How many actual COVID deaths did you say Dr. John? Well quel surpreez!

[Ed Doe]

I'm sure that I've posted this already but my wife is a nurse and the staff in her hospital were all told to stick covid down on the death certificate no matter what the reason for death as long as there was a positive test in the previous 29 days.

She had a 94 year old patient with terminal heart disease turn up to die but unfortunately he contracted covid whilst in the hospital so that was another statistic for the books

This was happening in England but not in Wales, I think eventually that was stopped as it was inflating the figures.

The issue is die with Covid or died Due to Covid is where the discrepancy arises.

That and the existing structure for departmental budget recognition in the NHS.

 

[Mr Tidy]

My former BIL became one of those stats as he tested positive less than 28 days before terminal cancer got him - Covid really had nothing to do with it.

 

[sp3ctre]

My former BIL became one of those stats as he tested positive less than 28 days before terminal cancer got him - Covid really had nothing to do with it.

That’s why the stats are all rubbish… his case should not count, but equally someone with diabetes who dies of covid should not “not count”.

 

[dans6490]

I really do find it absolutely astounding that people purport to be so wildly upset, annoyed, emotionally and mentally injured by these topics yet time after time they come in and read the comments and reply to them while demanding that they be stopped because they upset them so much. There are many other topics for you to enjoy, go look at watches for example or go add song names to a never ending thread

Not entirely sure if its masochism, elitism or just plain idiocy.

Don't like it, don't read it. (I appreciate that this cant apply to the mods as they are a bit stuck in that regard)

Yeah it’s so bizarre. People that dislike a particular subject to such an extent, that they can’t help commenting on and continuing the conversation about the subject they don’t want to be discussed.

Reminds me of modern Britain, where whoever is offended the most, will get their way.

Does anyone else find it strange that we are supposed to be “protecting the nhs” but at the same time considering sacking thousands of nhs staff, for purely choosing not to take the vaccine?

How bad can the nhs “crisis” be, if it can afford to lose a reported 100,000 staff!? Surely they’re either understaffed or not!?

 

[Flyingfifer]

I really do find it absolutely astounding that people purport to be so wildly upset, annoyed, emotionally and mentally injured by these topics yet time after time they come in and read the comments and reply to them while demanding that they be stopped because they upset them so much. There are many other topics for you to enjoy, go look at watches for example or go add song names to a never ending thread

Not entirely sure if its masochism, elitism or just plain idiocy.

Don't like it, don't read it. (I appreciate that this cant apply to the mods as they are a bit stuck in that regard)

Yeah it’s so bizarre. People that dislike a particular subject to such an extent, that they can’t help commenting on and continuing the conversation about the subject they don’t want to be discussed.

Reminds me of modern Britain, where whoever is offended the most, will get their way.

Does anyone else find it strange that we are supposed to be “protecting the nhs” but at the same time considering sacking thousands of nhs staff, for purely choosing not to take the vaccine?

How bad can the nhs “crisis” be, if it can afford to lose a reported 100,000 staff!? Surely they’re either understaffed or not!?

Totally agree, the West in general is suffering terminally with the victimhood Olympics mentality its intellectually, culturally and socially crippling :thumbsdown:

Especially in a situation where there are multiple health boards that "declared critical incidents" recently due to a dangerous shortage of staff due to covid isolation.

 

[Flyingfifer]

:rofl:

 

[Mr Tidy]

Unread post by sp3ctre » Sat Jan 22, 2022 8:00 pm

Mr Tidy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 22, 2022 7:55 pm
My former BIL became one of those stats as he tested positive less than 28 days before terminal cancer got him - Covid really had nothing to do with it.
That’s why the stats are all rubbish… his case should not count, but equally someone with diabetes who dies of covid should not “not count”.

I know, it makes the "official" numbers a bit of a joke!

 

[Ian J]

Especially in a situation where there are multiple health boards that "declared critical incidents" recently due to a dangerous shortage of staff due to covid isolation.

My wife is a staff nurse on a cardiac ward so has been reasonably isolated from covid but recently they had several patients with the virus and all six nurses on that ward caught it and all had to self isolate for ten days.

Incidentally my wife had it quite badly despite being triple vaccinated and otherwise healthy

 

[Mr Tidy]

Incidentally my wife had it quite badly despite being triple vaccinated and otherwise healthy

Sorry to hear that.

But it does make me wonder why there seem to be so many NHS staff protesting about being required to have the vaccine!?

Iain.

 

[Nanu]

Jeremy Corbyn is spotted having a steamy moment with Diane Abbot in a taxi

Jeremy Corbyn is spotted having a steamy moment with Diane Abbot in a taxi!!!
Now there is a topic that should be strangled at birth by the mediators

 

[Flyingfifer]

But it does make me wonder why there seem to be so many NHS staff protesting about being required to have the vaccine!?

Because it doesn't prevent infection or spread yet they are being compelled to take it at punishment of losing their jobs, careers and livelihoods. Its appalling, immoral and frankly utterly indefensible.
Especially now with the acceptance that it is causing problems with women's menstruation and they are currently investigating potential links to lymphatic swelling in women's breasts as well, couple that with the heart based side effects men have to look forward to and its a whole lot of risk for very little if any reward.

 

[john-e89]

But it does make me wonder why there seem to be so many NHS staff protesting about being required to have the vaccine!?

Because it doesn't prevent infection or spread yet they are being compelled to take it at punishment of losing their jobs, careers and livelihoods. Its appalling, immoral and frankly utterly indefensible.
Especially now with the acceptance that it is causing problems with women's menstruation and they are currently investigating potential links to lymphatic swelling in women's breasts as well, couple that with the heart based side effects men have to look forward to and its a whole lot of risk for very little if any reward.

Where have you read that Flying...? Just interested is all.

 

[Lynchy]

Weird that Flying should say that because being a farely fit and active 54 year old I suffered a heart attack on New Years Eve 2 weeks after my booster jab

 

[Smartbear]

But it does make me wonder why there seem to be so many NHS staff protesting about being required to have the vaccine!?

Because it doesn't prevent infection or spread yet they are being compelled to take it at punishment of losing their jobs, careers and livelihoods. Its appalling, immoral and frankly utterly indefensible.
Especially now with the acceptance that it is causing problems with women's menstruation and they are currently investigating potential links to lymphatic swelling in women's breasts as well, couple that with the heart based side effects men have to look forward to and its a whole lot of risk for very little if any reward.

You never seem to acknowledge that the vaccine makes it less likely to catch or spread the virus & if you do catch it the vaccine will make it less severe.
Rob

 

[Pondrew]

Weird that Flying should say that because being a farely fit and active 54 year old I suffered a heart attack on New Years Eve 2 weeks after my booster jab

My brother in law had heart failure earlier this year (the fittest 50 year old I know) after his second jab and now has on-going heart problems. My wife's friend had a small heart attack in the summer too (43 and fit as a fiddle) after two jabs.
It does seem a strange co-incidence. :?

I would like to see those statistics, not that we ever will.

 

[rdgreen]

Weird that Flying should say that because being a farely fit and active 54 year old I suffered a heart attack on New Years Eve 2 weeks after my booster jab

My brother in law had heart failure earlier this year (the fittest 50 year old I know) after his second jab and has on-going heart problems. My wife's friend had a small heart attack in the summer too (43 and fit as a fiddle) after two jabs.
It does seem a strange co-incidence. :?

I would like to see those statistics, not that we ever will.

I had a heart attack 15 months prior to my vaccination......co-incidence? :fuelfire:

 

[Pondrew]

I had a heart attack 15 months prior to my vaccination......co-incidence?

I thought the two I mentioned were just that, and I am the last person to discount being vaccinated (I've had all 3), but it has made me wonder.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Where have you read that Flying...? Just interested is all.

Menstrual:
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2211
https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/fulltext/9900/association_between_menstrual_cycle_length_and.357.aspx
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/health/covid-vaccine-menstrual-cycles.html

Breast Lymph nodes:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid19-vaccine-can-it-affect-your-mammogram-results#:~:text=Getting%20the%20COVID%2D19%20vaccine,is%20no%20indication%20of%20cancer.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/dont-be-alarmed-by-this-covid-19-vaccine-side-effect-that-could-be-confused-with-breast-cancer/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787650

Weird that Flying should say that because being a farely fit and active 54 year old I suffered a heart attack on New Years Eve 2 weeks after my booster jab

I know a couple of people that had the same and one that had a clot related stroke a week or two after his 2nd jab :thumbsdown:

You never seem to acknowledge that the vaccine makes it less likely to catch or spread the virus & if you do catch it the vaccine will make it less severe.
Rob

I have done several times before. For your peace of mind I will do so again. Yes they may reduce the likelihood of you catching and spreading the virus (for a limited time and with less effectiveness against Omicron). But they absolutely do not guarantee that you cant catch and spread the virus.

While the heart concern is being discussed look at the number of athletes that have had heart related "events" recently.

 

[Chris_D]

While the heart concern is being discussed look at the number of athletes that have had heart related "events" recently.

278% global increase in footballers having heart attacks in 2021. Interesting.
https://dailyexpose.uk/2021/12/08/278-percent-increase-in-heart-attack-deaths-among-soccer-players/


I was watching a livestream of the global lockdown/vaccine mandate protests today and winessed 100's of NHS scrubs being thrown over the barriers and landing on the hapless cops standing between the protesters and Downing St.
https://awakening.marbell.com/2022/...mandate-at-the-police-outside-downing-street/

 

[Smartbear]

Where have you read that Flying...? Just interested is all.

Menstrual:
https://www.bmj.com/content/374/bmj.n2211
https://journals.lww.com/greenjournal/fulltext/9900/association_between_menstrual_cycle_length_and.357.aspx
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/06/health/covid-vaccine-menstrual-cycles.html

Breast Lymph nodes:
https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid19-vaccine-can-it-affect-your-mammogram-results#:~:text=Getting%20the%20COVID%2D19%20vaccine,is%20no%20indication%20of%20cancer.
https://health.clevelandclinic.org/dont-be-alarmed-by-this-covid-19-vaccine-side-effect-that-could-be-confused-with-breast-cancer/
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2787650

Weird that Flying should say that because being a farely fit and active 54 year old I suffered a heart attack on New Years Eve 2 weeks after my booster jab

I know a couple of people that had the same and one that had a clot related stroke a week or two after his 2nd jab :thumbsdown:

You never seem to acknowledge that the vaccine makes it less likely to catch or spread the virus & if you do catch it the vaccine will make it less severe.
Rob

I have done several times before. For your peace of mind I will do so again. Yes they may reduce the likelihood of you catching and spreading the virus (for a limited time and with less effectiveness against Omicron). But they absolutely do not guarantee that you cant catch and spread the virus.

While the heart concern is being discussed look at the number of athletes that have had heart related "events" recently.

You’re just attempting to scaremonger with those links, they even say that vaccination is recommended. No problems linked to vaccination.
The fact you know a couple of people who’ve become ill is meaningless, you should know a sample size that small says nothing. Again you seem intent on scaremongering?
Links to vaccine induced heart problems?
Again, who’s been saying the vaccine guarantees you cannot spread or catch the virus? It helps prevent both & reduces the severity if you’re unlucky which is why it’s important to get jabbed.
Rob