Virus worries

[ronk]

I fear this is only the beginning.
It’s ok for Boris and his merry men to preach calm and restraint but I will lay Lincoln odds that they aren’t in a queue for their weekly grocery shop!

 

[Chris_D]

Some more promising news from Dr. Berg

[youtube]9CF_W0XX_Kw[/youtube]

 

[Argyll Andy]

I work in a school and can say from my side of it that our superiors do not have a clue what to do or how to organise it.
Up until 1pm on Friday, although I knew the schools were closing that day, I didnt know what I was to do come Monday morning.
At 1pm on Friday I was told that my school was on the list of schools that would stay open for vulnerable kids and kids of frontline workers.
They have no idea how many kids will be coming to the school and I imagine they may only know the numbers on Monday getting ready for the influx on Tuesday.
As council employees we are pretty much all classed as frontline workers and have to turn up for work as normal on Monday morning. The only difference is that if the school you normally worked in is closed you must go to the nearest high school and then be told what you are doing that day.
Basically herding people from different areas into the one building with people you dont normally get in contact with.
I have a difficult decision to make as my wife has asthma (she has been pretty much working from home for most of last year with the project she is working on) I am slightly worried about bringing the virus home to her. I do not want to stop working as I feel its like giving in, I have not been off work since October 2009, I dont stay off work.
Where other departments in the council were asking their workers if they had any health issues that meant they should self isolate or work from home, we were not asked as they cannot afford for any of us to stay at home, we have been short staffed for years.
We at the lower end do not count.

My job for the LA means I provide support to 15 Primaries, a High School and a Campus which has a Special Needs unit within it. As of lunchtime on Friday I didn’t have all the information and I was involved in coordinating it. It’s definitely moving too quickly to put everything in place for when needed

My teams in the different schools are asking the exact same things, have we to attend, where, doing what, who with, if we’re in a new location what if someone from another school brings in the virus etc etc. It’s a very difficult position for them and people like you who want to do the right thing but have other circumstances to take into account. I most definitely didn’t want to be at home but have two chronic illness which meant the health checklist was like playing bingo without a prize for me. I was instructed not to attend any school within an hour of the social distancing announcement.

I got a phone call from a doctor about 2 on Friday and after we’d finished the consultation, where I was quarantined she asked me if I could give her information about what she was to do with her kids Monday morning as a key worker with no child care. All I could tell her was she’d receive information shortly but IMO Monday/Tuesday/Wednesday would just be somewhere safe for them to go until we worked out exactly what was to be provided in the longer term.

It’s an absolutely awful time for everyone for a whole range of reasons from health to financial issues and everything in between.

I just hope everyone can navigate this as well as possible and come out the other side relatively unscathed

 

[john-e89]

I fear this is only the beginning.
It’s ok for Boris and his merry men to preach calm and restraint but I will lay Lincoln odds that they aren’t in a queue for their weekly grocery shop!

No but what is he supposed to say Ronk..? Oh yep fine you lot carry on and kill each other panicking and being nasty to others trying their level best to help you..? If he went to a supermarket he’d get linched by knuckle draggers who just constantly want someone to blame no matter how ridiculous. It’s all very well folk criticising all the time but you show me someone who has all the correct answers right away.

 

[ronk]

Some more promising news from Dr. Berg

[youtube]9CF_W0XX_Kw[/youtube]

I sincerely hope that there is some treatment on the horizon until a vaccine is available.
A vaccine against stupidity might be the impossible dream - there are a load of kids in the street all playing as kids do but their parents are standing shoulder to shoulder talking!
At this time it’s assumed that there is little chance of it in this area ( currently) but these people should be setting an example of what’s around the corner!

 

[ronk]

I fear this is only the beginning.
It’s ok for Boris and his merry men to preach calm and restraint but I will lay Lincoln odds that they aren’t in a queue for their weekly grocery shop!

No but what is he supposed to say Ronk..? Oh yep fine you lot carry on and kill each other panicking and being nasty to others trying their level best to help you..? If he went to a supermarket he’d get linched by knuckle draggers who just constantly want someone to blame no matter how ridiculous. It’s all very well folk criticising all the time but you show me someone who has all the correct answers right away.

Self preservation / survival is a basic instinct and while I fully agree that Boris et al couldn’t go to Tesco there should be better provisions (no pun intended) for those he has rightly asked to lock down - I priority for home delivery ? It’s 10 or 12 days for me. I can’t ask anyone to get my shop and look like they are hoarders.

 

[Tinker15]

I fear this is only the beginning.
It’s ok for Boris and his merry men to preach calm and restraint but I will lay Lincoln odds that they aren’t in a queue for their weekly grocery shop!

No but what is he supposed to say Ronk..? Oh yep fine you lot carry on and kill each other panicking and being nasty to others trying their level best to help you..? If he went to a supermarket he’d get linched by knuckle draggers who just constantly want someone to blame no matter how ridiculous. It’s all very well folk criticising all the time but you show me someone who has all the correct answers right away.

Absolutely! The keyboard warriors are having a field day. Thank God they are not in charge. I’m 78 and am doing what the government suggests. These times are unprecedented and hopefully in time we will all come out of it with our health and sanity intact.

 

[jabber]

I believe that if people keep on disregarding all the calls to avoid social contact then a lockdown will quickly follow. My son is a marine and is on standby to be used in the UK. Hopefully people will heed the calls but I doubt it. Personally we are currently in the process of moving my 85 yr old mother in law who is house bound due to health in with us.

 

[mr.tourette]

Unfortunately we are in deep s**t now, our Government hasn't taken this seriously enough from the start, if we had put tougher measures in earlier we could have contained this much better as shown in South Korea, im truly appalled at our Government's handling of this, there is going to be a lot of deaths that could have been prevented if we had took the action we are taking now 3 weeks ago

The government has been following advice given by Sir Patrick John Thompson Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP and Professor Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci. It’s always interesting reading the views of armchair critics but I prefer to listen to those who are suitably qualified.

Odd how our scientists have taken a different line to those that have been more successful in containing it and frankly any armchair critic with a decent dose of common sense and a modicum of intelligence can see exactly the path this virus has run all over the world..we had the advantage of seeing it play out and still didn't act on it so your Sir Patrick John Thompson Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP and Professor Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci whilst being wonderfully qualified seem to be lacking in having the balls to put enough pressure on this inept government to act swiftly

 

[BeeEmm]

Break for tea anyone?

 

[Anonymous]

I fear this is only the beginning.
It’s ok for Boris and his merry men to preach calm and restraint but I will lay Lincoln odds that they aren’t in a queue for their weekly grocery shop!

No but what is he supposed to say Ronk..? Oh yep fine you lot carry on and kill each other panicking and being nasty to others trying their level best to help you..? If he went to a supermarket he’d get linched by knuckle draggers who just constantly want someone to blame no matter how ridiculous. It’s all very well folk criticising all the time but you show me someone who has all the correct answers right away.

Self preservation / survival is a basic instinct and while I fully agree that Boris et al couldn’t go to Tesco there should be better provisions (no pun intended) for those he has rightly asked to lock down - I priority for home delivery ? It’s 10 or 12 days for me. I can’t ask anyone to get my shop and look like they are hoarders.

Hi Ron, are you saying that you can’t get anyone to assist you with getting some shopping?

 

[ronk]

There’s a lady down the road who has collected my meds’ and the odd loaf of bread! I don’t really want to ask her to get a big shop in as it will look like she’s panicking buying,

We have a Tesco order in for this Thursday then another for a fortnight later from Morrison’s - we aren’t going to starve but the beer, wine etc keep getting removed from the order.
I have sufficient meds in for the 12 weeks as I started to build up a bit of a backstop pre Brexit!

I think I’m going to start rationing in the household .

The local Parish council is starting to form a help group so I hope for some help there.

 

[TitanTim]

I think the Govt will be announcing this week an action plan for food parcel deliveries for people in isolation who have no one to hand to help out with essential items shopping. I guess this means the army being drafted in. I'm guessing food parcels will be put together with non perishable foods that will be on standby for anyone who requires help.

This was my local country park yesterday,





Tim.

 

[Nictrix]

Something that has just crossed my mind after reading for sale posts here and also contacting the place where I bought my bike battery last year as I need to send it back to them is should the post and deliveries be put on hold for a while as surely this is an ideal way to spread something from one end of the country to the other.

 

[M1k3yC]

should the post and deliveries be put on hold for a while as surely this is an ideal way to spread something from one end of the country to the other.

I think that is unlikely unless the delivery driver is sick and coughs all over the recipients of packages. To be clear, I am not qualified to make any statements about what is or isn't a risk, but if you refer to the following page you'll see: "Staff should continue to follow existing risk assessments and safe systems of working; there are no additional precautions needed for handling post or packages."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19#handling-post-or-packages

To be safe, don't lick your post! :wink:

 

[Chris_D]

should the post and deliveries be put on hold for a while as surely this is an ideal way to spread something from one end of the country to the other.

I think that is unlikely unless the delivery driver is sick and coughs all over the recipients of packages. To be clear, I am not qualified to make any statements about what is or isn't a risk, but if you refer to the following page you'll see: "Staff should continue to follow existing risk assessments and safe systems of working; there are no additional precautions needed for handling post or packages."

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-to-employers-and-businesses-about-covid-19/guidance-for-employers-and-businesses-on-coronavirus-covid-19#handling-post-or-packages

To be safe, don't lick your post! :wink:

One of the links to a study in my post above suggests that Covid19 could survive on certain materials for a length of time. So yes, in principle it could reasonably be supposed that this could be a transmittal method.

 

[M1k3yC]

One of the links to a study in my post above suggests that Covid19 could survive on certain materials for a length of time. So yes, in principle it could reasonably be supposed that this could be a transmittal method.

A question about receiving post was asked on BBC breakfast and they had qualified professionals in the studio. The answer was that post is safe.

Technically, I think you're right about it surviving on certain materials and that did come up. However, the point made by the person delivering the answer was that this was under ideal conditions and you do not eat your post. So, if you want to be extra careful, wash your hands after handling packages and even don't handle a package (e.g. to unbox an item) from an unknown source for a day or two. I didn't really want to debate the theoretical possibilities (see my previous comment about not being qualified), but I also don't want people worrying too much about the tiny theoretical risks. I can see from speaking to my own parents that the unknown and "what ifs" are making people stressed.

 

[Chris_D]

One of the links to a study in my post above suggests that Covid19 could survive on certain materials for a length of time. So yes, in principle it could reasonably be supposed that this could be a transmittal method.

A question about receiving post was asked on BBC breakfast and they had qualified professionals in the studio. The answer was that post is safe.

Technically, I think you're right about it surviving on certain materials and that did come up. However, the point made by the person delivering the answer was that this was under ideal conditions and you do not eat your post. So, if you want to be extra careful, wash your hands after handling packages and even don't handle a package (e.g. to unbox an item) from an unknown source for a day or two. I didn't really want to debate the theoretical possibilities (see my previous comment about not being qualified), but I also don't want people worrying too much about the tiny theoretical risks. I can see from speaking to my own parents that the unknown and "what ifs" are making people stressed.

Agree.
However, the study I referred to was clinical and not theoretical. I'd prefer to accept the findings of a clinical study rather than the opinion of a 'well-qualified' individual any day of the week.

Personally, I prefer to err on the side of caution rather than take unecessary risks. 3 months in IC with respiratory illness is not something I want to go through again.
:wink:

 

[BeeEmm]

I use disposable gloves to remove packaging, then bin the packaging and the gloves. I do the same when shopping. Gloves on when leaving the car, gloves off on returning to the car. They turn inside out as you remove them.

 

[ronk]

Personally, I prefer to err on the side of caution rather than take unecessary risks. 3 months in IC with respiratory illness is not something I want to go through again.
:wink:

I can understand why!

How are things in the Netherlands? How are authorities dealing with it ?