What real world difference is there between engines?
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For pre-facelift -
Leather (although most others have it anyway)
6 speed
Electric seats
Auto lights
Auto wipers
Dimming rear mirror
M suspension
Different interior trim
Different headlight surround
Different front grille
Some others??
Leather (although most others have it anyway)
6 speed
Electric seats
Auto lights
Auto wipers
Dimming rear mirror
M suspension
Different interior trim
Different headlight surround
Different front grille
Some others??
MC28REPSOL
Member
LOL .... you all are wrong!
in real world street driving, all cars are all the same. last time i looked the speed limit is 65mph and in some places 85mph. so anything over that is a waist! even my 1.8 honda can do that! :driving: so what is everyone talking about?
in real world street driving, all cars are all the same. last time i looked the speed limit is 65mph and in some places 85mph. so anything over that is a waist! even my 1.8 honda can do that! :driving: so what is everyone talking about?
ovrkll said:
I'll say it again... 2.5 to 3.0si, not much of a NOTICEABLE difference (however there IS a difference 0-62 in 6.0 vs. 5.7 and 185hp vs. 255hp).
As ovrkll stated and having test driven an //M I can attest to the fact that the difference between the 3.0si and the //M IS noticable! Now, when him and I were playing, I gotta preface our experience with the fact that I was limited to 5500rmp's due to the fact that I was still in the engine break-in period, but his //M was hands down, no doubt, black and white a LOT faster than my 3.0si. I mean, come on - 255hp vs 335hp and 0-62 in 5.7 vs. 5.0 - that is a noticable difference.
MC28REPSOL
Member
this started off by being a is there any real world driving difference between the different engine sizes? and has turned into the classic ... mines better then yours and then the cost factor comes into play.
in reality life is all about those that "Have" and those that "Have Not"
LOL .... this is true with everything in life. those that have talk about it and those that don't try to justify that their's even tho inferior are just as good or even better!
here's some great quotes that always makes me laugh ... again i'll bet started by those that are lacking:
"anything more then a mouth full is a waist" yea right, that's why the Wonder Bra is the #1 selling bra in the world!
"it's not the size of the wave ... but the motion of the ocean" LOL, ever hear of Penis Envy? and i'm sure that those that have
are saying man i sure wish it was smaller!
"money can't buy you happiness" well be poor and i can bet your not happy! and for those that have money and are not happy ... those are people that don't know how to spend it.
so is a M better that a Non-M? Hell Yes! like it or not. it is what it is.
in reality life is all about those that "Have" and those that "Have Not"
Breaker said:The only ones saying it is faster are the people who own an M!:fuelfire:
LOL .... this is true with everything in life. those that have talk about it and those that don't try to justify that their's even tho inferior are just as good or even better!
here's some great quotes that always makes me laugh ... again i'll bet started by those that are lacking:
"anything more then a mouth full is a waist" yea right, that's why the Wonder Bra is the #1 selling bra in the world!
"it's not the size of the wave ... but the motion of the ocean" LOL, ever hear of Penis Envy? and i'm sure that those that have
are saying man i sure wish it was smaller!"money can't buy you happiness" well be poor and i can bet your not happy! and for those that have money and are not happy ... those are people that don't know how to spend it.
so is a M better that a Non-M? Hell Yes! like it or not. it is what it is.
MC28REPSOL, We're just having fun here. As a newbie, you are forgiven and your comments are awesome!!! This forum is historically notorious for thread hijacks and ranting on about nothing all in the name of fun! Welcome to the madness! I think you'll fit in well here based on your synopsis of our bickering 
There is a difference between ///M and non-M. I use to drive a 3.0 feel the ///M premium is too much. The 3.0 is a nice engine for all around performance. It is good for D-D and spirited driving. A post was saying the 50-75 in 4th gear is no difference between the two. It is not a fair comparison because the 3.0 is at the meat of the torgue while the ///M does get near the torque band of the S54. D-D driving is so different with the M power you can tap into. As to passing, the ///M hands down will eat all others for lunch. How many production cars can go from 6th to 3rd cruising at 80mph? Driving the ///M is very different from a 3.0/2.5. You really need to drive it hard. I like to know if any 2.5/3.0 owners have taken their car to 120mph in 4th gear?
Yes, the M is faster but is it faster enough to warrant the extra costs (buying and running)?MC28REPSOL said:this started off by being a is there any real world driving difference between the different engine sizes? and has turned into the classic ... mines better then yours and then the cost factor comes into play.
in reality life is all about those that "Have" and those that "Have Not"
Breaker said:The only ones saying it is faster are the people who own an M!
LOL .... this is true with everything in life. those that have talk about it and those that don't try to justify that their's even tho inferior are just as good or even better!
here's some great quotes that always makes me laugh ... again i'll bet started by those that are lacking:
"anything more then a mouth full is a waist" yea right, that's why the Wonder Bra is the #1 selling bra in the world!
"it's not the size of the wave ... but the motion of the ocean" LOL, ever hear of Penis Envy? and i'm sure that those that have
"money can't buy you happiness" well be poor and i can bet your not happy! and for those that have money and are not happy ... those are people that don't know how to spend it.
so is a M better that a Non-M? Hell Yes! like it or not. it is what it is.
I am fortunate enough to have bought my Z4 outright and yes, I could have bought an M so I haven't "made do" with the 3.0l. :wink: I personally didn't think the M "driving on the road as a road car not a track" felt a much better car than the 3.0l. If it did, I would be sat in one now!
I bought the John Cooper Works MINI S over the standard Cooper S. It had more horsepower than the standard S but on the road didn't feel that much quicker. The reason I bought it was because of the extra kit and the badge (and it came along at the right price!).
GP20 said:
I'm glad you think so! A different front fender and an extra exhaust pipe (and less trunk space!)Do you know the cost differences in the UK in running never mind buying an M version!
Easy to say, harder to prove especially on the road!! :driving: :wink: I "followed" an M3 in my JCW MINI once. Couldn't shake me off! (actually that MINI was awesome on the road. I love the Z4 but really miss the MINI also. Should have kept it as well!! On the road, there isn't much quicker A to B).GP20 said:
Honestly, if it was worth the extra I would have bought one but the differences for me just don't add up! Maybe I should have blindly bought the M just because it was the M like some obviously have! :fuelfire:
Does servicing cost much more in the USA for the M version as it does in the UK? Also, you don't have the yearly road tax that is priced to the emissions that we have. The M tax looks set to rocket next year if the Government gets it's way! Actually, you may see me in an M next year when the bottom drops out of the market as they may be a steal second hand if that tax hits! The buying costs will shrink between the M and 3.0si. :wink:
Already happening. One dealer near me has a 330D M sport. 2007, 3,000 miles £32,450.
Same dealer, Z4 M. 2007, 6,000 miles, £30,150.
Mind you the Z4's in general are dropping in price second hand at the moment, but the gap between the M and the 3.0si is getting smaller! :wink:
Already happening. One dealer near me has a 330D M sport. 2007, 3,000 miles £32,450.
Same dealer, Z4 M. 2007, 6,000 miles, £30,150.
Mind you the Z4's in general are dropping in price second hand at the moment, but the gap between the M and the 3.0si is getting smaller! :wink:
Servicing is completely free, even the windshield wipers, while under the warranty period :wink: Yearly registration/road tax, varies by state and is usually based on the vehicle value rather than emissions. Since the 3.0si fully specced is not much less than an //M, the overall running costs year to year are not that much different (excluding gas :lol: )
Cheers!
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