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john-e89 said:
Me too John, 52, cleanish, healthyish lifestyle, non-smoker, non-drinker but an auto immune disease diagnosed at 38 fecked that with great aplomb
My consultant was on the phone today and while on we had a brief chat about this as he reckons I’m in phase 2 for the vaccine (well he’s already identified me as that so he told me)
He repeated again today that I have realistically two choices, go with the vaccine when offered it hope my system accepts it ok and try to get back to some normality, or two, don’t get it, take my chances and there’s a very high likelihood that if I contract it, it’d kill me. He’s been saying that since day one.
So for me personally it’s a simple case of where do I sign up for it. I’ll take the gamble with the associated risks as they’re much less than the risks of not taking it
Argyll Andy said:john-e89 said:
Me too John, 52, cleanish, healthyish lifestyle, non-smoker, non-drinker but an auto immune disease diagnosed at 38 fecked that with great aplomb
My consultant was on the phone today and while on we had a brief chat about this as he reckons I’m in phase 2 for the vaccine (well he’s already identified me as that so he told me)
He repeated again today that I have realistically two choices, go with the vaccine when offered it hope my system accepts it ok and try to get back to some normality, or two, don’t get it, take my chances and there’s a very high likelihood that if I contract it, it’d kill me. He’s been saying that since day one.
So for me personally it’s a simple case of where do I sign up for it. I’ll take the gamble with the associated risks as they’re much less than the risks of not taking it
I’m sorry to read that Andy, truly. But yes, what choice do we have, and I’d rather listen to those in the know that are genuine rather than skirting round the issue listening to each and every mouthpiece going that has concerns without the knowledge of what they’re spouting and relying on not much frankly.
john-e89 said:
Cheers John. And yes what choice do we have........... none really
I trust my Consultant completely and if he says that my best chance, I’m taking his professional advice 100% as in reality that’s what’s kept me alive for the last 13 yrsjohn-e89 said:
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Stevo1987 said:I did. There have been quite a few flu pandemics that are not dissimilar to Covid 19 pandemic. I guess it depends on one's own comparison criteria.john-e89 said:Stevo1987 said:
Stevo it isn’t....it simply isn’t. Research it mate.
How many flu patients under 60 develop life changing effects from it..? For that matter how many over 60’s...? And we only have less than a years worth of data for Covid. Anyway, we all have our own concerns on what’s right or wrong.
Dunno, you tell me, taking into account previous flu pandemics?john-e89 said:Stevo1987 said:I did. There have been quite a few flu pandemics that are not dissimilar to Covid 19 pandemic. I guess it depends on one's own comparison criteria.john-e89 said:Stevo it isn’t....it simply isn’t. Research it mate.
How many flu patients under 60 develop life changing effects from it..? For that matter how many over 60’s...? And we only have less than a years worth of data for Covid. Anyway, we all have our own concerns on what’s right or wrong.
mgrlane said:
No ones had the vaccine yet full stop.....it hasn’t reached the country yet....possibly tomorrow.... :?
It’s too early to say when or who under 50’s will have it, they have to see what happens first. Children will naturally be the very last to get it as they don’t die from it.
Another soon to be 73 with diabetes (2) and previous a/f who can’t wait for the jab and getting back to some sort of normality - we have been assured all the protocols have been observed during the process.
I would rather trust opinion from the seriously well qualified boffins than any armchair theorists !
I would rather trust opinion from the seriously well qualified boffins than any armchair theorists !
I trust the system. I run trials and feasibility studies - and the main reason these things take time is the red tape and bureaucracy! It can take 6-9 months just to get ethical approval for your study after they make sure all is in order. Then you need to recruit - easier said than done! Some times it takes AGES to recruit enough people to make your results statistically significant - getting volunteers ‘usually’ is not as easy as you would think! Finally, when you have your data you need to crunch the numbers, submit your results for publication, go through peer review etc. It’s for these reasons it usually takes a long time!
But look what’s happened here ... most probably the ethics application and study protocols where prioritised and dealt with ahead of anything else by the ethics panels. They would have had no shortage of volunteers to recruit. The numbers were being crunched in real-time as clearly this is a priority - and when enough data came in to show a statistically significant result I bet it didn’t take more than a few weeks to have the results collated and peer reviewed and published.
So the vaccine wasn’t “rushed through” by cutting corners, rather all the bullsh*t red tape and bureaucracy were moved out the way, the study was green lighted and prioritised and for the rest everything was done ‘by the book’.
I know for a fact that since before March, the scientists at Porton Down that work in this area are the main ones there who are working night and day on this, similarly there are labs around the country (world) working on this. So it’s hardly surprising is it!
It’s amazing how Facebook/ YouTube/ etc have a lot to answer in making life so hard for many through fake news and bullshit.
Incidentally if you want an interesting read, take a look at the book “Calling Bullshit” (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241327237/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_QmeYFbR2K45WC ) - the authors actually teach an undergraduate module on this at Stanford in the US (IIRC)!
But look what’s happened here ... most probably the ethics application and study protocols where prioritised and dealt with ahead of anything else by the ethics panels. They would have had no shortage of volunteers to recruit. The numbers were being crunched in real-time as clearly this is a priority - and when enough data came in to show a statistically significant result I bet it didn’t take more than a few weeks to have the results collated and peer reviewed and published.
So the vaccine wasn’t “rushed through” by cutting corners, rather all the bullsh*t red tape and bureaucracy were moved out the way, the study was green lighted and prioritised and for the rest everything was done ‘by the book’.
I know for a fact that since before March, the scientists at Porton Down that work in this area are the main ones there who are working night and day on this, similarly there are labs around the country (world) working on this. So it’s hardly surprising is it!
It’s amazing how Facebook/ YouTube/ etc have a lot to answer in making life so hard for many through fake news and bullshit.
Incidentally if you want an interesting read, take a look at the book “Calling Bullshit” (https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/0241327237/ref=cm_sw_em_r_mt_dp_QmeYFbR2K45WC ) - the authors actually teach an undergraduate module on this at Stanford in the US (IIRC)!
If we carried on without a vaccine what would we then have to rely on? Eventual heard immunity? Survival of the young and fittest? If you don't agree with the scientists just look back at history. Only a hundred years back, H1N1. Its documented how Spanish Flu ravaged the world. With far less globalisation at the time too.
I will trust the scientists and boffins developing the vaccines, as these technologies have also moved on massively. Frankly I don't think I have a choice. Taking your chances with the virus doesn't sound like a wise move if you are over 50. Which seems to be the priority for immunisation.
Those under 50 will benefit from the fact that there will be even more data available if and when they are asked to get the jabs. Any longer term issues that people throw up like birth defects etc, due to no data or testing on pregnant women, wont really be an issue in the older generation. I could understand caution in younger groups but getting us old farts immunised will help you get your lives back at least.
I will trust the scientists and boffins developing the vaccines, as these technologies have also moved on massively. Frankly I don't think I have a choice. Taking your chances with the virus doesn't sound like a wise move if you are over 50. Which seems to be the priority for immunisation.
Those under 50 will benefit from the fact that there will be even more data available if and when they are asked to get the jabs. Any longer term issues that people throw up like birth defects etc, due to no data or testing on pregnant women, wont really be an issue in the older generation. I could understand caution in younger groups but getting us old farts immunised will help you get your lives back at least.
mgrlane said:
The suing culture is alive, well and prospering very nicely. How many false claims and time, money taken up do you think would happen without it...? There is a £120,000 indemnity insurance by the vaccine damages payments act listed in the article you highlighted. There will inevitably be one or two that have side effects, that’s natural, can’t be helped, I’m allergic to penicillin, it’s no different to that, but that’s what the indemnity is for.
All the younger people who think they have no need to partake in any vaccination programme to ensure that all the older members of society do not succumb to C-19 infection, with serious symptoms and possibly death, are just utterly selfish. Plain and simple.
They seem to have overlooked the other vaccination programmes, from which they now benefit, in which the present older generations have taken part when we were much younger; such as those for pertussis (whooping cough) and tuberculosis in addition to smallpox, diphtheria and Polio, all of which had been relatively common diseases prior to those vaccination programmes. Then we've had the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella) and Mengingitis vaccination programmes etc. See: https://peopleshistorynhs.org/encyclopaedia/childhood-vaccination-and-the-nhs/
I'm sure that the selfish will readily submit to vaccination for Yellow Fever and other tropical diseases whenever they wish to go on foreign holidays in places where such diseases are prevalent.
They seem to have overlooked the other vaccination programmes, from which they now benefit, in which the present older generations have taken part when we were much younger; such as those for pertussis (whooping cough) and tuberculosis in addition to smallpox, diphtheria and Polio, all of which had been relatively common diseases prior to those vaccination programmes. Then we've had the MMR (Measles, Mumps and Rubella) and Mengingitis vaccination programmes etc. See: https://peopleshistorynhs.org/encyclopaedia/childhood-vaccination-and-the-nhs/
I'm sure that the selfish will readily submit to vaccination for Yellow Fever and other tropical diseases whenever they wish to go on foreign holidays in places where such diseases are prevalent.