Virus worries
- Thread starter ronk
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Attleborough, Norfolk
Ah, but let's just consider the key worker thing for a minute.
Local school still has >60% attendance! Reason being, a lot of the parents are 'delivery drivers', so they can leave their kids in school.
No, not essential goods like food, medicines, home deliveries to old folks or anything like that!
We have a large DPD depot down the road. They are busy every day making sure people get their car polish, water softener tablets, sex toys etc. They meet dozens of people on their rounds, go home, socialise with their kids, who then go back to school and spend the whole day less than the recommended distance from the teachers.
Methinks there should be slightly tighter definitions here!
Quick Edit!
This is in no way meant to be a rant at the genuine KEY workers, without whom we would all be much deeper in the sh1t. Thank you to every one of them.
Local school still has >60% attendance! Reason being, a lot of the parents are 'delivery drivers', so they can leave their kids in school.
No, not essential goods like food, medicines, home deliveries to old folks or anything like that!
We have a large DPD depot down the road. They are busy every day making sure people get their car polish, water softener tablets, sex toys etc. They meet dozens of people on their rounds, go home, socialise with their kids, who then go back to school and spend the whole day less than the recommended distance from the teachers.
Methinks there should be slightly tighter definitions here!
Quick Edit!
This is in no way meant to be a rant at the genuine KEY workers, without whom we would all be much deeper in the sh1t. Thank you to every one of them.
Being an old diabetic git - I have been told to self isolate - how can I to feed myself without getting a home delivery?
These seem to be two or three weeks apart - Ive probably got some old stuff in the freezer to fill the gaps but it will be a bit of a struggle.
I don't have much Guiness in stock so I'm limiting it to one a night!
These seem to be two or three weeks apart - Ive probably got some old stuff in the freezer to fill the gaps but it will be a bit of a struggle.
I don't have much Guiness in stock so I'm limiting it to one a night!
enuff_zed said:
Well apart from the erosion of the town centre brought on by retail parks and shopping online, which is a whole different discussion, personally I can’t see much of a problem with DPD etc, driver knocks on door, stands well back, leaves parcel on the doorstep, or wears gloves to accept a signature standing outside as normal. Surely that’s better than having a department store full of infectious clientele no..?
Unfortunately the b@stards who've been panic-buying/hoarding will just see it as justification for their actions, as they'll see that shops are now closed, and not figure out it's because of their selfish behaviour.enuff_zed said:
I see these people as 'legal looters' and we all know what happens to looters when Martial law is brought in :evil: .
My wife has asthma and lives in fear of getting it as it could kill her with her lungs being what they are.
Looks like I'm going to keep working as an 'essential service' providing support for Hospitals, Police, Defence etc so won't be self-isolating unless I actually get it, I think.
I get sick and fed up of anyone knocking our preparedness, or lack of, for the exponential spread of the Coronavirus and then blaming the government for it. Take PPE (Personal Protection Equipment) for example: I've heard some claiming that the hospital staff are having to use out-of-date stock and then other claiming there's a shortage of certain items. This is NOT the government's fault: it must be the fault of the administrative staff in the hospitals whom have failed their clinical colleagues. Stockpiling of PPE in each and every hospital is surely NOT the best way of managing national resources of these items. Over the past few years we've heard a lot about "just in time" procedures for the manufacturing of cars, surely the same principle applies to centralised storage of equipment in the NHS which can be delivered to hospitals around the country on an "as and when needed" basis? The present need is greater in London than it is in many other regions, so it's only right that the items are directed to where they're needed.
The same applies to ventilators. I watched an interview a couple of nights ago with the CE of a relatively small-scale ventilator manufacturer standing besides one of his company's ultra-sophisticated (and exorbitantly expensive) ventilators, saying that he's had no communication from the government requesting more of his kit. In times of unprecedented need like this, it must be possible for our large-scale manufacturers to knock out hundreds of thousands of relatively basic ventilators which will make all the difference between life and death to those in need of any form of ventilation. We know that the government has been in touch with JCB and car manufacturers to help produce ventilators and I have every faith that production will now be well under way. I am sure that a car manufacturer could knock up a very basic ventilator ( electronically controlled bellows) operated by a windscreen wiper motor and its variable speed controls and other parts which will already be available to them and put it all in an enclosure with a few knobs and gauges. If you've seen the original "Iron Lung" at Nuffield Place, the home of William Morris (Lord Nuffield) the founder of Morris Motors, you can see it's all been done before. In times of national crisis, such as the present threat of Coronavirus and WWII etc. we need "doers" and positive attitude not effing moaners and negativity.
The same applies to ventilators. I watched an interview a couple of nights ago with the CE of a relatively small-scale ventilator manufacturer standing besides one of his company's ultra-sophisticated (and exorbitantly expensive) ventilators, saying that he's had no communication from the government requesting more of his kit. In times of unprecedented need like this, it must be possible for our large-scale manufacturers to knock out hundreds of thousands of relatively basic ventilators which will make all the difference between life and death to those in need of any form of ventilation. We know that the government has been in touch with JCB and car manufacturers to help produce ventilators and I have every faith that production will now be well under way. I am sure that a car manufacturer could knock up a very basic ventilator ( electronically controlled bellows) operated by a windscreen wiper motor and its variable speed controls and other parts which will already be available to them and put it all in an enclosure with a few knobs and gauges. If you've seen the original "Iron Lung" at Nuffield Place, the home of William Morris (Lord Nuffield) the founder of Morris Motors, you can see it's all been done before. In times of national crisis, such as the present threat of Coronavirus and WWII etc. we need "doers" and positive attitude not effing moaners and negativity.
john-e89 said:
I don't disagree with you John. Perhaps I wasn't being that clear. My point was that, in my personal opinion only, the government definition of 'key workers' is too broad with regard to delivery drivers, as it is meaning many more children still in school than should be the case, with all the attendant issues that brings with it..... more teachers exposed etc.
I agree the delivery drivers themselves aren't an issue, it is the care of their children, who mix with other children and bring it home with them. If the massive upheaval to the schools was meant to help the situation then the key worker definition should maybe have been made more stringent.
As with everything, we only see a small part of the picture and are mostly taking wild stabs at theories, guided by our own thoughts and prejudices.
The government see the whole picture and we can only trust that they are acting to the best of their abilities (which I believe they are)
enuff_zed said:
I get your point enuff_zed but you mention the care of the delivery drivers kids for example, but if they’re NOT looked after in schools etc, then the drivers cannot work, there’s no other choice, and the public goes without, which you’ll know what would happen then....!! :roll: Yep that’s probably the solution which I agree with you on, but the reality is different due to people going without. I’m there are huge juggling acts going on behind closed doors, and finding the perfect solution to lots of issues is near impossible, I certainly wouldn’t want the job..!! I do think the government is doing a damn good job in uncharted waters I must say.
The vast populalation of this country will not do as they are advised be that panic buying or social distance,until the effect to them is real,be that illness to them or family members,then they may take it serious.by this time its a bit late.
Look at the rest of the world we are not immune because we won 2 wars and drink tea.
I have seen some of the stupity going on in our communities and it makes me quite ashamed,when 10 members of staff have burst into tears in 1 day,and this is not supposed to be an high stress workplace.
Thanks to all you who are taking the brunt of this lunacy
Nhs,and all emergency workers.
And others doing a stirlng job
And the guys who wash my zed at the weekend,
A sense of humour is always good in these times
Look at the rest of the world we are not immune because we won 2 wars and drink tea.
I have seen some of the stupity going on in our communities and it makes me quite ashamed,when 10 members of staff have burst into tears in 1 day,and this is not supposed to be an high stress workplace.
Thanks to all you who are taking the brunt of this lunacy
Nhs,and all emergency workers.
And others doing a stirlng job
And the guys who wash my zed at the weekend,
A sense of humour is always good in these times
My sister has contracted this thing 
. She text me today about it and went down on Tuesday with it. She is self isolating and her family are living in the far side of the house. She has a friend who is an NHS nurse, who is monitoring her and 'keeping an eye' on her progress. She is a fit and healthy 45yr old . She said she wouldnt wish this on anyone and has 'never been so ill'. From a respiratory perspective, she said this is the most terrible part , in not being able to breathe . I never thought it would enter my family, but was wrong. She does live in the centre of Windsor, where , even the weeks leading up the stage we are in, was always full of tourists and visitors. I am guessing its all part of the 'social infection' where its been passed through from one host to another and then to her. She isnt stupid and wont do anything that would cause a potential infection. She does run a montessori school ( her business) with children , which has now closed .
I guess I am saying that , social contact , with BoJo is trying to prevent , is potentially the best way to stop this infection movement and having my little sis now struggling to get well , shows we must all do our part to prevent as quickly as possible.
. She text me today about it and went down on Tuesday with it. She is self isolating and her family are living in the far side of the house. She has a friend who is an NHS nurse, who is monitoring her and 'keeping an eye' on her progress. She is a fit and healthy 45yr old . She said she wouldnt wish this on anyone and has 'never been so ill'. From a respiratory perspective, she said this is the most terrible part , in not being able to breathe . I never thought it would enter my family, but was wrong. She does live in the centre of Windsor, where , even the weeks leading up the stage we are in, was always full of tourists and visitors. I am guessing its all part of the 'social infection' where its been passed through from one host to another and then to her. She isnt stupid and wont do anything that would cause a potential infection. She does run a montessori school ( her business) with children , which has now closed . I guess I am saying that , social contact , with BoJo is trying to prevent , is potentially the best way to stop this infection movement and having my little sis now struggling to get well , shows we must all do our part to prevent as quickly as possible.
Scarey — Here’s every good wish for a speedy recovery for your sister.
I hear what you say about the tourists etc - Just a few days prior it seemed nothing more than a media Hype in other parts of the world - then wham!
Back to the dark ages it seems - I think we really need rationing. Appealing for calm and tolerance just isn’t going to work.
I hear what you say about the tourists etc - Just a few days prior it seemed nothing more than a media Hype in other parts of the world - then wham!
Back to the dark ages it seems - I think we really need rationing. Appealing for calm and tolerance just isn’t going to work.
A friend of ours is 65 and is considered high risk, with a few health issues. Her daughter lives in London, and has been out meeting friends just like normal. Now she says it is all 'so upsetting' that she can't cope and is coming to Norfolk to stay with her mum!!!
What kind of a selfish attitude is that, when you're such a snowflake you'd rather risk killing your mother than stay indoors for a few days?
Her answer? "I don't think I've got it".
We should be culling these people, before they do for us!
What kind of a selfish attitude is that, when you're such a snowflake you'd rather risk killing your mother than stay indoors for a few days?
Her answer? "I don't think I've got it".
We should be culling these people, before they do for us!
My mate just come round and I said about him and isolation. He has sarcoidosis . He has just had a hole in heart repair literally 3 months ago. He just said 'whats the problem ?, there isnt one ' :roll:
I just said about my sister being extremely unwell and he should be self isolating . He got the grump, said stuff you , got in his car and drove off......
Ironically, the current wife had text him earlier in the day asking if he needed shopping, as she thought he 'was' self isolating, because of his health issues.
Sometimes I do wonder about people.................... :x
I just said about my sister being extremely unwell and he should be self isolating . He got the grump, said stuff you , got in his car and drove off......
Ironically, the current wife had text him earlier in the day asking if he needed shopping, as she thought he 'was' self isolating, because of his health issues.
Sometimes I do wonder about people.................... :x
Unfortunately we are in deep s**t now, our Government hasn't taken this seriously enough from the start, if we had put tougher measures in earlier we could have contained this much better as shown in South Korea, im truly appalled at our Government's handling of this, there is going to be a lot of deaths that could have been prevented if we had took the action we are taking now 3 weeks ago
Not wanting to contribute to any sort of fear-mongering but I'm posting these links with the intention of purely providing information only.
Please choose to accept or ignore at your own discretion, but after reading I am now substantially even more cautious than I was previously.
They are links to 2 study summaries published on the sciencedaily website and make for interesting reading if not actually conclusive.
up to 24 hours contageous on plastics, paper
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200320192755.htm
Transmissable before symptoms show
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200316143313.htm
Please consider forwarding these on to anyone who you think does NOT understand or appreciate the risks and seriousness involved with this particular virus.
Please choose to accept or ignore at your own discretion, but after reading I am now substantially even more cautious than I was previously.
They are links to 2 study summaries published on the sciencedaily website and make for interesting reading if not actually conclusive.
up to 24 hours contageous on plastics, paper
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200320192755.htm
Transmissable before symptoms show
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/03/200316143313.htm
Please consider forwarding these on to anyone who you think does NOT understand or appreciate the risks and seriousness involved with this particular virus.
mr.tourette said:
The government has been following advice given by Sir Patrick John Thompson Vallance FRS FMedSci FRCP and Professor Christopher John MacRae Whitty CB FRCP FFPH FMedSci. It’s always interesting reading the views of armchair critics but I prefer to listen to those who are suitably qualified.
I work in a school and can say from my side of it that our superiors do not have a clue what to do or how to organise it.
Up until 1pm on Friday, although I knew the schools were closing that day, I didnt know what I was to do come Monday morning.
At 1pm on Friday I was told that my school was on the list of schools that would stay open for vulnerable kids and kids of frontline workers.
They have no idea how many kids will be coming to the school and I imagine they may only know the numbers on Monday getting ready for the influx on Tuesday.
As council employees we are pretty much all classed as frontline workers and have to turn up for work as normal on Monday morning. The only difference is that if the school you normally worked in is closed you must go to the nearest high school and then be told what you are doing that day.
Basically herding people from different areas into the one building with people you dont normally get in contact with.
I have a difficult decision to make as my wife has asthma (she has been pretty much working from home for most of last year with the project she is working on) I am slightly worried about bringing the virus home to her. I do not want to stop working as I feel its like giving in, I have not been off work since October 2009, I dont stay off work.
Where other departments in the council were asking their workers if they had any health issues that meant they should self isolate or work from home, we were not asked as they cannot afford for any of us to stay at home, we have been short staffed for years.
We at the lower end do not count.
Up until 1pm on Friday, although I knew the schools were closing that day, I didnt know what I was to do come Monday morning.
At 1pm on Friday I was told that my school was on the list of schools that would stay open for vulnerable kids and kids of frontline workers.
They have no idea how many kids will be coming to the school and I imagine they may only know the numbers on Monday getting ready for the influx on Tuesday.
As council employees we are pretty much all classed as frontline workers and have to turn up for work as normal on Monday morning. The only difference is that if the school you normally worked in is closed you must go to the nearest high school and then be told what you are doing that day.
Basically herding people from different areas into the one building with people you dont normally get in contact with.
I have a difficult decision to make as my wife has asthma (she has been pretty much working from home for most of last year with the project she is working on) I am slightly worried about bringing the virus home to her. I do not want to stop working as I feel its like giving in, I have not been off work since October 2009, I dont stay off work.
Where other departments in the council were asking their workers if they had any health issues that meant they should self isolate or work from home, we were not asked as they cannot afford for any of us to stay at home, we have been short staffed for years.
We at the lower end do not count.
I do feel the Government should have acted weeks ago re isolation, closing schools public places etc, all in hindsight and all that but you only have to look at other countries and how quickly the virus has spread, its not rocket science and I do feel we have been put at unecessary risk with the notion of trying to avoid a peak and flattening it out, not entirely convinced and relying too much on theoretical science and boffins with their own ideas, open your eyes and see what's happening around the world rather than relying too much on scientific modelling.
Also we have ourselves to blame, the public are only just starting to realise this might be serious but even then sticking to the advice of distancing just isn't getting through to people. Went into my Local Coop store yesterday, crowds of people ontop of one another in queues, saw one chap literally coughing over the person on front at the checkout. The adjacent pharmacy has limited entry to 2 people only yet people pouring in ignoring the signs. I had heard someone on Friday who was a suspected case had entered the pharmacy and it had to be evacuated. Either people aren't clued up or just don't care and carrying on regardless so no amount of Boris spouting on at his news conferences will make any difference. The only answer soon is lockdown and to follow Frances, Italy, Spain's example.
There has been some unhapiness at my work place, no real guidance, uncertaintainty as to what to do. Some work colleagues stayed at home as soon as Boris anounced the social distancing last Monday and said work can think what they want, my family comes first, others just carrying on, seen others coming out the toilets still without washing hands. We haven't officially been told to work from home and when booking a desk to sit one desk apart, I feel its got past that stage now. Maybe I'm being OTT but now I feel I don't want to go anywhere where there are people as much as I can help it. I have work meetings next week in offices and not sure whether is prudent to attend, or that I want to attend, I can't see a 2 metres distance being maintained in meeting rooms. For me I'm trying to keep as well as I can so I can run errands for two elderly relatives, prescriptions etc, difficult times.
Tim.
Also we have ourselves to blame, the public are only just starting to realise this might be serious but even then sticking to the advice of distancing just isn't getting through to people. Went into my Local Coop store yesterday, crowds of people ontop of one another in queues, saw one chap literally coughing over the person on front at the checkout. The adjacent pharmacy has limited entry to 2 people only yet people pouring in ignoring the signs. I had heard someone on Friday who was a suspected case had entered the pharmacy and it had to be evacuated. Either people aren't clued up or just don't care and carrying on regardless so no amount of Boris spouting on at his news conferences will make any difference. The only answer soon is lockdown and to follow Frances, Italy, Spain's example.
There has been some unhapiness at my work place, no real guidance, uncertaintainty as to what to do. Some work colleagues stayed at home as soon as Boris anounced the social distancing last Monday and said work can think what they want, my family comes first, others just carrying on, seen others coming out the toilets still without washing hands. We haven't officially been told to work from home and when booking a desk to sit one desk apart, I feel its got past that stage now. Maybe I'm being OTT but now I feel I don't want to go anywhere where there are people as much as I can help it. I have work meetings next week in offices and not sure whether is prudent to attend, or that I want to attend, I can't see a 2 metres distance being maintained in meeting rooms. For me I'm trying to keep as well as I can so I can run errands for two elderly relatives, prescriptions etc, difficult times.
Tim.
Chris_D said:However, I’ve witnessed people still shaking hands here in NL almost as if defiant of the official advice and common sense.
Fkg stupid!
It's official, unfortunately the Dutchies are as dumb as f*ck in reality!
Dutch show ‘worrying’ disregard for corona hygiene rules: survey
https://www.dutchnews.nl/news/2020/03/dutch-show-worrying-disregard-for-corona-hygiene-rules-survey/
I've made a few trips to the local supermarket on my bike over the past week and part of the route bypasses a large carpark where I regularly see large congregations of a certain (young) demographic, all standing in around in close proximity, completely oblivious it seems.
The ignorant, defiant and un-informed are the highest risk factor in this whole situation I'm sorry to say. I don't give 2 sh!ts if you think Allah or God or any other make-believe deity is going to protect your ass, just go home and stay there you silly tw@ts!