Barack Obama: President of the USA
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It's interesting to see the reactions on various web sites. They are not as bad here as on some other sites I frequent, but "the sky is falling" seems to be the general thought with many people. Seems to be an over-reaction to me, but hey I am Canadian so my perspective is generally different. I really didn't care either way who was elected - I only hope that whoever has the helm down there gets things in shape so the US can stop sucking the rest of the world down the financial toilet sometime soon. 
I guess one thing comes to my mind though....if the US political system does not have the checks and balances in it to prevent the "sky from falling" as some portend, then maybe some reform is needed. Just a thought.
I guess one thing comes to my mind though....if the US political system does not have the checks and balances in it to prevent the "sky from falling" as some portend, then maybe some reform is needed. Just a thought.
The sky isn't falling and give the US a little slack. We aren't perfect. You seem to have migrated some of the negative tone over to this thread.
If you will read some of the posts here you will notice that the trepidation is not the system, it is the newness of the Liberal, sometimes extreme Liberal, positions the Democrats have on their manifesto headed up by President-Elect Obama have on many Americans.
Btw, if you don't like the financial toilet you are going down, change your own system. We have our own to deal with. With respect, of course.
If you will read some of the posts here you will notice that the trepidation is not the system, it is the newness of the Liberal, sometimes extreme Liberal, positions the Democrats have on their manifesto headed up by President-Elect Obama have on many Americans.
Btw, if you don't like the financial toilet you are going down, change your own system. We have our own to deal with. With respect, of course.
20ducks said:
I have four daughters. 3 biological white, 1 adopted black (real father half black, mother white). She was raised in an all white family. We did not treat her any different at least consciously, than we treated the white girls. But as she went on in life, society told her she was black, because of some stereotypical physical characteristics. The more she tried to explain her heritage the worse it got in society especially in school. She married a white man and has a blue eyed blond haired little girl, but already kids are calling her black no matter how she protests. She has no choice that is just how it is, and no matter what I did, no matter what I told my daughter, it could not erase the tears she and I shed because of how people treated her. A shameful commentary on us all.
WaZZZZman said:20ducks said:
I have four daughters. 3 biological white, 1 adopted black (real father half black, mother white). She was raised in an all white family. We did not treat her any different at least consciously, than we treated the white girls. But as she went on in life, society told her she was black, because of some stereotypical physical characteristics. The more she tried to explain her heritage the worse it got in society especially in school. She married a white man and has a blue eyed blond haired little girl, but already kids are calling her black no matter how she protests. She has no choice that is just how it is, and no matter what I did, no matter what I told my daughter, it could not erase the tears she and I shed because of how people treated her. A shameful commentary on us all.
I couldn't imagine the situation so I won't try to insult you with some clever metaphors here. My question isn't a cultural one per se, it is simply could it be that it was politically beneficial for Obama to be black rather than biracial? I'm not, and most of us here I believe, don't deal with beltway politics so would I be out of line by referring to BHO as biracial instead of black? Can I refer to him as Irish-American (I understand his mother was of Irish descent.)? Is it more important to be politically correct in this matter?
Then ride along with it or do your own thing. The G8 has a meeting scheduled this month. World Bank and others meet on a regular basis. Control your own destiny and have the power of your own convictions to get it done. Otherwise, get on the bus, sit down and enjoy the ride.2dogs said:We would like to change your own system, But it's the US with there hand on the handle
20ducks said:
I read all the posts quite well, thank you. I'm glad you see that the sky isn't falling - that's a good start. I know the US isn't perfect, and believe me I cut them slack every day....
There was a good amount of negative tone here before I posted, BTW - I read all your posts. :wink:
You failed to get my last point - if the system has the checks and balances then having an "extreme liberal" should not make for radical change. The fact that people fear the result of this election has me puzzled when I have heard a lot about the US system's checks and balances in the past.
Our system is just fine thank you, however no one (with any system, even a good one) is able to completely bypass the mess created in the US. The draw from the US economy circling the drain is too strong for us just North of the border to ignore. I wish we could, but unfortunately (right now) you are our largest trading partner.
And as far as I know, the OP did not restrict reponses to US citizens, so I am just as entitled to my opinions as you are mate. With respect, of course.
Cheers, Al
20ducks said:
I know what I should be concerned with, thank you.
If the current free trade agreement were to be "renegotiated" as Obama has asked for that would certainly be a plus for us if we could get a binding dispute resolution mechanism in place - that way the US could not simply do whatever they want when the agreement does not suit them (illegal softwood lumber tarrifs being the most well known example of this behaviour).
Cheers, Al
I agree with Ducks about his associations; people with similar views will always befriend people with like views, and his list of associations is scary.
Wazzzman is right about the direction of this country and the media's role; they only publicize the perspective they choose. Rather like some socialist countries we have known.
To have radical socialist idiots (trying to put it politely) like Pelosi and just plain idiots like Reid, Frank, Conyers, & Kennedy running the country is, to paraphrase, like riding a crazed horse into a burning barn. How do these people get ellected in the first place?
If you think about it, the Democratic ideology is to help the lower socioeconomic class. They have had ample opportunities over the past 100 years to do this, however, as their leadership already knows, if they do accomplish their goals, they will lose their base support, thus they gain power by creating and keeping the lower class exactly where they are.
Just my .02
Kind of Libertarian myself and from a personal standpoint, I did not think McCain brought anything to the table that would make me want to vote for him either.
Wazzzman is right about the direction of this country and the media's role; they only publicize the perspective they choose. Rather like some socialist countries we have known.
To have radical socialist idiots (trying to put it politely) like Pelosi and just plain idiots like Reid, Frank, Conyers, & Kennedy running the country is, to paraphrase, like riding a crazed horse into a burning barn. How do these people get ellected in the first place?
If you think about it, the Democratic ideology is to help the lower socioeconomic class. They have had ample opportunities over the past 100 years to do this, however, as their leadership already knows, if they do accomplish their goals, they will lose their base support, thus they gain power by creating and keeping the lower class exactly where they are.
Just my .02
Kind of Libertarian myself and from a personal standpoint, I did not think McCain brought anything to the table that would make me want to vote for him either.
economical issues aside, I wish for a President that will nourish peace within the only race that exists...the human race.
powerontap said:
Great goal, lofty, but great. A one world melting pot, but alas, we are having trouble with many in this country that refuse to assimilate on language alone.
Sharing some Libertarian views, and having voted twice for that strange little guy from Texas, Perot, I believe NAAFTA has hurt the US more than helped us. Yes, my friend, there was a great flushing sound.
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the only thing missing from this friendly family "discussion" is religious views! :lol:
the only thing missing from this friendly family "discussion" is religious views! :lol:
But it’s hard to get off the bus when its been driven by an idiot...20ducks said:Then ride along with it or do your own thing. The G8 has a meeting scheduled this month. World Bank and others meet on a regular basis. Control your own destiny and have the power of your own convictions to get it done. Otherwise, get on the bus, sit down and enjoy the ride.2dogs said:We would like to change your own system, But it's the US with there hand on the handle
I wouldn't care if he were purple-it's his Marxist ideology that worries me. The check/balance is still there, but if the Democrats are able to reach a supermajority in the congress, then there won't be any check at all-any veto would be overridden. The longest lasting effect will be in appointment of Supreme Court justices.
Oh, I have the right to gripe about my government, I voted, I can bitch for 4 years. Kinda nice to know I can and not be visited by the secret police--no matter how bad we feel it is, it's far better than alternatives out there.
Oh, I have the right to gripe about my government, I voted, I can bitch for 4 years. Kinda nice to know I can and not be visited by the secret police--no matter how bad we feel it is, it's far better than alternatives out there.
2dogs said:But it’s hard to get off the bus when its been driven by an idiot...20ducks said:Then ride along with it or do your own thing. The G8 has a meeting scheduled this month. World Bank and others meet on a regular basis. Control your own destiny and have the power of your own convictions to get it done. Otherwise, get on the bus, sit down and enjoy the ride.2dogs said:We would like to change your own system, But it's the US with there hand on the handle
That would be our wonderful Congress, headed by those outstanding politicians Pelosi & Reid. Let us not forget to thank Bill Clinton for pushing Fanny to encourage the low interest loans or Chris Dodd and Barney Frank for the marvelous job they did over-seeing the Banking, Housing, & Urban Affairs and the Finance Service Committee.