Formula 1
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Rubbish outcome. GR was a deserving winner after a fine performance.
It could be argued that the weight advantage helped the tyres last so long, though.enuff_zed said:
F1 is such fine margins these days, that a very small difference can make a LOT of difference in the end.
On a separate topic; I would love to know what the internal politics are that are keeping Perez in the Red Bull seat, cos it definitely isn't talent at present. :?
Guthlac said:
He must have some of Horner's dick pics and uses them every time Horner say he's going to sack him. As I can't think of any other reason he's kept his seat this year!
Especially seeing how Colapinto and Bearman have shown up half the grid in their first 2 races in F1 and a lot of teams must be thinking of how they can get shot of their seat warmers/ rich Daddy's boys (Stroll) and get these F2 lads in.
buzyg said:Modern F1 is about money and influence. Seat warmers can bring both. That is why they are there. Engineers, strategy and money are the most important things. If you want to win in F1. Talent is only needed to beat your team mate.
Disagree.
Watch the Schumacher documentary if you want to know how important the ability of the driver to inspire and build the team around him (as well as the skill in the car, albeit not without some controversial moments).
Look at Merc's last period of dominance with Hamilton as the driver.
Look at Vettel's dominance before that
Ayerton Senna.
etc. etc. etc.
By contrast look at Aston Martin & Lance Stroll. Money can buy you a lot of things (including an actual talented driver if so chosen), but it can't buy you championship victories - that's what a talented drivers will provide.
Bottom line, yes you do need an awful lot of money, but you also need the right technical team to provide the right car to the right driver in the right circumstances. When the stars align, then you get the periods of dominance that we've seen recently in the sport, until the regs shake up the order again.
FWIW the only problem I have with F1 is the fact that the reg changes only mean the teams with the most money can develop their way to the front much more easily than others, which perpetuates the monopoly at the top of the sport. It's a difficult sport to police that way though, because if you standardise too many parts then it stifles innovation (which ultimately trickles down into the technology we use in road cars) - which is why the major manufacturers enter the sport in the first place.
Anyway I digress...! Thank f**k Mclaren are shaking things up !!
Ed has a point about Lance Stroll and Aston Martin, although to be fair Alonso isn't getting points in it either of late.
It reminds me of when Toyota entered F1 with allegedly the biggest budget of any team at the time, but they didn't win anything!
Obviously a big budget helps, but talent is still key.
Anyway that was an interesting race on Sunday and it was great to see the 2 rookies both score points so it looks like they have talent!
And for once George Russell had a bit of good luck thanks to Perez and Sainz. :lol:
It reminds me of when Toyota entered F1 with allegedly the biggest budget of any team at the time, but they didn't win anything!
Obviously a big budget helps, but talent is still key.
Anyway that was an interesting race on Sunday and it was great to see the 2 rookies both score points so it looks like they have talent!
And for once George Russell had a bit of good luck thanks to Perez and Sainz. :lol:
Ed Doe said:
I agree largely with this, having been an F1 fan for decades.
It is easy to forget that the margins in performance are very, very fine in F1. More so in the last couple of seasons than I can ever remember.
Even Lance Stroll can drive very, very well. Would he ever have been an F1 driver without his billionaire father buying a team for him? I doubt it but he is still very talented, just 0.1% less talented than others.
Modern F1 cars are developed around a driver, with massive input from the driver. Problem is, they are usually developed around one driver. So the number 2 team-mate gets 'sloppy seconds'.
I believe that is why Lewis is struggling lately. Because he is leaving, the car is being developed by and around George not Lewis. So Lewis has become the number 2 and gets 'sloppy seconds'. Same with Perez, and with Stroll as Alonso was brought into the team to develop the car and team. Same with Piastri, although he has done a sterling job so far.
I understood the main reason for Hamilton going to Ferrari was the fact that he wants to work with Fred Vasseur, as he is one of the most respected, liked and experienced people in F1. Lewis and him go back a long way.
As said, it is very fine margins, so a driver who gels with the team, the manager, everyone and everything is as important as the car to being up there near the front IMO.
Mr Tidy said:
And his win in Austria was skill?
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Mr Tidy said:
Mercs strategies are perfect compared to Ferrari!
I will be interesting to see how the ride height cheat device affects Max’s qualifying and race performance now they have been told to remove it.
Rivals had alerted the FIA to a device in the Red Bull cockpit that they believed could be used to adjust the height of the front of the car's floor.
The concern of rival teams was that this could be used to make changes to the car's set-up between qualifying and races, when they are not allowed.
A Red Bull spokesperson told BBC Sport: "Yes, [the device] exists, although it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run.
"In the numerous correspondence we have with the FIA, this part came up and we have agreed a plan going forward."
So if the ride height isn’t allowed to be changed after qualifying and the device itself isn’t accessible once the car has been assembled then what’s the point in having it?
Hmmmm.
Rivals had alerted the FIA to a device in the Red Bull cockpit that they believed could be used to adjust the height of the front of the car's floor.
The concern of rival teams was that this could be used to make changes to the car's set-up between qualifying and races, when they are not allowed.
A Red Bull spokesperson told BBC Sport: "Yes, [the device] exists, although it is inaccessible once the car is fully assembled and ready to run.
"In the numerous correspondence we have with the FIA, this part came up and we have agreed a plan going forward."
So if the ride height isn’t allowed to be changed after qualifying and the device itself isn’t accessible once the car has been assembled then what’s the point in having it?
Hmmmm.