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[TitanTim]

So? That’s just because there’s a lot less of you, if you catch it you’re much more likely to become seriously ill than a vaccinated person though.
Rob

Completely agree Rob and why I've never being able to get my head around those who deny the vaccine because they think they will be ok and fine if they unfortunately catch it, something you simply can't predict. Whilst being in a younger age bracket seems to help its no guarantee you won't become seriously ill or suffer from long covid. Its like playing russian roulette which ones health, still its their health, just unfortunaley it has a knock on affect for others which can be pretty much avoided.

If I was an unvaccinated person at this moment it time considering all restrictions being lifted tomorrow I would be quite worried and in many ways you're going to stay in a a kind of twilight world or just risk it and hope for the best. I certainly don't think your average Joe in the street will continue with the masking, social distancing, cleanliness etc after tomorrow, all that will simply go out the window next week.

Will be interesting to see what pans out over the next 2 months with positive cases shooting up and hospitilisations slowly creeping up albeight slowly.

Tim.

This is a serious question, the long covid that you mention, can you only get this if you are unvaccinated or can you also get this if you are vaccinated?

I think long covid is simply the luck of the draw so to speak, obviously if you're unvaccinated the risk is much higher. I don't think they know fully why some people go on to develop it, whether it's your immune system working overtime which starts attacking the body. From the little I know about it is you could still develop long covid once vaccinated but the risk is greatly reduced and very small.

Tim.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I think long covid is simply the luck of the draw so to speak, obviously if you're unvaccinated the risk is much higher. I don't think they know fully why some people go on to develop it, whether it's your immune system working overtime which starts attacking the body. From the little I know about it is you could still develop long covid once vaccinated but the risk is greatly reduced and very small.

Tim.

You got any proof or evidence or anything whatsoever to even remotely back that up? Or is it just a utterly factitious claim you just feel might be right? :thumbsdown:

Some say it has zero impact
Some say it cuts it by a third

Yet the "it has no impact" story is a month younger

 

[TitanTim]

I think long covid is simply the luck of the draw so to speak, obviously if you're unvaccinated the risk is much higher. I don't think they know fully why some people go on to develop it, whether it's your immune system working overtime which starts attacking the body. From the little I know about it is you could still develop long covid once vaccinated but the risk is greatly reduced and very small.

Tim.

You got any proof or evidence or anything whatsoever to even remotely back that up? Or is it just a utterly factitious claim you just feel might be right? :thumbsdown:

I said from what little I know, not claiming to be an expert in the least. Only reason I know is bits of information from a friend who is suffering from long covid. Seems there are lots of ideas and no definitive answers.

I think you just have to accept not withstanding all you have said, getting vaccinated is the way to go, no point in anyone constantly trying to dig up internet statistics to try and prove otherwise to make oneself feel better or less guilty or justifying in not accepting the vaccine.

Tim.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I think long covid is simply the luck of the draw so to speak, obviously if you're unvaccinated the risk is much higher. I don't think they know fully why some people go on to develop it, whether it's your immune system working overtime which starts attacking the body. From the little I know about it is you could still develop long covid once vaccinated but the risk is greatly reduced and very small.

Tim.

You got any proof or evidence or anything whatsoever to even remotely back that up? Or is it just a utterly factitious claim you just feel might be right? :thumbsdown:

I said from what little I know, not claiming to be an expert in the least. Only reason I know is bits of information from a friend who is suffering from long covid. Seems there are lots of ideas and no definitive answers.

I think you just have to accept not withstanding all you have said, getting vaccinated is the way to go, no point in anyone constantly trying to dig up internet statistics to try and prove otherwise to make oneself feel better or less guilty or justifying in not accepting the vaccine.

Tim.

So the proverbial fact out the arse, it's becoming a bad habit this Tim :thumbsdown:

 

[Nictrix]

Completely agree Rob and why I've never being able to get my head around those who deny the vaccine because they think they will be ok and fine if they unfortunately catch it, something you simply can't predict. Whilst being in a younger age bracket seems to help its no guarantee you won't become seriously ill or suffer from long covid. Its like playing russian roulette which ones health, still its their health, just unfortunaley it has a knock on affect for others which can be pretty much avoided.

If I was an unvaccinated person at this moment it time considering all restrictions being lifted tomorrow I would be quite worried and in many ways you're going to stay in a a kind of twilight world or just risk it and hope for the best. I certainly don't think your average Joe in the street will continue with the masking, social distancing, cleanliness etc after tomorrow, all that will simply go out the window next week.

Will be interesting to see what pans out over the next 2 months with positive cases shooting up and hospitilisations slowly creeping up albeight slowly.

Tim.

This is a serious question, the long covid that you mention, can you only get this if you are unvaccinated or can you also get this if you are vaccinated?

I think long covid is simply the luck of the draw so to speak, obviously if you're unvaccinated the risk is much higher. I don't think they know fully why some people go on to develop it, whether it's your immune system working overtime which starts attacking the body. From the little I know about it is you could still develop long covid once vaccinated but the risk is greatly reduced and very small.

Tim.

So although you have said you are not an expert the advice you would give someone in the younger age bracket is to take the vaccine as it may or may not be better for you.
So what a young person could take from that advice is that they should take the vaccine as it may or may not help with any covid symptoms or long lasting covid effects, but they may or may not also develop symptoms or long lasting effects from the vaccine that they did not have before.

 

[Flyingfifer]

So although you have said you are not an expert the advice you would give someone in the younger age bracket is to take the vaccine as it may or may not be better for you.
So what a young person could take from that advice is that they should take the vaccine as it may or may not help with any covid symptoms or long lasting covid effects, but they may or may not also develop symptoms or long lasting effects from the vaccine that they did not have before.

Think you're missing the point here mate, its MORALLY the RIGHT thing to do because its what Tim FEELs is right
All these inconvenient assumptions, assertions and unfounded claims are irrelevant when you feel like you're morally correct see

 

[TitanTim]

Yes morality does seem to be lacking somewhat out there :roll:

Shame :thumbsdown:

Tim.

 

[TitanTim]

This is a serious question, the long covid that you mention, can you only get this if you are unvaccinated or can you also get this if you are vaccinated?

I think long covid is simply the luck of the draw so to speak, obviously if you're unvaccinated the risk is much higher. I don't think they know fully why some people go on to develop it, whether it's your immune system working overtime which starts attacking the body. From the little I know about it is you could still develop long covid once vaccinated but the risk is greatly reduced and very small.

Tim.

So although you have said you are not an expert the advice you would give someone in the younger age bracket is to take the vaccine as it may or may not be better for you.
So what a young person could take from that advice is that they should take the vaccine as it may or may not help with any covid symptoms or long lasting covid effects, but they may or may not also develop symptoms or long lasting effects from the vaccine that they did not have before.

Exactly, it doesn't need an expert to know or advise anyone regardless of age that taking the vaccine is the way to go to minimise symptoms and potentially serious illness.

Common sense don't you think?

Tim.

 

[Nictrix]

I think long covid is simply the luck of the draw so to speak, obviously if you're unvaccinated the risk is much higher. I don't think they know fully why some people go on to develop it, whether it's your immune system working overtime which starts attacking the body. From the little I know about it is you could still develop long covid once vaccinated but the risk is greatly reduced and very small.

Tim.

So although you have said you are not an expert the advice you would give someone in the younger age bracket is to take the vaccine as it may or may not be better for you.
So what a young person could take from that advice is that they should take the vaccine as it may or may not help with any covid symptoms or long lasting covid effects, but they may or may not also develop symptoms or long lasting effects from the vaccine that they did not have before.

Exactly, it doesn't need an expert to know or advise anyone regardless of age that taking the vaccine is the way to go to minimise symptoms and potentially serious illness.

Common sense don't you think?

Tim.

Everybodys common sense is different, take everybody flocking to the beaches during lockdown for instance.
As for needing an expert, people have been slated on here for not being experts so I would be careful with that :lol:

 

[TitanTim]

So although you have said you are not an expert the advice you would give someone in the younger age bracket is to take the vaccine as it may or may not be better for you.
So what a young person could take from that advice is that they should take the vaccine as it may or may not help with any covid symptoms or long lasting covid effects, but they may or may not also develop symptoms or long lasting effects from the vaccine that they did not have before.

Exactly, it doesn't need an expert to know or advise anyone regardless of age that taking the vaccine is the way to go to minimise symptoms and potentially serious illness.

Common sense don't you think?

Tim.

Everybodys common sense is different, take everybody flocking to the beaches during lockdown for instance.
As for needing an expert, people have been slated on here for not being experts so I would be careful with that :lol:

I would never have expected wasp in a jam jar antics for not being an expert :lol:

Tim.

 

[Smartbear]

If you catch it you’re much more likely to become seriously ill than a vaccinated person though.

I don't think the young and healthy are "much more likely to become seriously ill" when they aren't very likely to become ill in the 1st place.

But if you have any links, studies or anything to the prove that theory, then I am all eyes and ears.

Agree with what you say there with regards the the over 70's and the immune compromised. Spot on.

I never mentioned the words “young & healthy” you did that, my post was aimed at anti-vaxers generally. The vaccine has proven its effectiveness with the low death rates now being registered on a day to day basis.
Rob

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Let's face it, the best possible outcome would be if every single person in the country caught it asap

I agree. I think it would be much better to get it now rather than winter flu season.

With regards to figures I agree but it's hard to fiddle them when it's two binary questions. Have you had a "vaccine" and are you infected.

I’d like to see the same graph but with the orange line displaying data for fully vaccinated people instead of just one jab.
Rob

I had a look but couldn't find one Rob.

Here is one from Israel who are a lot further down the line from us.

I know they didn't use the AZ but had the Pfizer.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

I said from what little I know, not claiming to be an expert in the least. Only reason I know is bits of information from a friend who is suffering from long covid. Seems there are lots of ideas and no definitive answers.

I think you just have to accept not withstanding all you have said, getting vaccinated is the way to go, no point in anyone constantly trying to dig up internet statistics to try and prove otherwise to make oneself feel better or less guilty or justifying in not accepting the vaccine.

Tim.

My partner has decided to get hers done yesterday. Her Dad sounds alot like you Tim and has been leaning on her. Basically said the same 1st sentence to her yesterday.

 

[Flyingfifer]

This is actually VERY interesting, those %s basically suggest that it is utterly irrelevant if you are jabbed or not you have the exact same chance of catching the virus

 

[sp3ctre]

The stats are more complicated than the media portray. Sounds like a lot of folks on here are pretty wise to it, but for the general public it is very confusing, and statements like "more cases in vaccinated people" etc can be misunderstood.

In a hypothetical country where 100% of the population are vaccinated, 100% of cases will be in vaccinated people.... and our vaccinated population is going up.

 

[TitanTim]

I said from what little I know, not claiming to be an expert in the least. Only reason I know is bits of information from a friend who is suffering from long covid. Seems there are lots of ideas and no definitive answers.

I think you just have to accept not withstanding all you have said, getting vaccinated is the way to go, no point in anyone constantly trying to dig up internet statistics to try and prove otherwise to make oneself feel better or less guilty or justifying in not accepting the vaccine.

Tim.

My partner has decided to get hers done yesterday. Her Dad sounds alot like you Tim and has been leaning on her. Basically said the same 1st sentence to her yesterday.

I wouldn't lean on anyone, it's entirely their free choice and decision. I guess what I find hard to accept is people digging around the internet or finding ways to dumb down the virus and vaccine as being not really that serious and playing with the idea the vaccine is pointless for certain age groups :thumbsdown: . If you're wise then you know what the best thing is to do.

Tim.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I wouldn't lean on anyone, it's entirely their free choice and decision. I guess what I find hard to accept is people digging around the internet or finding ways to dumb down the virus and vaccine as being not really that serious and playing with the idea the vaccine is pointless for certain age groups :thumbsdown: . If you're wise then you know what the best thing is to do.

Tim.

You will just deride them on the internet for being immoral or stupid :roll:

Not really sure how the likes of me or mgrlane are "dumbing" anything down by bringing statistical & demonstrable facts to a discussion widely populated with people that are only armed with a sense of the moral high ground?

 

[Flyingfifer]

The stats are more complicated than the media portray. Sounds like a lot of folks on here are pretty wise to it, but for the general public it is very confusing, and statements like "more cases in vaccinated people" etc can be misunderstood.

In a hypothetical country where 100% of the population are vaccinated, 100% of cases will be in vaccinated people.... and our vaccinated population is going up.

100% agreed, unfortunately the saying "lies, damn lies and statistics" is too often true (almost all the time when it comes to the MSM) and a wider appreciation for context is completely left out in pursuit of a narrative.

 

[TitanTim]

I wouldn't lean on anyone, it's entirely their free choice and decision. I guess what I find hard to accept is people digging around the internet or finding ways to dumb down the virus and vaccine as being not really that serious and playing with the idea the vaccine is pointless for certain age groups :thumbsdown: . If you're wise then you know what the best thing is to do.

Tim.

You will just deride them on the internet for being immoral or stupid :roll:

Not really sure how the likes of me or mgrlane are "dumbing" anything down by bringing statistical & demonstrable facts to a discussion widely populated with people that are only armed with a sense of the moral high ground?

Maybe put the internet to one side for a change and grab a couple of vaccines instead

Tim.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Maybe put the internet to one side for a change and grab a couple of vaccines instead

Tim.

sick burn bro :roll: