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[ronk]

Come on the Professor - spell it out!
Ok, you don’t seem to have any faith in the current attempts to control the situation - What would YOU do?

Keep it simple - no quote or links - YOUR idea,

A simple explanation will do - then people might realise just how stupid we’ve all been.

Right this second?
Open up, back to normal, keep the vaccination programme running to anyone that wants it and make sure we know when the elderly who have had their vaccines already are at risk again then get them re-vaccinated if they want it.
Keep an eye on hospitalisations and deaths from COVID and be aware of any new variants and whether they change the current landscape.

Easy enough?

What do you mean “ keep an eye on?
Just let it rip or lock down ?

You are the man in the suit, you are in charge. the man who could do anything he want to make this situation end, what are YOU going to do!


Observe the situation is not an answer!

Observe and then what?

If it was easy enough then don’t you think it would have been done by now? People with much more knowledge of the problems have been attempting control of the situation with limited success - but you could do it “Easy enough?

 

[TitanTim]

Yepp, lets just keep and eye on it, the current strain appears to be more highly infectous resulting in rates looking to be soaring again, thankfully the vaccine appears to be doing its job but I feel we need more of the population receiving BOTH jabs before fully openng up. I think due to the rate of infection and how much more this strain easily spreads, just keeping an eye on it might lead to any action being too late.

Tim.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Isn't that % for 1st dose only?

Tim.

Yes, but the first dose provides the majority of the protection and the 2nd is more of a longevity booster for the first, in other words you dont need the 2nd for the 1st to be effective, the 2nd only extends the effective timeframe.

Right this second?
Open up, back to normal, keep the vaccination programme running to anyone that wants it and make sure we know when the elderly who have had their vaccines already are at risk again then get them re-vaccinated if they want it.
Keep an eye on hospitalisations and deaths from COVID and be aware of any new variants and whether they change the current landscape.

Easy enough?

What do you mean “ keep an eye on?
Just let it rip or lock down ?

You are the man in the suit, you are in charge. the man who could do anything he want to make this situation end, what are YOU going to do!


Observe the situation is not an answer!

Observe and then what?

If it was easy enough then don’t you think it would have been done by now? People with much more knowledge of the problems have been attempting control of the situation with limited success - but you could do it “Easy enough?

.... you kidding? I'm starting to think your browser is only showing you selective things you miss stuff that often :idunno:
Check the quote you quoted :roll:

If the landscape changes then you reassess based on the new information.

 

[ronk]

What’s your plan ?

“Keep an eye on hospitalisations and deaths from COVID and be aware of any new variants and whether they change the current landscape.“


It’s a straight forward enough to your attempts above
Politicians answer like that !

What is your plan?
That’s a simple question!

 

[Flyingfifer]

Yepp, lets just keep and eye on it, the current strain appears to be more highly infectous resulting in rates looking to be soaring again, thankfully the vaccine appears to be doing its job but I feel we need more of the population receiving BOTH jabs before fully openng up. I think due to the rate of infection and how much more this strain easily spreads, just keeping an eye on it might lead to any action being too late.

Tim.

Apologies in advance for all these annoying facts and figures and reality but...

People tested positive
Latest data provided on 11 July 2021
Daily
31,772
Last 7 days
221,052

Deaths within 28 days of positive test
Latest data provided on 11 July 2021
Daily
26
Last 7 days
203

Thats a death rate per 100,000 of 0.2

The vaccine is doing its job, the people at risk (the elderly, obese and those with a pre-existing condition are far more likely to survive. For contrast in January...
cases were around 60000 per day and the deaths were around 1300 per day.

SOURCE OF THE DATA SO THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY LOOK AND LEARN!!!

 

[Flyingfifer]

What’s your plan ?

“Keep an eye on hospitalisations and deaths from COVID and be aware of any new variants and whether they change the current landscape.“


It’s a straight forward enough to your attempts above
Politicians answer like that !

Ron.... are you ok? I'm legitimately worried about you at this stage.

Lets try this for a third time....

Open up, back to normal, keep the vaccination programme running to anyone that wants it and make sure we know when the elderly who have had their vaccines already are at risk again then get them re-vaccinated if they want it.

 

[ronk]

I suggest you give head a good shake fella!

I have spoken to you reasonably and rationally and asked you a question and you use geek speak enlarged bold text. :thumbsdown:

Bad form young fella :thumbsdown:

 

[Nictrix]

I think it has been said before that we are going to have to learn to live with covid as its not going to go away.
There will always be deaths caused by covid just like the flu.
At what point does the country/world have to get to before the decision is made that this is almost the best its going to get?
Personally for the foreseeable future I will be staying away from large crowds, pubs etc as that is where I feel most people could get it and you are amongst people you dont know and cant trust. There will be many many people out there denying that they have covid so they dont miss a night out.
Doing my shopping on a Sunday morning before the masses get there and just changed my job so will be working next to less people every day too.
Everybody will just have to do what they think is best for themselves and their families and if that means missing holidays, football matches, concerts, etc. then thats what people should do.
Oh, and why cant people just stay in their own area for a while longer, are holidays really necessary?

 

[BeeEmm]

I think it has been said before that we are going to have to learn to live with covid as its not going to go away.
There will always be deaths caused by covid just like the flu.
At what point does the country/world have to get to before the decision is made that this is almost the best its going to get?
Personally for the foreseeable future I will be staying away from large crowds, pubs etc as that is where I feel most people could get it and you are amongst people you dont know and cant trust. There will be many many people out there denying that they have covid so they dont miss a night out.
Doing my shopping on a Sunday morning before the masses get there and just changed my job so will be working next to less people every day too.
Everybody will just have to do what they think is best for themselves and their families and if that means missing holidays, football matches, concerts, etc. then thats what people should do.
Oh, and why cant people just stay in their own area for a while longer, are holidays really necessary?

Some very good observations and sensible suggestions here, Nictrix. I said at the very start of this pandemic, that your 'enemy' is the person standing next to you.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

What are the age groups of the two graphs Mgarlane…?

It wasn't in the figures I had access too but this set explains it.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

No which is why I think it's banal going to a virtually complete open society in one step and hoping on a wing and a prayer the great British public take the sensible approach

Haven't we been here before

Tim.

I think we tried to do it last year when there wasn't any vaccines? Is that what you are saying?

We have been opening the company in a step by step process over the last 4 months? It's not been in one step?

By the looks of things the virus has mutated (delta) into a more transmissible variant that depending on who's figures you believe is 10-20 times less lethal as the original version.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I suggest you give head a good shake fella!

I have spoken to you reasonably and rationally and asked you a question and you use geek speak enlarged bold text. :thumbsdown:

Bad form young fella :thumbsdown:

Im completely lost Ron, you asked me 3 times what I would do and 3 times I answered the exact same, each time you fixated on the very last part about monitoring the situation to see if anything changed and claimed that I hadnt answered the question and that just saying monitor wasnt good enough..... :idunno:

What exactly are you looking for?!

 

[Flyingfifer]

I think it has been said before that we are going to have to learn to live with covid as its not going to go away.
There will always be deaths caused by covid just like the flu.
At what point does the country/world have to get to before the decision is made that this is almost the best its going to get?
Personally for the foreseeable future I will be staying away from large crowds, pubs etc as that is where I feel most people could get it and you are amongst people you dont know and cant trust. There will be many many people out there denying that they have covid so they dont miss a night out.
Doing my shopping on a Sunday morning before the masses get there and just changed my job so will be working next to less people every day too.
Everybody will just have to do what they think is best for themselves and their families and if that means missing holidays, football matches, concerts, etc. then thats what people should do.
Oh, and why cant people just stay in their own area for a while longer, are holidays really necessary?

100% agree
although admittedly thats just normal life for me, I always try and avoid people, shop when its quiet etc because they are awful

 

[Flyingfifer]

By the looks of things the virus has mutated (delta) into a more transmissible variant that depending on who's figures you believe is 10-20 times less lethal as the original version.

According to the latest spam advertising from the Scot Gov 1 in 3 people dont even get symptoms

 

[Deleted member 32480]

According to the latest spam advertising from the Scot Gov 1 in 3 people dont even get symptoms

You should check the latest Oz advertising:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57800981

 

[Flyingfifer]

You should check the latest Oz advertising:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57800981

Thats a bit gratuitous

 

[Nanu]

Yep I’m double jabbed & I have caught COVID

So far as I know I never caught it up till now & I picked it up off a kid from school is my best guess as we were told on Thursday a child has tested positive & so I, as a close contact, had to isolate & take a PCR test. I got my confirmation text today so fortunately it’s only been immediate family I’ve seen & now they have had to PCR & isolate with me irrespective as we are a household.

Interestingly other staff have been reporting negative results but I would be amazed if I was the 3% who get false positive PCR results

I hope it's easy sailing for you.

My partners brother is halfway through isolation- his house mate has got it but her brother has had two tests now and hasn't had a positive.

Housemate is not showing any symptoms other than a cold. It's a strange old thing.

The cold like symptoms could be Covid. It differs from person to person. I had Covid back in Jan 2020 and at first I thought it was jet lag until some weeks later loosing smell and taste (Which I did) was identified as a symptom. My wife had it a lot worse.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Thats a bit gratuitous

Rather..... Have you been following the situation in Oz? I am super intrigued to see how it ends.

The cold like symptoms could be Covid. It differs from person to person. I had Covid back in Jan 2020 and at first I thought it was jet lag until some weeks later loosing smell and taste (Which I did) was identified as a symptom. My wife had it a lot worse.

He has 4 days positive and yesterday was his 1st negative. The brother in law has tested negative throughout despite sharing the same house with him.

Poor lads 30th birthday last week and he got pinged from the app at the start of the month- July has bee a write off for him.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Rather..... Have you been following the situation in Oz? I am super intrigued to see how it ends.

I havent, in all honesty I have completely checked out from covid, I wear a mask in the shops but apart from that I have lost all interest lol
Saw this today... (NSFW)
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Butterfield is a comedian but its usually pretty salient on most things imo

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Rather..... Have you been following the situation in Oz? I am super intrigued to see how it ends.

I havent, in all honesty I have completely checked out from covid, I wear a mask in the shops but apart from that I have lost all interest lol
Saw this today... (NSFW)
[youtube]cTObCopyAIw[/youtube]

Butterfield is a comedian but its usually pretty salient on most things imo

We have friends out in Oz and as soon as the delta took off over here I was worried for them out there and have kept a close eye on the developments.

Butterfield raises some interesting points- regardless of where you stand on the rona jab there are many tangible effects of policy that are not taken into consideration behind the headline numbers.