My plan this year is to p/x my E92 M3 for a Nissan GTR (2014 MY), happy with keeping the Z as a daily driver tho 
Where would you/did you go from an M?
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Problem with a turbo is it then doesn't sound as good.
I find it a very interesting - if predictable - topic because you see what people value in cars and also appreciate that the Z4 is very much a box-ticker for a lot of people.
911s are superb cars for sure, but the Boxster has truly come of age now the 911 has got so much power, it has allowed the Boxster to have a "just right" amount
I find it a very interesting - if predictable - topic because you see what people value in cars and also appreciate that the Z4 is very much a box-ticker for a lot of people.
911s are superb cars for sure, but the Boxster has truly come of age now the 911 has got so much power, it has allowed the Boxster to have a "just right" amount
I do think the rules of this game should be within the 'same price bracket' otherwise we'd all have a 991 GT3 all day long.
So, sub £20k what else would you go for in the next 12 months...??? (let's exclude the predictable, but excellent boxster/cayman S)
So, sub £20k what else would you go for in the next 12 months...??? (let's exclude the predictable, but excellent boxster/cayman S)
Angelus666 said:
I suppose there's two ways to do it
1) What would possibly get your attention for the price of an M?
2) What is good enough to make you fork out for an upgrade over the M?
I find it speaks volumes about the BMW that an awful lot of money has to be spent to get something consideration-worthy that is better.
The issue too is just because you pay twice the money for something, doesn't mean you've got twice the car.
The Smart flipflop is a 2 seater roadster but that's not comparable either imho.... :rofl:
Otherwise, um... ... Size. Weight. Depreciation. Cost. Build quality. Interior quality. Noise. Silence. Ride. Engineering. Toys. Supercharger. V8. Auto. Wheel size. Space. Comfort. Weight. Servicing cost. ... They don't compare, my view of course.
Otherwise, um... ... Size. Weight. Depreciation. Cost. Build quality. Interior quality. Noise. Silence. Ride. Engineering. Toys. Supercharger. V8. Auto. Wheel size. Space. Comfort. Weight. Servicing cost. ... They don't compare, my view of course.
My next door but one has an SL63AMG. You can get them for around £30k now.
The odd thing about the SL is that although on paper it might seem like a rival, I certainly can't think of anyone who likes the E85/86 M as wanting one. I've only driven the previous gen (05 plate) SL350, but the general impression was of a bit, soft GT car with every control way, way over-servo'd.
Also they weigh nearly 2 tonnes IIRC, which is obscene for something with two seats!
Still a lovely noise from the AMG division ones, I don't know if they steer and handle differently too?
Also they weigh nearly 2 tonnes IIRC, which is obscene for something with two seats!
Still a lovely noise from the AMG division ones, I don't know if they steer and handle differently too?
JayEmm said:
I agree it's certainly a different direction from the Z4, but definitely not something that all would rule out. We've had members go from the Z4 to M3, M5, TT. Also move the other way to Caterhams, Exige, VX220 which are all far more focused than the Z4.
As I understand we are not just comparing / discussing what the Z4M's rivals are, but what cars owners may be tempted to move towards. For me, I think the SL 55 AMG may create an itch for a few Z4M owners.
I've also been out with an R8 V8 and they are no faster than the MR across country. 
On the roads around me, what I have found halts progress with something like an R8 is the sheer girth of the car. It is very wide, so much so that you spend more time worrying about what is coming the other direction than you do about enjoying the drive. A shame, because they are cracking cars.
The 355 does sound and look utterly stunning - really that's all you want from a Ferrari. Even a 355 is quick enough to lose your licence with and is easy enough to drive so I'm not hugely fussed. If I wanted to go very very fast without any fuss a 911 turbo would probably be where it is at (or something like an Impreza I guess, but that isn't quite the same thing).
I'd be very interested to see a 355 and an M on a dyno next to each other. I know Ferrari quote "dry" weights so the 1350Kg or so they claim for the 355 is probably similar (if not heavier than) the z4m's quoted 1410/1420. Plus Italian horses never seem quite as strong as German ones.
My dad, once upon a time, had the E36 M3 and a 328 - said no way the 328 would keep up with the M3, but of course the Ferrari was considerably more of an event and more fun to drive (he had no love for that M3 at all)
The 355 does sound and look utterly stunning - really that's all you want from a Ferrari. Even a 355 is quick enough to lose your licence with and is easy enough to drive so I'm not hugely fussed. If I wanted to go very very fast without any fuss a 911 turbo would probably be where it is at (or something like an Impreza I guess, but that isn't quite the same thing).
I'd be very interested to see a 355 and an M on a dyno next to each other. I know Ferrari quote "dry" weights so the 1350Kg or so they claim for the 355 is probably similar (if not heavier than) the z4m's quoted 1410/1420. Plus Italian horses never seem quite as strong as German ones.
My dad, once upon a time, had the E36 M3 and a 328 - said no way the 328 would keep up with the M3, but of course the Ferrari was considerably more of an event and more fun to drive (he had no love for that M3 at all)
Paulwirral
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Slk 55 amg , a tvr that doesn't break down , just make sure the brakes were replaced the day before you buy one :rofl:
I did see somewhere a slightly terrifying quote for a set of discs/pads on an AMG merc - not sure which one but it was the same as replacing a set on a Lambo or something. With a second hand Ferrari I don't think you'll expect it to be cheap to service, but a merc would catch people out.
The Z4M is fairly expensive to run, but nothing on it seems hideously bad.
The Z4M is fairly expensive to run, but nothing on it seems hideously bad.
Well, maybe. So might the R8 or any number of carbon italians. Or a corvette.StevenH72 said:
They're not similar though, the SL55K or SL63 for that matter is a velvet GT with a colossal punch; the M is much more edgy and immediate. If you love one I can't see how the other is an agreeable compromise. Have both of course.
Paulwirral
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2k plus for front discs and pads , I nearly bought one , but there is no aftermarket alternative for discs yet , or at least there wasn't a year ago .JayEmm said:
Tried to buy a couple of 350s but they are 3k more than a z4 , 350 slk is a very underrated and overpriced car , z4 drives a little better and is cheaper .
