Personally I’m screwed either way....looked after myself my whole life, never smoked, don’t drink heavily, ex competitive swimmer, but long term misdiagnosed AF and a botched heart op has left me with some health issues and little choice, if I got Covid who knows...? If the vaccine is bogus who knows. I’ll take my chances on the vaccine....Covid is going nowehere....
The jab ..
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would you think that when the vaccine gets going, it'll just be administered to the elderly yearly along with the flu jab (possibly combined with the flu jab - this is the first vaccination against a coronavirus after all)?
and then once all the highest risk people in this country are vaccinated, we can open up the UK again. and then once all the highest risk people in europe are vaccinated, we'll be allowed to travel there again, without them fearing that we will be bringing the virus over with us (which the under 50s will be). if 90% of the deaths from COVID are from over 75s, then once they're all vaccinated deaths are cut by 90%. vaccinate all the over 65s and deaths are cut by 99% or whatever.
doesnt really matter if the virus is still around if all the highest risk groups are protected from it. i suspect that i wont get vaccinated against it for 10 years or more, during which time i'll probably catch it a couple of times and recover from it, like the flu. my wife might get vaccinated a bit sooner (medically vulnerable, so she had the flu jab this year) so she will probably never catch it.
and then once all the highest risk people in this country are vaccinated, we can open up the UK again. and then once all the highest risk people in europe are vaccinated, we'll be allowed to travel there again, without them fearing that we will be bringing the virus over with us (which the under 50s will be). if 90% of the deaths from COVID are from over 75s, then once they're all vaccinated deaths are cut by 90%. vaccinate all the over 65s and deaths are cut by 99% or whatever.
doesnt really matter if the virus is still around if all the highest risk groups are protected from it. i suspect that i wont get vaccinated against it for 10 years or more, during which time i'll probably catch it a couple of times and recover from it, like the flu. my wife might get vaccinated a bit sooner (medically vulnerable, so she had the flu jab this year) so she will probably never catch it.
brillomaster said:
Spot on.
I think it's a the best situation for the country. Shield the vulnerable until they have protection and then let the kids make their own decisions.
If you want to live in a world where you can force people to take the jab's I here China is very nice this time of year.
I have heard for and against arguments lots of times before and the format is pretty much the same. Here are some: 'Not enough proof that it is effective in it's claims', 'if you make it compulsory, it infringes my rights', 'it cuts into my breasts' I am a Sikh and I cannot get it over my Turban, It will stop people going to church, Sunday is for worship, If you make it legal, it will be the end of the Human Race.
Is it the fact that you have a choice that is the problem. Where are the risk takers? Do you enjoy telling people that you will not take the 'shot' because you like confrontation? Will you just get on with your life and not tell anyone if you have or have not? :wink:
Is it the fact that you have a choice that is the problem. Where are the risk takers? Do you enjoy telling people that you will not take the 'shot' because you like confrontation? Will you just get on with your life and not tell anyone if you have or have not? :wink:
Are we surprised the know all type are going to refuse the vaccine and are willing to go around infecting others who might have had the vaccine but it has not worked for them,as it’s not guaranteed to work for everybody.I would like to see them banned from attending hospitals and other area’s where vulnerable people might be present.
I will be getting the vaccine when it becomes available ,we need to get back to some normality as soon as possible.
I will be getting the vaccine when it becomes available ,we need to get back to some normality as soon as possible.
[ref]BeeEmm[/ref],
Funny thing is if I was 70+, or fat, smoked all my life, had diabetes or was in any form of "high risk" group I would be 1st in line for it.
However, the would not even cross my mind, nor wind me up at all if you took it or not. Which is what amuses me that "you" (not you personally) think that you have any form of right to dictate or look down on me for my lifestyle choice when the realities are it has no impact on you what so ever.
If you want to have a chat about risk taking I am more than happy to explain it that way. I run my own business and I am not shy of taking calculated risks.
For me personally the risk/reward ratio is not there. Why would I bother with a jab that I have (my own estimate here) 99.99% chance of survival from if I got it- based on there being over 64,502,620 million cases (obviously more) vs the risk of a vaccine that has been trialed on 41k people, incidentally the 1st RNA vax that has ever been passed in the shortest time ever (9 months was it?)
There is no value in it for me at this time in my life. I am not an "anti-vaxer" or "selfish" as people try to make out- just a person who want's to do best for his family.
The fact that you don't think we should have the choice is the problem BeeEmm. I dont enjoy telling people that I will not take the 'shot' because you like confrontation (I wish I hadn't mentioned it on here tbf) and I will do anything within my power not to take it but I suspect that I will be forced to and I will be more than happy to discuss this should I be.
Funny thing is if I was 70+, or fat, smoked all my life, had diabetes or was in any form of "high risk" group I would be 1st in line for it.
However, the would not even cross my mind, nor wind me up at all if you took it or not. Which is what amuses me that "you" (not you personally) think that you have any form of right to dictate or look down on me for my lifestyle choice when the realities are it has no impact on you what so ever.
If you want to have a chat about risk taking I am more than happy to explain it that way. I run my own business and I am not shy of taking calculated risks.
For me personally the risk/reward ratio is not there. Why would I bother with a jab that I have (my own estimate here) 99.99% chance of survival from if I got it- based on there being over 64,502,620 million cases (obviously more) vs the risk of a vaccine that has been trialed on 41k people, incidentally the 1st RNA vax that has ever been passed in the shortest time ever (9 months was it?)
There is no value in it for me at this time in my life. I am not an "anti-vaxer" or "selfish" as people try to make out- just a person who want's to do best for his family.
The fact that you don't think we should have the choice is the problem BeeEmm. I dont enjoy telling people that I will not take the 'shot' because you like confrontation (I wish I hadn't mentioned it on here tbf) and I will do anything within my power not to take it but I suspect that I will be forced to and I will be more than happy to discuss this should I be.
not a real advocate of vaccinations and have never even had a flue jab but will be waiting in the queue when it becomes available - my wife and I are both 72 and are lucky not to have any underlying health conditions - we have 4 grown up children and 7 grandchildren and have not seen them for a year because of Covid - also missed our usual Greek fix this year - at our age life is too short to miss another year of visiting grandchildren and going on holiday so yes will definitely have the jab ! we are fortunate to live on the IOW under Tier 1 so hopefully will be okay till vaccinations are rolled out here.
I am not an anti-vaxer either (I have not visited a pub or restaurant since March so am not one of these people who just jump in when restrictions are lifted) but am concerned about this one and you have mentioned one of the reasons here.mgrlane said:
The vaccine has been rushed through. You are being told that you must get it. But the people who are rushing it through and telling you to get it are the same people who are going to make a fortune out of this vaccine. Its all a bit too easy and thats before you start reading into mass sterilization and Bill Gates etc. If our MPs didnt have shares in all these companies I would feel a bit more comfortable about it.
mgrlane
I was not taking a 'dig' at you personally but a gentle jibe at the whole system of something we are advised to take or do which is regarded as a huge change from the normal. Very few people like change.
Me, I am over 70, fit and healthy, drive every day, even during lockdown, where I was doing essential work on my other house near Barnard Castle (thanks John E89) but didn't mix with anyone. I have not had the slightest concern during this pandemic, but do wear masks when I have to. I will wait my turn for the vaccine because there will be millions of people of all ages, who need it before me. My plans to explore Europe in my car starting in April this year were scuppered due to the pandemic, but I am not angry or upset. It is a bloody pandemic after all and we have to adjust. My life has changed very little over the past 8 months because I have retired from work, so I regard myself as lucky as my income will not alter. I intend to live until I am a healthy 103 so I have thirty years in front of me. Cheers
I was not taking a 'dig' at you personally but a gentle jibe at the whole system of something we are advised to take or do which is regarded as a huge change from the normal. Very few people like change.
Me, I am over 70, fit and healthy, drive every day, even during lockdown, where I was doing essential work on my other house near Barnard Castle (thanks John E89) but didn't mix with anyone. I have not had the slightest concern during this pandemic, but do wear masks when I have to. I will wait my turn for the vaccine because there will be millions of people of all ages, who need it before me. My plans to explore Europe in my car starting in April this year were scuppered due to the pandemic, but I am not angry or upset. It is a bloody pandemic after all and we have to adjust. My life has changed very little over the past 8 months because I have retired from work, so I regard myself as lucky as my income will not alter. I intend to live until I am a healthy 103 so I have thirty years in front of me. Cheers
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When people say its been rushed through ergo its unsafe..
There is a duality..
a) with the whole world's economies broken till there is a cure why wouldn't you rush? Its costing the world (that's us) billions per day globally..
b) what most people don't realise is the phenomenal progress in biotech engineering over the last 45 years.. it took till 1976 to sequence the first virus, it only took 11 days to do the first COVID sequence..
The guys with the RNA based vaccine are using a technique that man first used in 1995..RNA editing happens all the time in nature since the dawn of life..in part that's how life has evolved..
COVID 19 is a relatively easy to understand structure as it belongs to a family of viruses man has studied since 1933..
Biotech tools allow the cross over of computing and biology to allow us to emulate and predict how altering proteins and other building blocks wil affect outcomes..computing such problems becomes easier with exponential increases in power (Moore's law states that computers double in power every 18 months, held true since the 1960s) and new techniques like AI to de-code complex protein structures..
Some observers estimate that more / similar effort has been expended on COVID research in less than 1 year than the USA did on the moonshots in over a decade..
So its not easy..if we were in 1980 without the bio technlogies we have today then we would be in for a 20 year haul..
So some well connected people will make money out of these 'opportunities'.. well connected people make money out of many other areas..is that a reason to not take a treatment?
There is a duality..
a) with the whole world's economies broken till there is a cure why wouldn't you rush? Its costing the world (that's us) billions per day globally..
b) what most people don't realise is the phenomenal progress in biotech engineering over the last 45 years.. it took till 1976 to sequence the first virus, it only took 11 days to do the first COVID sequence..
The guys with the RNA based vaccine are using a technique that man first used in 1995..RNA editing happens all the time in nature since the dawn of life..in part that's how life has evolved..
COVID 19 is a relatively easy to understand structure as it belongs to a family of viruses man has studied since 1933..
Biotech tools allow the cross over of computing and biology to allow us to emulate and predict how altering proteins and other building blocks wil affect outcomes..computing such problems becomes easier with exponential increases in power (Moore's law states that computers double in power every 18 months, held true since the 1960s) and new techniques like AI to de-code complex protein structures..
Some observers estimate that more / similar effort has been expended on COVID research in less than 1 year than the USA did on the moonshots in over a decade..
So its not easy..if we were in 1980 without the bio technlogies we have today then we would be in for a 20 year haul..
So some well connected people will make money out of these 'opportunities'.. well connected people make money out of many other areas..is that a reason to not take a treatment?
Being that my sister is 45. Was healthy and fit . Young family and her own happy life going well. To get the virus and has now been told she has an incurable blood disorder and liver problem , to which we dont know if this will seriously affect her lifespan as yet , I think that some might think again about not having this jab.
My neighbours friend and wife both caught it. Both early 60's. She was rough for a week. They turned his life support off 2 months later. Its obscure on how it affects some in different ways. They were both healthy people, yet one was killed by it.
Another friend has friends who gave it all up to live in Corsica in a mobile thing. Husband caught it, she has to sort out bringing him home in a box.
None of the above are/ were in the higher risk categories.
I for one obviously am very worried about my younger sister and her 3 kids and husband who could potentially loose some one so close.
Its a wake up call to those who may think they dont get unwell. This doesnt seem to be like a run of the mill cold/ flu.
Hope that no one has to look forward to supporting others who loose family / friends and for the sake of a jab, makes it safer for all , as you may be carrying this and not realise you do.
My neighbours friend and wife both caught it. Both early 60's. She was rough for a week. They turned his life support off 2 months later. Its obscure on how it affects some in different ways. They were both healthy people, yet one was killed by it.
Another friend has friends who gave it all up to live in Corsica in a mobile thing. Husband caught it, she has to sort out bringing him home in a box.
None of the above are/ were in the higher risk categories.
I for one obviously am very worried about my younger sister and her 3 kids and husband who could potentially loose some one so close.
Its a wake up call to those who may think they dont get unwell. This doesnt seem to be like a run of the mill cold/ flu.
Hope that no one has to look forward to supporting others who loose family / friends and for the sake of a jab, makes it safer for all , as you may be carrying this and not realise you do.
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