A superb penultimate f1 race in store , or , maybe not !!

[Smartbear]

It is strange that team principles can have a direct influence in real time with the race director. That will be a gonner next season for sure, as will the race director who will be given the option to retire gracefully.

As for Sir Hammy, is defo the best driver as he proved in Top Gears reasonably priced car, did once respect him but not since he brought his politics into the sport. Would love to see him and Max in a head to head on Top Gear.

Did all the drivers get a chance to set a lap time?
Rob

 

[sars]

I suspect that the real reason was that if they did successfully appeal Masi’s decision to allow one lap of racing, the only possible outcome would be that they’d have to strip Verstappen of the win and title, because the race could only have finished under the safety car

I'm sorry sars, but they didn't successfully appeal, so your only possible outcome didn't happen. Max is as innocent as Lewis here, they both raced to the flag and Max won. That is a fact.

The race stewards made a decision based on the article 15.3 rule, however there is legal consensus that the rule breaches the FIA's own article 1.1.1 of the International Sporting Code, which the Stewards wouldn't consider. By going to the International Court of Appeal, so not the FIA, they could decide that because a precedent was set for the Eifel Grand Prix in 2020 that the decision broke the fairness part of code. Article 15.3 gives the Race Director carte blanche on how the safety car operates, but it has to be consistent so that the teams can plan a course of action, else how is that fair.

There are some excellent articles out there which make interesting reading, the ones I've read, by and large state that Mercedes have an excellent case, so much so that the FIA have agreed to look at ways to improve on it. If, as you both suggest there is no valid case why would the FIA care.

 

[sp3ctre]

If, as you both suggest there is no valid case why would the FIA care.

Out of interest, had it gone all the way to appeal and they decided Mercedes have a great case and ruled to nullify the whole race, would you have been happy with that?

 

[sp3ctre]

I'll pose another scenario, just for fun...

Has Perez (or any other driver for that matter) taken out Hamilton in the final laps, should you then award Hamilton the points anyway because if he wasn't taken out he would have won the race? In theory you could make a case for that, but that's not how things work in motor racing, you can't make up a ficticious result, only penalise the party in the wrong.

 

[Pondrew]

We seem to be forgetting a couple of key points here.
F1 is all a big circus for entertainment.
It revolves around one thing; MONEY.
The likes of SKY and global TV channels pay big money for the rights to show it. This season will have boosted all of their coffers by more people being interested. The FIA and Liberty won't want the sport tarnished by playground arguments in court as people will switch off next season and stop paying their very handsome wages.
Sponsors can get very upset by bad publicity too.

 

[Ole gits rule]

I’m positive that Lewis or Mercedes don’t want to win the championship in that fashion, hence the withdrawal of the appeal.

lol
That just doesn't bare out in the facts, if they didnt want to challenge or overturn the result why raise one in the first place? I dont think the how really matters to them all that much.

I am more inclined to believe that they realised if they continued to pursue it that a likely outcome would be to strike the results of that race from the record which would still result in Max winning making it a pointless, expensive and embarrassing process.

Because at the track you have a time limit for the first appeal so they have to do it while emotions are still running high, if they could appeal anytime with 5 days then the first appeal may not have gone in.

 

[Ole gits rule]

I suspect that the real reason was that if they did successfully appeal Masi’s decision to allow one lap of racing, the only possible outcome would be that they’d have to strip Verstappen of the win and title, because the race could only have finished under the safety car

I'm sorry sars, but they didn't successfully appeal, so your only possible outcome didn't happen. Max is as innocent as Lewis here, they both raced to the flag and Max won. That is a fact.

The race stewards made a decision based on the article 15.3 rule, however there is legal consensus that the rule breaches the FIA's own article 1.1.1 of the International Sporting Code, which the Stewards wouldn't consider. By going to the International Court of Appeal, so not the FIA, they could decide that because a precedent was set for the Eifel Grand Prix in 2020 that the decision broke the fairness part of code. Article 15.3 gives the Race Director carte blanche on how the safety car operates, but it has to be consistent so that the teams can plan a course of action, else how is that fair.

There are some excellent articles out there which make interesting reading, the ones I've read, by and large state that Mercedes have an excellent case, so much so that the FIA have agreed to look at ways to improve on it. If, as you both suggest there is no valid case why would the FIA care.

I agree that Merc have a very strong case but all parties have signed up any appeals handled by the FIA, it would never get CAS as both parties need to agree to it and the FIA certainly won't and Toto has said no point in going forward now as you are asking the FIA to mark their own homework.

 

[Ole gits rule]

It seems LH is still not over what has happened and he and TW will not attend the awards dinner tonight.

I dot care who won - would be harsh on Max for certain but the rules have been changed with 3 miles of racing to go and that is not acceptable.

 

[sp3ctre]

Don’t care what happened with the rules, out of respect for the winner who you fought all year you should attend the ceremony.

 

[Ole gits rule]

We seem to be forgetting a couple of key points here.
F1 is all a big circus for entertainment.
It revolves around one thing; MONEY.
The likes of SKY and global TV channels pay big money for the rights to show it. This season will have boosted all of their coffers by more people being interested. The FIA and Liberty won't want the sport tarnished by playground arguments in court as people will switch off next season and stop paying their very handsome wages.
Sponsors can get very upset by bad publicity too.

Let's see if sky subscriptions fall next year - don't think they will if LH stays, if he goes and states its because of what happened how do they stand then as the two draws for the sport are LH and MV, subscriptions will drop.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Don’t care what happened with the rules, out of respect for the winner who you fought all year you should attend the ceremony.

Agreed, they should give it to the next person and team if the driver and team don't attend to accept their award :idunno: oke:

 

[sp3ctre]

No way LH walks away… looks petty, tarnishes his image and means he will never win his 8th title.

 

[Ole gits rule]

Don’t care what happened with the rules, out of respect for the winner who you fought all year you should attend the ceremony.

Not disagreeing but I think I may also feel aggrieved - LH may have deals where he gets even more millions etc. if he had won the title, it could have cost him £20 to £30m we just don't know.

I am not certain I would attend if I was in the same situation - he clearly believes he is the rightful world champion and has been robbed and their is no real recourse to sort it out despite fairly

 

[Ole gits rule]

Don’t care what happened with the rules, out of respect for the winner who you fought all year you should attend the ceremony.

Agreed, they should give it to the next person and team if the driver and team don't attend to accept their award :idunno: oke:

What award is LH collecting - nothing and Merc have the tech boss their to collect their trophy

 

[Ole gits rule]

No way LH walks away… looks petty, tarnishes his image and means he will never win his 8th title.

Agreed but be interesting to see how the rules are tightened up next year

 

[sp3ctre]

it could have cost him £20 to £30m we just don't know.

Pretty sure it is not about the money. He is (correct me if wrong) the highest paid sports person in the world. It’s just a statement.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Pretty sure it is not about the money. He is (correct me if wrong) the highest paid sports person in the world. It’s just a statement.

We all know he loves doing those! :rofl:

 

[sp3ctre]

Agreed but be interesting to see how the rules are tightened up next year

True, and I imagine as the victim of what happened along with the pull he has, he may leverage the possibility of walking away to make the changes as he would like them. The FIA certainly won’t want him to walk and will ideally be looking for a LH statement ahead if 2022 saying he approves of the changes.

 

[sp3ctre]

We all know he loves doing those!

Yeah, the real reason he didn’t attend is he was so busy getting knighted he didn’t have time to pick out a dress.!

 

[Flyingfifer]

Yeah, the real reason he didn’t attend is he was so busy getting knighted he didn’t have time to pick out a dress.!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
exquisite