "I'm alright Jack" approach (not having a dig, it's just a figure of speech!) then the risk to the population in general is higher than it needs to be.

Does that clarify my opinion a bit?



mgrlane said:
I believe I have had vax's for the above so if you and I were in the same room and you had them I would be perfectly happy with my chances and being there with you.

It doesn't really matter if generations before me had those vax's if I am protected from the jabs that I have had- unless they don't work? The reasons why we are seeing a resurgence of some of these illness is people who haven't been vax'd for them are catching them- not the children that have had the vax?

So would you be happy with people that have already had the covid virus not having the covid vax? Will that fit in socially for you?

On the same token say you had one of your children that has had whooping cough vaccinated for whooping cough?

I don't see the difference or effect I will have on you if you get the vax and I don't. If you believe it's the answer then get yourself done and don't worry about me as you will be safe.

The strangest thing that I can see from these conversations is people imposing there own will on other people to have the jab. If you and all your family are covered and you cant catch it from people that have had it then perhaps just let them be?
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The biggest concern out of all of this for me is the encroaching authoritarianism of the government, the idea of covid vaccine "passports" is utterly horrifying to me. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:

I did find it very entertaining that all of a sudden COVID wasnt a problem in the US when the riots were happening and creepy sleepy joe "won" the election :rofl:
 
I wonder what the reason is for not giving to kids or pregnant women?
Is it just because they have no knowledge of possible side effects that could occur or something else?
Also what about women (or men , cant leave them out) who get pregnant shortly after having the vaccine? Is there concerns there?
 
Nictrix said:
I wonder what the reason is for not giving to kids or pregnant women?
Is it just because they have no knowledge of possible side effects that could occur or something else?
Also what about women (or men , cant leave them out) who get pregnant shortly after having the vaccine? Is there concerns there?
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What about pregnant men? :poke: :rofl:
 
Flyingfifer said:
Nictrix said:
I wonder what the reason is for not giving to kids or pregnant women?
Is it just because they have no knowledge of possible side effects that could occur or something else?
Also what about women (or men , cant leave them out) who get pregnant shortly after having the vaccine? Is there concerns there?
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What about pregnant men? :poke: :rofl:
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I included them in brackets :)
 
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