I have to say I was never a massive fan of the 1M. I was astounded by its depreciation performance in the market. If you read between the lines it was criticised for a lot of the same things the Z4MC was (harsh ride and unruly over poorly made up roads) yet the critics fawned over it. It was produced in similar volumes, had very similar performance. Just goes to show the power of hype (longest staged reveal of a car by a manufacturer apart from Jag with the F Type) and the media. No wonder the car journos get all of those freebies and jollies.
So what do you think of the new M2?
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original guvnor said:
totally agree and the engines just aren't what they used to be tbh.....
but hopefully they aren't a fragile either.... i love my s54 and i don't think bmw will better it in S-6 form anyway but theirs always the nag something costly is around the corner! its worth it however... I'm starting to get TVR mentality.
I quite like it, primarily because its size is more ideal for being a city m car, it's a shrunken m4 which is cool as the m4 is just a little too long wide for city living.
From a handlin perspective the shorter wheelbase will probably make it more 'agile' which equates to more fun to the oversteery crew, as the 235i has already shown.
As with the auto industry trend it is designed and costed to fill a void, it will be a fit for someone out there, there's nothing like variation, and drives more brand marketing until the new z4m.
Not everything is about performance, surely 0-62 in 4.5 is fast enough, but 7.58 round the ring is a bit slow, but that's not the point, it's obviously going to be a barrel of fun and as with the m4 will be someone's bargain after 3 yrs, maybe even me
From a handlin perspective the shorter wheelbase will probably make it more 'agile' which equates to more fun to the oversteery crew, as the 235i has already shown.
As with the auto industry trend it is designed and costed to fill a void, it will be a fit for someone out there, there's nothing like variation, and drives more brand marketing until the new z4m.
Not everything is about performance, surely 0-62 in 4.5 is fast enough, but 7.58 round the ring is a bit slow, but that's not the point, it's obviously going to be a barrel of fun and as with the m4 will be someone's bargain after 3 yrs, maybe even me
Not a eureka moment at all. I knew coming into ownership it was overpowered but you couldnt get the coupe in less than the 3l so ...
It was the same with my old E24 635Csi - yes I could have tried to find a 628i but I wanted one of the last cars and they are few and far between so again..
I avoid driving in central london like the plague, but I cant be the only person who finds traffic everywhere they go. Yes I do live inside the M25 but surely all these A roads have commuters on them more than 60% of the time.
Being a petrol head doesnt have to all be about power? I dont think everyone on here is like Jeremy Clarkson. There are other factors.
I get that if you want to feel the power you can get up at 5am on a Saturday or find a particular quiet road somewhere to race, but to me I dont get why your own vehicle would be for that? I would doubt that would be its use more than 5/10% of the year? Having said that I have the same though process about the Roadsters....
But thats just me! Anyway, back to the topic. I dont like the look of the 2 series either.
It was the same with my old E24 635Csi - yes I could have tried to find a 628i but I wanted one of the last cars and they are few and far between so again..
I avoid driving in central london like the plague, but I cant be the only person who finds traffic everywhere they go. Yes I do live inside the M25 but surely all these A roads have commuters on them more than 60% of the time.
Being a petrol head doesnt have to all be about power? I dont think everyone on here is like Jeremy Clarkson. There are other factors.
I get that if you want to feel the power you can get up at 5am on a Saturday or find a particular quiet road somewhere to race, but to me I dont get why your own vehicle would be for that? I would doubt that would be its use more than 5/10% of the year? Having said that I have the same though process about the Roadsters....
But thats just me! Anyway, back to the topic. I dont like the look of the 2 series either.
Carol M said:
I get your point but those things are not excessive (except perhaps the Rolex, which I agree with). I do think some people just go for excess in life.
By the seaside...
Personally, I'm not sure if I like the styling or not and I'll reserve opinion until I've seen one in the flesh (metal?)
On the subject of size, I think it's just about perfect - because of the inflationary tendencies in BMW's range, give or take a few mm, the current 3/4 series cars are the same size as my old E39 5-series whereas the current 1/2 series are the same size as my old E36 3-series so, IMO, and ignoring the styling aspects, they're more like a descendent of the classic M3s than the current M3/4 models are
On the subject of size, I think it's just about perfect - because of the inflationary tendencies in BMW's range, give or take a few mm, the current 3/4 series cars are the same size as my old E39 5-series whereas the current 1/2 series are the same size as my old E36 3-series so, IMO, and ignoring the styling aspects, they're more like a descendent of the classic M3s than the current M3/4 models are
GuidoK said:
original guvnor said:
I'd spend 28k on a second hand m235 and 400 quid on a 377 bhp remap
Think it looks pretty nice, not 100% on the seats but the rest of it...
Now how hard would it be to put the drivetrain into the Z4
Now how hard would it be to put the drivetrain into the Z4
i like the look of the m2, also like the idea of a st fiesta! (faster than a 1.0)
this would appeal to me as i like the overall size of the car. i always liked the 1coupe and feel a 3 is a bit big. but if its juts a bit of a let down M3 then why not buy a couple of yr old m3 thats just lost a bit of cash and is a better car.
what i dont get is the smoking tyre launch control. so launch control was created to stop smoking tyres and get the perfect launch but then people get bored as there is not wheel spin so they computer generate it such that there is wheel spin...... whats wrong with just mashing the throttle and dumping the clutch? lol
this would appeal to me as i like the overall size of the car. i always liked the 1coupe and feel a 3 is a bit big. but if its juts a bit of a let down M3 then why not buy a couple of yr old m3 thats just lost a bit of cash and is a better car.
what i dont get is the smoking tyre launch control. so launch control was created to stop smoking tyres and get the perfect launch but then people get bored as there is not wheel spin so they computer generate it such that there is wheel spin...... whats wrong with just mashing the throttle and dumping the clutch? lol
GuidoK said:First of all hope that there will be a new z4 generation. The sales are very bad.jimmybell said:
The marketing attention that the z4 got (mostly gt3 racing) did not result in special models (z4m or otherwise)
Z4 sales are bad? It's probably the second most common BMW i see on the roads?
Sales maybe bad this year because... its a ridiculously old model over-refreshed and not replaced.
Sales have been low for a while (years). In fact I believe that overall sales have been bad too, little over half of the previous generation or so.
Especially US sales are extremely low compared to the e85 generation. And that's bad as the US cars are usually the higher specced cars with bigger engines and more options, so these are more profitable to sell as margins are much higher on those.
Especially US sales are extremely low compared to the e85 generation. And that's bad as the US cars are usually the higher specced cars with bigger engines and more options, so these are more profitable to sell as margins are much higher on those.
Sales have been really, REALLY bad. That's why there isn't even a sniff of a new model. It's been out the same length of time now as the E85 too. You see spy photos of a new model at least 18 months before it launches and we've seen nothing about a new Z4.
I think it looks significantly better than the M235i, more muscular, I bet it will be a lot of fun.
Interestingly isn't it about the same weight as the Z4M coupe but with a lot more torque. Haven't you M guys discussed where you go from the Z4M isn't this a natural successor, just a shame it's coupe only
Interestingly isn't it about the same weight as the Z4M coupe but with a lot more torque. Haven't you M guys discussed where you go from the Z4M isn't this a natural successor, just a shame it's coupe only