Trade in G29 for a 911?
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Yeah, I sort of have the impression reading from other forum that the PSE valve will be stuck and OPC insists it needs to be fixed. So did they replace the whole back box for you under warranty, or did they just replaced the valve? I am actually a bit worry about this as the car I'm looking at had the PSE retrofitted by another OPC in 2016 so the factory option list does not list PSE. I'm worrying whether they may reject the claim of replacing PSE back box under warranty as it's not the original spec from factory.
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Dont worry about the PSE. There are companies out there that can weld a new valve in for not a lot of money if the dealer wont cover it. It's a regular problem on Jaguar F types as well.
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Dont worry about the PSE. There are companies out there that can weld a new valve in for not a lot of money if the dealer wont cover it. It's a regular problem on Jaguar F types as well.
This post is now 5 pages in & going around in circles 
hopefully i can summarise for you OP
Ive owned 3 x 911 cars ( none vert , why would you ruin the dream car ? )
Also had plenty of other performance cars , TTRS , M4 , twin turbo Z4s , ///M Z4s
There is nothing ive owned that matches the sheer pleasure of a flat 6 boxster engine propelling you from behind , everything about the brand , the design , the history & the iconic silhouette will mesmerise you as a owner but there is a definite Y fork that owners have to navigate .
You play the game of chance , buy private without warranty & tolerate the anxiety or
You buy authorised & brace yourself for the premium of that warranty but as Paul does , pay it & sleep soundly .
By definition of their design they are far from flawless , most issues are predictable & recurrent which makes life a little easier for purchases in terms of buying well , more than most cars do more than your due dilligence , really study what it is you are buying .
Over routine service i had very little spend with any of my 3 but like to think i bought well ( & sold well )
hopefully i can summarise for you OP Ive owned 3 x 911 cars ( none vert , why would you ruin the dream car ? )
Also had plenty of other performance cars , TTRS , M4 , twin turbo Z4s , ///M Z4s
There is nothing ive owned that matches the sheer pleasure of a flat 6 boxster engine propelling you from behind , everything about the brand , the design , the history & the iconic silhouette will mesmerise you as a owner but there is a definite Y fork that owners have to navigate .
You play the game of chance , buy private without warranty & tolerate the anxiety or
You buy authorised & brace yourself for the premium of that warranty but as Paul does , pay it & sleep soundly .
By definition
of their design they are far from flawless , most issues are predictable & recurrent which makes life a little easier for purchases in terms of buying well , more than most cars do more than your due dilligence , really study what it is you are buying .Over routine service i had very little spend with any of my 3 but like to think i bought well ( & sold well )
q96169we said:
On the exhaust valve it can be repaired rather than replaced. Just make sure it's working and have a look, as they are original Porsche parts I wouldn't worry about the retrofit. That being said im surprised the warranty covers the PSE valve tbh.
The engine mount failure, the adaptive bit is it stiffens up as pvr says. The failure doesnt stop you using the car and still works fine just means sport+ isnt available as it should. Also the failure can be an electronic issue, a lot are but the OPCs will replace anyway £££. You wouldn't notice it not working put it that way but also worth checking to see if it's been done before.
At the indy it was half the cost think the quote from Strasse was £1600 and that was to do both mounts not just one, but they would check first as not all of them are leaking. Where they sit the contacts can corrode which gives a bad signal which then sends the sensor off. There is a chance they can be fixed without replacing by cleaning the contacts but obviously it's still a bit of a job to get to them.
Part of the issue is this is common and people have had their mounts fail literally months after new ones being installed. That being said this is the Internet and you will read the worst. There was a big parts shortage and you couldn't get them from anywhere. I think there are also aftermarket versions available.
The OPC would only replace obviously and is the benefit of going to a specialist as they tend to know what they are talking about rather than reading codes and replacing components. Some are better than others but its just the name of the game isnt it, replace rather than fix.
I much prefer the specialists because you get to know your car better, always get chance to look under the car and walked through trouble areas etc also its the option of its ok for now but will need doing in X rather than the scaremongering of the dealers. The solutions are often far more wide than the narrow ones offered by the dealer to fit their warranty scheme BS.
Personal preference but ive always used Indys and building good relationships with them leads to the car being looked after well.
Strasse are really well known and one of the best in the UK but based up north in Leeds. When the Boxster I bought was pretty much a write off and we've bought cars from them and had the cars serviced for 15+ years and send as many people as possible he waved the inspection cost which I think was £300. Ended up buying the 4S convertible not long after from them and got a good deal too.
Same with my Z4M and Mini JCW I use Darren Wood in Stockport and he's been unreal always a super personal experience.
You know when you enter the car park and its full of GT3s, CSLs etc that your at the right place.
Bottom line do the research buy well and make a decision on where the car is. Always a deal to be had.
My PADM failure was a sensor reading error according to the repair sheet, but even though I am sure that someone can just repair that, they just replace it - which suits me fine being under warranty.
He did say that the new mount is an updated version, so it "should" be better and not like the existing one which can fail at any time.
He did say that the new mount is an updated version, so it "should" be better and not like the existing one which can fail at any time.
[ref]tomscott[/ref], [ref]mr wilks[/ref], you both mentioned buying in the right window and OPC vs. specialist. I'm wanting to hear a bit of your opinions on
1. what do you think about buying 991.1 C2S PDK Coupe between now until end of this year? Just like stock market, everyone wishes to buy at the lowest point and sell at the highest point, which I find is almost impossible for me based on my background, knowledge, and experience. I know the Porsche price has been softened a bit in the past half or a year. And I also keep in mind that cars in general can be considered as a depreciated item. Therefore, I'm buying to experiencing it instead of investing in it (my definition of investment is that its value should go up). So I am prepared to suffer from some reasonable depreciation. With this being said however, if there is any signs that a landslide in price is ahead but I'm just not noticing it, it would be really helpful if this can be pointed out to me so that I won't suffer from unreasonable depreciation. (just to declear that I will only treat whatever you may say as your opinion and they are not financial advice, in case any of you have any concern on writing anything
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2. I've literatually gone through all 991.1 C2S Coupe on AT and porsche used car finder website. My first impression is that it seems 991 is not in high demand recently. There are cars that are listed for over half year or even a year. Should this cause any concerns? The second impression I had is that the one I'm looking at is cheapest within Porsche network and not much more expensive compared to other 3rd party sellers (likely not reputable specialist) with similar age, mileage, and options (it's similar to what 2 years porsche warranty will cost). And it's certainly cheaper than some cars sold by some specilist people recommended. In this case, do you think buying from OPC will be a good balance between assurance vs. additional premium? Or, do you still think buying from reputable specialist will be a better option?
(just to add that if you two, and [ref]pvr[/ref] are happy to do this, I can pm you the link to the car I'm looking at so maybe any of you could give a bit more car specific opinion?)
1. what do you think about buying 991.1 C2S PDK Coupe between now until end of this year? Just like stock market, everyone wishes to buy at the lowest point and sell at the highest point, which I find is almost impossible for me based on my background, knowledge, and experience. I know the Porsche price has been softened a bit in the past half or a year. And I also keep in mind that cars in general can be considered as a depreciated item. Therefore, I'm buying to experiencing it instead of investing in it (my definition of investment is that its value should go up). So I am prepared to suffer from some reasonable depreciation. With this being said however, if there is any signs that a landslide in price is ahead but I'm just not noticing it, it would be really helpful if this can be pointed out to me so that I won't suffer from unreasonable depreciation. (just to declear that I will only treat whatever you may say as your opinion and they are not financial advice, in case any of you have any concern on writing anything
)2. I've literatually gone through all 991.1 C2S Coupe on AT and porsche used car finder website. My first impression is that it seems 991 is not in high demand recently. There are cars that are listed for over half year or even a year. Should this cause any concerns? The second impression I had is that the one I'm looking at is cheapest within Porsche network and not much more expensive compared to other 3rd party sellers (likely not reputable specialist) with similar age, mileage, and options (it's similar to what 2 years porsche warranty will cost). And it's certainly cheaper than some cars sold by some specilist people recommended. In this case, do you think buying from OPC will be a good balance between assurance vs. additional premium? Or, do you still think buying from reputable specialist will be a better option?
(just to add that if you two, and [ref]pvr[/ref] are happy to do this, I can pm you the link to the car I'm looking at so maybe any of you could give a bit more car specific opinion?)
I haven't really kept an close eye on the 991 market so can't comment, the sports car market generally is in decline and people bought high and want the investment back which is why the prices are still high on the market platforms like Autotrader. It's a buyers market and would say a deal is there to be made, interest rates don't help and that is largely where the deal will be done. Doing a quick motorway or WBAC check can give you an indication on what the bottom end of the trade market is but I wouldn't use that as gospel.
Cars that have sat for a while I wouldn't be overly concerned but mainly the price will be too high and it's probably a post covid car that is in negative equity. Like I say there is always a deal, but do your research. It might be a number of factors like the paint isnt great or a slightly unfavourable spec. They are sensitive to spec and people are very picky. Like mentioned previously spec like chrono and PSE if it doesnt have it cars aren't as appealing. Same with the type of seats, the spec, 4, 14 and 18 way seats. etc etc Bose, Burmeister, colour is another big factor. Guards red is super unpopular but they seem to go on the higher end of the market same with speed yellow. Arctic silver for example seems most common and will be cheaper, GT silver on the other hand is a really sought after colour...
Everything is an option so obvious stuff is sometimes not there like dimming rear view mirrors. Purists hate the rear window windscreen wiper, I personally like it. People will literally have them removed funny bunch
Main thing is figuring out what you want and then finding one. It can be made super complicated main thing is you like it but residuals are worth considering. Took 2 years to find our 991 and it pretty much has everything even leather air vents and seat belt covers silly stuff that we weren't looking for but it was a tick box for the previous owner which benefits you and resale.
Other age old techniques like going in end of the month and wanting a deal to increase numbers, take the finance to get a better deal and pay it back within the window to reduce the interest premium.
In terms of the window, what I meant by that is everything has been done for the year and milage. No services due for 2 years, new tyres, disks and pads done. Essentially no outstanding elements that add up quickly. The 991 is around its 12 year service window which is a big one, PDK service etc the above could be a 2-5k outlay if you don't buy well which then taints the experience and costs more money. Anything that's outstanding can be used as wiggle room.
All of those are decent outlays when you purchase. I wouldn't underestimate the tyre wear they go through them quicker and they aren't cheap needing to be N rated.
Best thing you can do is get an independent to do an PPI inspection it will cost £250-350 but you will then find out everything about the car and is super common in the Porsche world and all specialist offer it. They will give a breakdown of what's needed, when and how much. Great when buying from a private buyer or even from a dealer.
The thing about the 991 is it's the last NA so it will always be worth something to someone and the thing is cars aren't investments in fact the opposite. PVRs slightly different but even so porsche didnt fill the allocation of 50s so deals were to be had then too. Now it is seen as the ultimate 991 outside of a GT car and has the 50 moniker people really appreciate them and the prices are reflective. They really are stunning, wide body etc :wub:
Biggest regret is we were offered a 997 sport classic when they came out again as they didnt fill the allocation and they were marmite and didnt buy for those reasons, now they are worth 250k+. Nobody has a crystal ball as long as you can afford the depreciation, like any car they depreciate and cost money but they are on the better end of the scale especially now as they are 10-12 years old. Because they are older unexpected bits need to be considered but like MR.W said its all really well know and really easy to predict and sort. There is very little terminal issues and you have to be really unlucky to have something major like and engine go unlike the 996 and 7.
Depends on what your plans are, people who move into them end up sticking for a long time because there isnt much to move to without moving into really exotic territory and they really do offer so much. The other option is another 911 but the newer versions like the 992 have changed they are bigger, heavier, more powerful and less connected like all newer cars and there is a purist following of the older versions. As many purists there are as many who don't care and just want a brand new one. The Porsche brand love it or hate it has the cultist following.
Cars that have sat for a while I wouldn't be overly concerned but mainly the price will be too high and it's probably a post covid car that is in negative equity. Like I say there is always a deal, but do your research. It might be a number of factors like the paint isnt great or a slightly unfavourable spec. They are sensitive to spec and people are very picky. Like mentioned previously spec like chrono and PSE if it doesnt have it cars aren't as appealing. Same with the type of seats, the spec, 4, 14 and 18 way seats. etc etc Bose, Burmeister, colour is another big factor. Guards red is super unpopular but they seem to go on the higher end of the market same with speed yellow. Arctic silver for example seems most common and will be cheaper, GT silver on the other hand is a really sought after colour...
Everything is an option so obvious stuff is sometimes not there like dimming rear view mirrors. Purists hate the rear window windscreen wiper, I personally like it. People will literally have them removed
funny bunchMain thing is figuring out what you want and then finding one. It can be made super complicated main thing is you like it but residuals are worth considering. Took 2 years to find our 991 and it pretty much has everything even leather air vents and seat belt covers silly stuff that we weren't looking for but it was a tick box for the previous owner which benefits you and resale.
Other age old techniques like going in end of the month and wanting a deal to increase numbers, take the finance to get a better deal and pay it back within the window to reduce the interest premium.
In terms of the window, what I meant by that is everything has been done for the year and milage. No services due for 2 years, new tyres, disks and pads done. Essentially no outstanding elements that add up quickly. The 991 is around its 12 year service window which is a big one, PDK service etc the above could be a 2-5k outlay if you don't buy well which then taints the experience and costs more money. Anything that's outstanding can be used as wiggle room.
All of those are decent outlays when you purchase. I wouldn't underestimate the tyre wear they go through them quicker and they aren't cheap needing to be N rated.
Best thing you can do is get an independent to do an PPI inspection it will cost £250-350 but you will then find out everything about the car and is super common in the Porsche world and all specialist offer it. They will give a breakdown of what's needed, when and how much. Great when buying from a private buyer or even from a dealer.
The thing about the 991 is it's the last NA so it will always be worth something to someone and the thing is cars aren't investments in fact the opposite. PVRs slightly different but even so porsche didnt fill the allocation of 50s so deals were to be had then too. Now it is seen as the ultimate 991 outside of a GT car and has the 50 moniker people really appreciate them and the prices are reflective. They really are stunning, wide body etc :wub:
Biggest regret is we were offered a 997 sport classic when they came out again as they didnt fill the allocation and they were marmite and didnt buy for those reasons, now they are worth 250k+. Nobody has a crystal ball as long as you can afford the depreciation, like any car they depreciate and cost money but they are on the better end of the scale especially now as they are 10-12 years old. Because they are older unexpected bits need to be considered but like MR.W said its all really well know and really easy to predict and sort. There is very little terminal issues and you have to be really unlucky to have something major like and engine go unlike the 996 and 7.
Depends on what your plans are, people who move into them end up sticking for a long time because there isnt much to move to without moving into really exotic territory and they really do offer so much. The other option is another 911 but the newer versions like the 992 have changed they are bigger, heavier, more powerful and less connected like all newer cars and there is a purist following of the older versions. As many purists there are as many who don't care and just want a brand new one. The Porsche brand love it or hate it has the cultist following.
tomscott said:
Ah, okay. That's actually one of the thing I will pay particular attention to when I'm in their showroom tomorrow. I know the PDK needs both fluid changed and potentially the pan replaced due to the integrated filter at 12th year after it's manufactured. So does the drive belt, tensioner or even the water pump. As it's from OPC, I will certainly make them do all of these before the handover. Based on what I found, if all of the 12th year service items are done, there should be no service or just minor service needed if I own the car for 2-3 years.
tomscott said:
This statement is absolutely true for me. I am sort of the person that still want another go with proper NA car. My age means I either can only afford those 1.x liter NA cars when they are widely available as new car, or NA become a thing of the past and I can only buy old used one. Originally, my ultimate target is the 458 italia which is in the same age range to a 991.1. However, they cost obviously much more than 991 S to a point where I'm not comfortable to own them. At the end of the day, I think they suppose to bring me the enjoyment and I personally don't see a £8-10k service bill is an enjoyment at all. This ultimately leads me to where I am now after the original question about 992 Cab and so many valuable feedback I received here so far.
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Thought it was time for a refresher pic in case you had forgotten
Looks amazing. Did you apply the paint protection film to the front of rear wheel arch? Or did it come from factory for 911 50? It looks matt and it covers significantly bigger area.
Brilliant! Exciting day ahead then! Also try and enjoy it really is a great experience!
A friend of mine has just got a 458 but ye your well into double the money 150k+ they are another level again tho incredible cars!
On the arch protection, have the same ones as PVR easier to see on the blue can see them on the wedding pic, the 981 has them too. Took the originals off and replaced with these can't remember who makes them.
PVRs car always looks showroom fresh! :wub:
A friend of mine has just got a 458 but ye your well into double the money 150k+ they are another level again tho incredible cars!
On the arch protection, have the same ones as PVR easier to see on the blue can see them on the wedding pic, the 981 has them too. Took the originals off and replaced with these can't remember who makes them.
PVRs car always looks showroom fresh! :wub:
