Barack Obama: President of the USA
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I actually voted Libertarian in all the state races that had a libertarian candidate in them. The result is that the party garnered enough votes to stay on the NC ballot. We have one of the most closed ballots in the nation-if you don't get enough votes, you have to petition all over again to get on the ballot next time. Munger garnered enough votes so the Libertarians can concentrate time and money on the campaign next time rather than gathering signatures.
Ducks is one of the funniest individuals I've ever met - Of course, I don't get out muchRama said:20ducks said:Caddyshk said:...I wonder what Enfield thinks of the election results
I think I hear his proxy views from another member here (not you, of course). :roll:
That is the funniest thing you've ever posted (still not very funny though)...
One thing I don't get...
If the candidates were being judged on the content of their character, why did 95% of black voters choose Obama? Why did it matter he is black? Is that not racism just to choose someone because he is black?
I don't care what colour someone is, as long as they do the job.
If the candidates were being judged on the content of their character, why did 95% of black voters choose Obama? Why did it matter he is black? Is that not racism just to choose someone because he is black?
I don't care what colour someone is, as long as they do the job.
Mattt said:
Imagine being dominated by a race other than your own.
Imagine being oppressed by a race other than your own.
Imagine working through all the racism and hatred to earn an opportunity to be somebody.
Imagine.....forget it. You cannot imagine. So don't even think you can try to understand being an African-American. I can't.
Mattt said:
I believe that is an irrelevant statement. Exit polls are beginning to show that as many people who voted for him that stated race was not an issue as there were those who considered it a factor. Living in Ga, I promise you there were MANY who voted againist him just because he was black. So I can see both sides canceling each other out easily.
More white people voted for Obama than Al Gore or John Kerry. this is why he won.Mattt said:
More than 90% of blacks also voted for Al Gore. He's not black.
Jesse jackson, Al Sharpton & Alan Keyes. All black. none even got close.
Not only irrelevant but also amazingly shortsighted to make that sort of assumption. Historically the Democrats always capture the vast majority of the black vote. In many states, the vast majority of white voters voted for McCain. Does this make them racist? I don't think so.561design said:
Smokin said:
Oh geez, a socialist remark again. Would you care to elaborate on McCain's statement during a debate, where he stated that in order to fix the economy "the goverment would just buy up all the bad debt." Isn't that a "socialist" statement? Or was it just an old man's faux paux?
How about when tax dollars are put forth to assist in the construction of football stadiums and the like?
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I think the majority of the world is breathing a huge sigh of relief that Barack Obama won the election. There is hope for the U.S. after all.
At this point, I am no longer surprised by some of the views and opinions many Americans hold regarding Obama. This pettiness regarding his associations with Rev. Wright and terrorists, and referring to him as a "socialist" and an extreme liberal.
It is funny to hear that from this side of the border, because many of the ideals we hold dear would be considered "extremely liberal" by several of you. We have universal health care. We have legalized gay marriage. We have a graduated tax system. We have well-regulated banks. And even though the U.S. likes to think that they're the most welcoming to immigrants and accepting of other cultures, Canada is actually much, much better. We don't expect everyone to melt into a pot. Other cultures are embraced and only enhance our society. I've never heard anyone in the world refer to Canada as an "extremely liberal" country.
It's so hypocritical to hear people complain if immigrants aren't conforming to US culture and society. This claim that no matter where you were born, as long as you're an American citizen, then you're equals. Oh yeah, except that if you're not born in the US, then you can never be president. And oh yeah, you're not really black, you're "half black". What a joke considering the majority of African-Americans have some white ancestry due to their ancestors being slaves.
This pettiness is what lost the election for McCain. The majority of Americans don't care about that stuff. They care about real issues. It took an economic crisis to make them realize that, but I'm glad they did.
To those Americans who continue bad-mouthing Obama and engaging in this pettiness: you are the past. You are part an old, non-progressive, and justifiably fading group. The world is changing, and the U.S. is a great country and has the potential to stay that way. It was heading in the wrong direction under Bush and other "leaders" who had the same views as a lot of others in this thread. Electing Obama was the first big step in the right direction, and I applaud those of you who contributed to that.
At this point, I am no longer surprised by some of the views and opinions many Americans hold regarding Obama. This pettiness regarding his associations with Rev. Wright and terrorists, and referring to him as a "socialist" and an extreme liberal.
It is funny to hear that from this side of the border, because many of the ideals we hold dear would be considered "extremely liberal" by several of you. We have universal health care. We have legalized gay marriage. We have a graduated tax system. We have well-regulated banks. And even though the U.S. likes to think that they're the most welcoming to immigrants and accepting of other cultures, Canada is actually much, much better. We don't expect everyone to melt into a pot. Other cultures are embraced and only enhance our society. I've never heard anyone in the world refer to Canada as an "extremely liberal" country.
It's so hypocritical to hear people complain if immigrants aren't conforming to US culture and society. This claim that no matter where you were born, as long as you're an American citizen, then you're equals. Oh yeah, except that if you're not born in the US, then you can never be president. And oh yeah, you're not really black, you're "half black". What a joke considering the majority of African-Americans have some white ancestry due to their ancestors being slaves.
This pettiness is what lost the election for McCain. The majority of Americans don't care about that stuff. They care about real issues. It took an economic crisis to make them realize that, but I'm glad they did.
To those Americans who continue bad-mouthing Obama and engaging in this pettiness: you are the past. You are part an old, non-progressive, and justifiably fading group. The world is changing, and the U.S. is a great country and has the potential to stay that way. It was heading in the wrong direction under Bush and other "leaders" who had the same views as a lot of others in this thread. Electing Obama was the first big step in the right direction, and I applaud those of you who contributed to that.
Having lived on both sides of the border, and dealing with the intricacies of both, I must say that I feel I can see the light at the end of the tunnel again. That's a good thing.
And for the record, I agree... Canada's multicultural tolerances are a lot better.
And for the record, I agree... Canada's multicultural tolerances are a lot better.
takedown8 said:
Not so hypocritical when you consider the ramifications it has produced, mostly due to convoluted court and political decisions. The presidential ballot being printed in 72 languages in a single county of a single city to meet federal mandates; if you don't speak the primary language, it is hard to make an informed decision. In any hospital, having to find translators because you cannot treat without informed consent, but the patient has refused to learn the primary language. Having special classes in all public schools being taught in other languages because some immigrant students are unable to understand the primary language sufficiently. Having everything printed in at least two languages. Having to press "2 for English" every time you call government or school facility.
You know, if I moved to France or China, I would expect to have to learn their language. I would not expect them to bend over backwards; print everything in English and have everyone attempt to learn English so they could communicate with me. The same is true for Canada or England; I would definitely try to speak the primary language in either country. In Washington State, I believe, firefighters and department supervisors, some with over 20 years on the job, were being fired because the law required them to speak the primary language of all their employees and all of a sudden, they have some guy that knows very little English in their employment. In a few states, illegal aliens are given free tuition which is not available to US citizens, while I, as a single father, have to bear the full burden of putting my son through college.
Not having been to Canada, but having friends from there, they have told me that there are no real measures taken by the government there; signs are printed, classes are taught, ballots are printed, and, in most of Canada, you don't press "2 for English." We kind of have universal health care here; anyone, regardless of their ability to pay, is seen and treated at any hospital. The problem is, half the people have no insurance or means, which leaves the other half to pick up their tab. If a illegal immigrant comes to the hospital and gives birth, the child is automatically an US citizen; not to be deprived of family, the whole family is then allowed to stay until the child is 18. Tell me, does Canada work that way? Or any other country? Of course, that family is entitled to full benefits (unemployment, social security, food stamps, welfare, medicaid, subsidized housing) as any US citizen that has paid into the system their entire life.
I just don't want to expand a system that rewards those who want to suck the teat of the government at the expense of every hard working American. We have millions doing it already with no time limit on their benefits.
I really don't care what color a person is; I judge them on their behavior. I have no problem with gay marriage; it causes no harm to me or anyone else. I work with two guys from Canada; neither is a US citizen but I consider them my equal and consider one a good friend. I work with a couple from the Philippians; they have become friends and we go out on occassion; and I don't feel superior to them. I work with a lady from St Croix and find her to be a very good person. I don't need my views to be judged. When I use the term melting pot, it is applied to people aquiring a common language, sense of community, pride, values, and worth. The average American works longer hours than just about any industrial nation, and that includes Canada. We work more and spend more. I just tire of paying the way for those who refuse to pull their weight or cause a further burden on society.
i would like to add my own two bits of comments...
i voted obama. why? because i believe he was the change that everyone needed. as lame as that catch phrase is.... it's true. McCain was too stuffy, too old, and too much like bush ( in a lot of respects!) for most americans to want another 4 years of (insert your own word). but... if i had other candidates to choose from for president... i definitely would have put obama's legitimacy to the test. the simple fact that only those two running....
didnt leave me much of a choice. i wont lie! i wish more people ran for president [with the proper credentials, of course].
the only thing i can do now is pray and hope that obama becomes not only the best president the USA has seen in a LONG time.. but a remarkable world-wide individual that will go down in history with much more fanfare than that loser GEORGE W. BUSH ever did (i believe his dad was better)... that is something that i wish came out of this election.
and yes... i like being able to say that since i voted.. i can bitch & moan about my government AND still feel safe. I LOVE IT
i voted obama. why? because i believe he was the change that everyone needed. as lame as that catch phrase is.... it's true. McCain was too stuffy, too old, and too much like bush ( in a lot of respects!) for most americans to want another 4 years of (insert your own word). but... if i had other candidates to choose from for president... i definitely would have put obama's legitimacy to the test. the simple fact that only those two running....
didnt leave me much of a choice. i wont lie! i wish more people ran for president [with the proper credentials, of course].
the only thing i can do now is pray and hope that obama becomes not only the best president the USA has seen in a LONG time.. but a remarkable world-wide individual that will go down in history with much more fanfare than that loser GEORGE W. BUSH ever did (i believe his dad was better)... that is something that i wish came out of this election.
and yes... i like being able to say that since i voted.. i can bitch & moan about my government AND still feel safe. I LOVE IT
I think the most fantastic point to come out of this election is the fact that the youngs and the blacks have finally realized that their vote actually count. They voted and it actually turned the table. 
For those who think that Obama is a marxist :roll: I suggest that you go visit a country ruled by leftist government. It would be a sobering experience. Someone said that the Republicans and the Democrats are two right-wing parties, the Republicans being slightly more to the right than the Democrats. I would tend to agree.
How can Obama screw up more than eight years of Bush 43 reign?
Cheers.
For those who think that Obama is a marxist :roll: I suggest that you go visit a country ruled by leftist government. It would be a sobering experience. Someone said that the Republicans and the Democrats are two right-wing parties, the Republicans being slightly more to the right than the Democrats. I would tend to agree.How can Obama screw up more than eight years of Bush 43 reign?
Cheers.