Calling Scottish Dwellers...

dr_john said:
ronk said:
Angie4m said:
There is a new distillery being opened in the north lakes and it's been set up by one of the founders of a very successful Scottish distillery and I've made an investment into it. My investment will be safe because if Scotland becomes independent, I'm offski!

I honestly dread any potential breakup of the union and i think Salmond and sturgeon are taking the Scots / English thing to the extreme!
If I hadn't been greeted with "och it's that English bastard again !" by the boys in the Glasgow office I would have felt out and unwanted!
(Do we count as English from the NE?)

Agreed Ronk, we have all rubbed along together for a long time now, what's the problem? If it ain't broke, don't fix it. I'm proud of the UK the way it is.

Salmond is just a power freak, like most politicians. That's obviously how he gets his kicks, oblivious to the effect on the people. Whatever the outcome he will be comfortable for life. I really believe that the average Scot will pay heavily if it's a yes vote.

Vote no!

A lot of the reason we are being given for a 'Yes' vote make no sense as the Scottish Parliament has the reign over quite a lot of things like the police, it was the SNP that decided on one force and the NHS. The SNP have also not raised the council tax the whole time they have been in power in Scotland and if they had done so these 'cuts' that need to be made to services would not be happening to the extent at which they have been.

The people I hear bleating on for 'yes' are the low class and unemployed, I've said it from day one as they always say they will have improved benefits in a independent Scotland, where is this money coming from? It was also confirmed on the news last night that 'yes' voters were more likely to be as previously stated but then the poll a week past Saturday which caused almost a melt down in the financial markets was based on 1034 people of which the majority were unemployed and guess what they said they would vote.

I'm also sick to death of hearing Nicola Sturgeon and Alex Salmond bleating on that the Scottish people did not vote for a Tory government. Last time I checked I was born in Edinburgh, Scotland. Live in Edinburgh, Scotland and I've even got ginger hair, freckles and pale skin just to make it more stereotypical....yip I'm Scottish and in the last election I voted for Mr David Cameron and his party and I'm sure I wasn't the only one. Not everyone in Scotland votes Labour and using the excuse that Scotland doesn't get the government it votes for is just utter BS! It's a democracy and you win some and you loose some. I will never vote Labour whilst they are in tow with the Unions. So an independent Scotland may have a labour government that I would not have voted for, does that mean that I can have my own independent state in my back garden? No!

It's looking more and more like they want to run the country like a dictatorship and I now regret my vote for the Scottish Parliament where I voted for Alex Salmond to be first minister. Their polices were great but completely forgot all about the independence referendum they wanted to have but then I don't think most people thought they would get a majority meaning they can pass anything they want through. My point is if it was a Labour government doing everything a different way would they want to make Aberdeen Independent as there is quite a big SNP following up there. Where does it stop?

Anyway rant over and I think it's clear that I'm voting No for many reasons and mainly because my family would be broken up as myself and my partner would need to move as well as my sister and husband with their two children because our jobs would move. It's a very real reality and something the Yes say won't happen but it will!
 
Perhaps the Yes voters should read the following, especially if they are from the layers of society that you mention above: :rofl:

Sky said:
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Once the hard working decent folk get out on Thursday I'm sure we'll be fine.

:thumbsup:

the only problem will be how some Nationalists react to a no vote - there could be trouble in some communities !
 
bedminsterbob said:
Bing said:
I live in England - can I not be Scottish if the Yes campaign win ? Damn.
Good point Bing, as you and your fellow Scotts who live away from your home land can't vote just in case you have been brainwashed does that mean if the yes win, you have to re apply for citizenship. :?
An independent Scotland wouldn't be a member of the EU, so as a none UK national they would otherwise have no right of abode or work in this country and be put on the first train back to scotchland ;)
 
Geezah said:
As for defence, if you have ever studied military history, you will know that no war has ever been predicted. They appear out of left field. Crackpot regimes like Pakistan and Iran are Nuclear powers and Scotland want to get rid of my nuclear umbrella?

Aii the defence side of thing is the only aspect of this I've taken any real interest in. In terms of the UK, we've got the trident submarines up at faslane, and Lossiemouth is a very important RAF station with the fast jets and quick reaction teams up there being the only ones in the North of the British Isles, not to mention the majority of the UKs radar and listening posts being stationed in and around Scotland.

So there's certainly going to be issues on that front, though in terms of budget I believe Scotland only contributes less then 3bn to the overall defence budget but receives the protection and benefits of the full UK armed forces (and nato). There's also talk that an independent Scotland wouldnt get into NATO due to the prerequisite that members spend 2% of their gdp on defence, whereas I believe the snp are suggesting around half that?

Salmond et al then seem to be basing their defence ideas on the fact that in a modern globalised world they won't need to physically defend themselves, but a developed independent country with little in the way of defence or contributions to world stability soon loses what little standing they have in the world...
 
Jasey said:
Once the hard working decent folk get out on Thursday I'm sure we'll be fine.

:thumbsup:

the only problem will be how some Nationalists react to a no vote - there could be trouble in some communities !

Indeed. The 'Yes' voters have lots of time on their hands and have shown on more than one occasion recently just how nasty they can be, even Ed Millaband had to cut his visit short due to the abuse he was getting from 'yes' campaigners. The way they behave is unacceptable and it could be carnage come Friday either way.
 
Well said Angie & Ste !

In the catastrophic event we get a Yes vote it's highly likely that the other UK political parties will wish little or no involvement - why should they ? so Scotland could effectively be a one party nation - that's just unthinkable and wholly undesirable.

Let's just hope the silent majority in favour of a No have been just that -silent !
 
Still sat in the highlands here, its definitely a yes vote area.. i visited one remote village yesterday where the vehicle (theres only one road, and the village is only accessible by boat) that delivered the ballot boxes was plastered with varying Yes signs, and even had a numberplate containing YES 5XXX. Whilst the voting centre (town hall) had Yes signs in the window...If its anything other than 100% yes here its going to be rigged anyway.
 
jimmybell said:
Still sat in the highlands here, its definitely a yes vote area.. i visited one remote village yesterday where the vehicle (theres only one road, and the village is only accessible by boat) that delivered the ballot boxes was plastered with varying Yes signs, and even had a numberplate containing YES 5XXX. Whilst the voting centre (town hall) had Yes signs in the window...If its anything other than 100% yes here its going to be rigged anyway.

Political bias?
 
I liked this idea - much more sensible rather than being asked to vote with so many unknowns !

http://citywire.co.uk/money/jourdan-why-scotland-should-have-had-two-votes/a772994?ref=citywire-money-latest-news-list
 
jimmybell said:
Still sat in the highlands here, its definitely a yes vote area.. i visited one remote village yesterday where the vehicle (theres only one road, and the village is only accessible by boat) that delivered the ballot boxes was plastered with varying Yes signs, and even had a numberplate containing YES 5XXX. Whilst the voting centre (town hall) had Yes signs in the window...If its anything other than 100% yes here its going to be rigged anyway.

The talk is that people in these communities feel very far removed from the Westminster government, however they are as far from The parliament in Edinburgh as people in Edinburgh are as far from the Westminster government and really as a lot of the decisions are already made in Edinburgh it won't change how far they are removed and they still will have little influence over what happens. However it WAS the Westminster government that implemented the fuel reduction for the highland and isles, not the SNP. Come a yes vote this will no longer be subsidised and they'll need to lobby for it all over again.
 
Angie4m said:
jimmybell said:
Still sat in the highlands here, its definitely a yes vote area.. i visited one remote village yesterday where the vehicle (theres only one road, and the village is only accessible by boat) that delivered the ballot boxes was plastered with varying Yes signs, and even had a numberplate containing YES 5XXX. Whilst the voting centre (town hall) had Yes signs in the window...If its anything other than 100% yes here its going to be rigged anyway.

The talk is that people in these communities feel very far removed from the Westminster government, however they are as far from The parliament in Edinburgh as people in Edinburgh are as far from the Westminster government and really as a lot of the decisions are already made in Edinburgh it won't change how far they are removed and they still will have little influence over what happens. However it WAS the Westminster government that implemented the fuel reduction for the highland and isles, not the SNP. Come a yes vote this will no longer be subsidised and they'll need to lobby for it all over again.


its stuff like this that makes me very skeptical about votes of this nature. i have no idea if your blowing smoke up my ass or not so ill take your word for it? i just cant trust what either side is saying and the press just wants to go on about the nhs and submarines and currency unit etc which is fine but what about the bits and bobs like this. it seems like they have been brushed aside as an inconvenient truth. glad i'm not Scottish so dont need to vote, if i were able to vote then i would like to know about everything like this. maybe down here we just dont hear about it?
 
If the polling station has yes notices I would say that is just plain and simple illegal !

Ps. I don't doubt you jimmy !
 
They're all pretty brainwashed around here anyway - they're all confident of a Yes win, and they all think Alex Salmond is an honest politician (anyone live in Portsmouth?!). Everyone i've spoken to isn't fussed about the logical arguments to do with the huge What If's, they're purely voting against westminster and that's how they see the vote. One guy i spoke to is convinced there will be riots in Glasgow (to the extent he will travel there to take part) if there's a No victory.

(i have photos of the vote delivery vehicle, and the polling booth but don't particularly want to ruin the blokes life by making them public.. he was a nice guy, and the vote here is the same regardless).

To be honest if any No campaign politicians actually made the effort to travel this far north they might get a decent conversation out of these people - and some great ammunition against the Yes campaign.
 
I've just heard somebody say that the heart and the head have been separated on this cause. Never a good scenario for a balanced outcome.
 
jimmybell said:
One guy i spoke to is convinced there will be riots in Glasgow (to the extent he will travel there to take part) if there's a No victory.

I was only thinking earlier whatever the result, whether widespread civil unrest will break out across Scotland? There seems to be growing animosity from either side in the campaign already. With the polls predicting a close result, things could get interesting if the margin of victory is only by a handful of votes.
 
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