A superb penultimate f1 race in store , or , maybe not !!
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sars said:
It was but the situation was very very different, there was a 2nd crash due to a tyre failure with a big chunk of the grid being on the same tyres at a similar age there were legitimate and serious safety concerns.
Ed Doe said:
Masi shouldn't have needed to read the rules. A SC is a common occurrence, the re-start procedures are well known and regularly followed - but not this time :idunno:
Pound to a Penny that Merc don't follow through with their protest ('in the interest of the sport') and Masi is not in position next year
i do hope masi isnt race director next year, it has been somewhat wishy washy. i also wish they hadn't started broadcasting the radio messages between teams and the race director. its not something the watching public need to hear, in my opinion. but, i guess it adds to the drama of the show, which is probably why they're doing it... :roll:
i am however looking forward to the new season, intrigued to see what the new cars are like, and who will be fastest in the first race. outside bet on Haas? they've clearly been working on their new car the longest, given that their 2021 car had no improvements over their 2020 car :rofl:
i am however looking forward to the new season, intrigued to see what the new cars are like, and who will be fastest in the first race. outside bet on Haas? they've clearly been working on their new car the longest, given that their 2021 car had no improvements over their 2020 car :rofl:
Guys, there is zero chance Masi will be race director next year, zero!
If you are going to retroactively analyse the season then I would take a look at Spa. Those laps behind the safety car were nothing to do with safety or the ability to race, purely for financial gain. Nothing changed in those final 2 laps (and was never going to) so the race should have been called off before it was. Pretty sure if that was the final race of the season there would have been court battles over that also.
I just don’t think it’s fair to take this to court and not allow the other past events to be scrutinised. If this had been the first race there would have been some whining by Toto but not a court battle.
If you are going to retroactively analyse the season then I would take a look at Spa. Those laps behind the safety car were nothing to do with safety or the ability to race, purely for financial gain. Nothing changed in those final 2 laps (and was never going to) so the race should have been called off before it was. Pretty sure if that was the final race of the season there would have been court battles over that also.
I just don’t think it’s fair to take this to court and not allow the other past events to be scrutinised. If this had been the first race there would have been some whining by Toto but not a court battle.
Some interesting ideas coming out of the thread now. 
It does seem like they have moved the emfersise more from motor racing to entertainment this year. Personally I would rather watch motor sport, but I get that most people simply enjoy the entertainment. The one thing that is coming up time and time again, is that the rules need to be clear, consitant and followed. The race director turned that last race into a circus with him as ring master. That is not what I want when I watch F1. He needs to be replaced. As to what to do if a similar situation happens again. I like the idea of a Red fag and a sprint for the line over sitting behind a safety car to the finish.
It does seem like they have moved the emfersise more from motor racing to entertainment this year. Personally I would rather watch motor sport, but I get that most people simply enjoy the entertainment. The one thing that is coming up time and time again, is that the rules need to be clear, consitant and followed. The race director turned that last race into a circus with him as ring master. That is not what I want when I watch F1. He needs to be replaced. As to what to do if a similar situation happens again. I like the idea of a Red fag and a sprint for the line over sitting behind a safety car to the finish.
Flyingfifer said:RedUn said:Exactly that, Lewis would have had no problem passing him on new tyres, the car was so much quicker...Flyingfifer said:The copium here is so tasty
The claim that if Merc had brought Lewis in Max still would have won is utterly ludicrous, if they did and Max stayed out for track position (as he likely would have) then merc would have had the advantage as the race played out not Max.
The sour grapes in this thread... gawd damn :rofl:
They rolled the dice and crossed their fingers...the team let him down...
If your going to play roulette and put all your chips on red, you have to accept that one day, it just might not work out :?
Agreed, I actually made the comment at the time that not pitting Lewis was a massive strategic error (again) on mercs behalf. They should have come in and seized the opportunity for fresh tyres even if they lost the track position they had the faster car and would have got the time back plus not risked any issues at the end of the race, for example the puncture that Norris picked up or a complete drop off in the tyre.
Don't agréé FF - they gambled on the fact that if he had come in and Max stayed out gaining track position, the safety car would also have stayed out and the race finished under that which was a possibility looking at situation so Max wins.
Max had nothing to lose from where he was, if the safety car stayed out he would still have been second with a fresh set of boots or if he had stayed out and the safety car come in he may not have got past LH on old rubber (we just don't know do we) - but with the new tyres it was a breeze for him.
In fact I cant stand either driver, despite both deserving the championship, I am not really interested in which one won, but that was not a fair ending, the rules are very clear and they seemed to be changed based on Horner shouting at Masi (he will be gone).
The whole situation was handled badly and has made the sport look corrupt, the rules need to be tightened and used consistency throughout the season, first thing should be to fine both Toto and Horner for pressuring Masi and then sack him for not being strong enough.
I think Merc will drop the appeal but will be getting some compensation somewhere next season, at least Liberty are happy with all the free publicity
Ole gits rule said:
I was talking about the first time, under the VSC. Lewis could have stopped and stuck on fresh tyres, he had the faster car by a noticeable margin and max likely would have stayed out to get the track position, that meant that merc would have the fastest car on fresh tyres that would without any issue make the end of the race, this is especially relevant as only a couple of laps before the VSC Hammy was on the radio questioning how old the tyres were and whether they could actually last....
Just double checked and there were 22 laps left at the VSC and Lewis would probably have only been 9s behind Max after the stop. Not a massive challenge for the speed of the merc in 22 laps on brand new tyres to gain 9s (considering he was pulling away at about 0.5s per lap on tyres that were the same age as Max's, even at that 0.5s he would gain back 9s in 22laps without a struggle.)
[ref]Flyingfifer[/ref], They made the best decision they could with the information on hand, in your scenario Hamilton would have to overtake Verstappen again and there is an inherent risk with that, ultimately he, Verstappen has nothing to lose either way. At that time, it was better for Mercedes to keep track position and risk everything with Verstappen’s super aggressive driving.
Whichever way teams don’t expect the rules to change halfway through a race, it is not something you expect or should expect. It has been stated that the decision is akin to the race director deciding at the start to extinguish the lights after just three lights lit.
Whichever way teams don’t expect the rules to change halfway through a race, it is not something you expect or should expect. It has been stated that the decision is akin to the race director deciding at the start to extinguish the lights after just three lights lit.
sars said:
There is but there is also inherent risk in leaving your driver out on tyres that he has already complained about that will be something like 40laps old by the time the race finishes on a track where there was concerns about the kerbs to the point that they took and angle grinder to them. Rules aside its a massive strategic risk to leave him out, they took that risk and it cost them :idunno:
In terms of a potential collision with Max, it was made VERY clear before the race that such a situation would be dealt with robustly by the Stewards and Masi.
This is what all this is about, new tyres, Latifi's accident , the price of cheese......all irrelevant , the rules regarding the safety car exist for a reason and to cover all eventualities........these rules have evolved over years and aren't there to be changed mid race by Masi.sars said:
slick said:
Aren't the safety car rules there for the safety of the race? If so Spa should have been cancelled many laps before it was. The safety car was abused to allow the race to go on to the extent the race qualified for full points. Should the FIA be investigated for abusing its power in that instance?
sars said:
I think this is why Merc turned up with a lawyer - expecting to be behind Max and something happening during an overtake, thank fully that did not occur but the race has been ruined by Masi.
Tainted title either way - tainted now for Max based on what has happened and it will be tainted for LH if it is reversed in a court, this is a lose / lose situation for all involved except Liberty who are getting loads of free publicity
sp3ctre said:
That 2 lap nonsense was to ensure no refunds were available to fans - nothing else and was it full or half points dished out?
