EBC - Bluestuff or Yellowstuff ???

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Z4M_Ant

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Evening all...

My Z4M currently has some racing pads that were put on by the previous owner...not quite sure what pads they are though. Im due to do a track day on on Thursday and am pretty close to needing brake pads at the mo so concidering buying some now and fitting them tuesday to give me enough time to bed them in :driving:

After tons of research today...im swaying toward EBC pads. Im not sure whether to go for Yellowstuff pads or Bluestuff pads - anyone had experience of either / both and have any pointers ??

Thanks... :thumbsup:

Ant
 
I think EBC blue stuff is not road legal, so be warned. Like the EBC range, use their Red Stuff primarily because its brake dust doesn't eat the alloys
 
Jembo said:
I think EBC blue stuff is not road legal, so be warned. Like the EBC range, use their Red Stuff primarily because its brake dust doesn't eat the alloys
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+1 on the EBC Red Stuff pads :thumbsup:
 
Their most modern compound is Orangestuff - still not quite as good as Ferodo/Carbotech/Pagid equivalents, but great value for money :)

Remember to get decent brake fluid if you don't already have it too :thumbsup:

Have Fun :D

Rog
 
Yeah Jembo I noticed that those EBC Bluestuff doesnt appear to be legal :roll:

Though I have to agree with you and Mrlozzer about getting some pads that don't eat at the alloys like a fat kid does to cake (talking from past experience about the cake comment :D )...

The Admiral...now you've officially thrown a spanner in the works - now im thinking Pagid lol the RS 4-2 seem to be top brake pads. Any experience with them ??

Really all I want is a good set of pads that will see me through the track day and be good for the road.
 
Yeah, for a carbon based pad the RS 4-2s are great, but if you stretch to the ceramic ones e.g. RS14s, then you'll really see what a brake pad can do 8)

http://www.pagid-brake-pads.co.uk/products/

My experience isn't from Z4s, so can't give much more feedback about specifics for these cars...

Cheers :)

Rog

p.s. it is almost impossible for a decent brake pad to retain ECE R90 status due to the requirement to remain within 15% of the performance of the std pads - most decent pads are far more than 15% better than the std ones!
 
I used to do trackdays on a Lotus Exige with Pagid RS 4-2 and the pair was perfect, almost zero fading doing trackdays every months around the best circuits in Europe.

Now on my Z4M I went for a less extreme combination (and also less expensive) with Ferodo DS 2500 and a very good brake fluid. I am doing less trackdays than in the past but up to now I am happy with the DS 2500 as I hadn't experienced big fading problems, limiting runs at 15/20 mins each.
 
I had red stuff on my old 3.0, noticed no improvement over stock, but significantly less dust, which was brilliant as I hate cleaning alloys

On the M I've been running yellowstuff for about 3 months now. Took a while to bed in but in the last few weeks I've noticed a really nice bite and great feel. They are really dusty tho!

I think all the high performance racing pads produce a lot of dust, and you have to carefull with the top end track stuff as they can produce a lot of squeal and require getting up to temp- which isnt much use for the road
 
If they are available I'd really recommend Carbon Loraine pads. I used to run Pagids on the Elise, put these in and they were as good if not better! They were significantly cheaper as well :thumbsup: I'll certainly be looking to fit some when I next need some.
 
I've moved on from the Yellowstuff to the Bluestuff (as has my mate with his Skyline), and despite them not being road legal (i.e. no ECE R90 certification as their friction level is outside the ±15% required for certification - in the case of these pads is on the + side of the figure) they work fine from cold and I've not suffered any fade on track (Oulton or Nordschleife).

Don't forget that most of the other pad options from the other manufacturers are in the same position regarding their road legal status (i.e. ALL Pagid RS, Ferodo DS, Carbon Lorraine, etc.).

I would not recommend the Orangestuff as they are not suitable for road use as they take a couple of pedal applications to produce any retardation - which is fine in a race situation as you're on/off all the time, but not so good on the road/motorway where you may not touch the pedal for 5-60 minutes.

I've not personally had any of the issues that other have had with pad material coming away from the backing plate. It may be my braking style, or it may simply be that I'm not leaving it standing with wet brakes for weeks.
 
DON'T get yellow stuff! I've had really bad experience with these on track days. I haven't time to go into detail now, but I'll try to post something more after work.
Red stuff won't be enough for the ///M if you're really driving hard. I'm using blue stuff now and they seem pretty good on track and road, working from cold with zero fade on track. I'd also recommend better fluid and turning off the DSC (otherwise it will frequently apply the brakes when cornering hard, cooking the pads).
 
wantanM said:
On the M I've been running yellowstuff for about 3 months now. Took a while to bed in but in the last few weeks I've noticed a really nice bite and great feel. They are really dusty tho!
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The Yellows shouldn't be anywhere near as dusty as OEM Textars, and I've never had them squeal once on mine.
 
mmm-five said:
wantanM said:
On the M I've been running yellowstuff for about 3 months now. Took a while to bed in but in the last few weeks I've noticed a really nice bite and great feel. They are really dusty tho!
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The Yellows shouldn't be anywhere near as dusty as OEM Textars, and I've never had them squeal once on mine.
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Just to clarify I've NOT had any squeal with yellow. Would not accept any squeal from pads as I use car regularly in town.
 
BMWZ4MC said:
DON'T get yellow stuff! I've had really bad experience with these on track days. I haven't time to go into detail now, but I'll try to post something more after work.
Red stuff won't be enough for the ///M if you're really driving hard. I'm using blue stuff now and they seem pretty good on track and road, working from cold with zero fade on track. I'd also recommend better fluid and turning off the DSC (otherwise it will frequently apply the brakes when cornering hard, cooking the pads).
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Looking out for this BMWZ4MC, don't want to encounter any catastrophic failures.... :cry:
 
I used the Bluestuff and they are OKish but have a low co-efficient of friction, so need a good press on the pedal to work. They do last well and are cheap, but not the best performing pads out there IMO...

Brakes are quite a personal thing with regards to what response you prefer from them though...

Cheers :)

Rog
 
If you have a 'big' accident and the investigators report you had 'illegal' brake pads fitted could you have an issue with the Insurers paying out? Or even criminal prosecution? :o
 
M@r said:
{"]If you have a 'big' accident and the investigators report you had 'illegal' brake pads fitted could you have an issue with the Insurers paying out? Or even criminal prosecution? :o
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Only if the brake pads were found to be a contributing factor.

e.g. if you were involved in an 'at fault' accident and your brakes were to be found to be unsuitable (these are better than the ECE R90 specs - but there's no way to legally certify them) then there my be issues - but if someone hits you and writes off your car then there's shouldn't be an issue.

Some pad sizes in the EBC Bluestuff NDX range do have ECE R90 certification, but as the certification is based on ±15% of the OEM pad it means that only the OEM pads that have quite high (for a road car) COF will get certified as they're within the ±15% range.
 
The Admiral said:
I used the Bluestuff and they are OKish but have a low co-efficient of friction, so need a good press on the pedal to work.
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Strange you say that as the Bluestuff NDX have a higher cold/hot COF & operating temp range than most of the Pagid RS range (the two that beat the Bluestuff NDX are the RS14 & RS15) and everyone seems to says the RS range are the dog's danglies
 
Yeah, does depend what you compare them too - DS3000, XP10, RS15s all running much higher u compared to Std pads / bluestuff / DS2500 / 4.2s etc.

Not sure how far insurers would go towards rejecting a claim based upon non R90 pads - anyone know of a claim refused because of this?

Cheers :)

Rog
 
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