The jab ..

[Ed.Straker]

So......
https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-should-suspend-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-clotting-concerns-health-authority-says-12245626?fbclid=IwAR1pXuJE7YWRu6X9CdV0DuXAO1UW2OFor6Pr3ihCrZnToePmJ9u4flgkT14

Public Health is dammed if they do and dammed if they don't.

If you look at the risk factors for thrombosis and correlate them to age then the chances of someone having a jab of pure water and then having a blood clot I would imagine would be on par with the rate blood clots are occuring after people are being vaccinated.

As of 9 March 2021, 22 cases of thromboembolic events had been reported among the 3 million people vaccinated with COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca in the European Economic Area.

I don't know what the rate of thromboembolic events in older people is, but wager that its about the same under normal conditions.

Of course heightened sensitivties will mean that many medical events that would have otherwise gone unreported will be reported and attributed to vaccinations. 5G masts anyone?

On that basis I suspect people are having accidents in a BMW cars after they have been jabbed, best ban BMWs.

Nothing like a bit of perspective

Reminds me of why eating Cornflakes is dangerous..

Little Johnny came down to Breakfast.

His mom says, "What do you want for breakfast Johnny?"

Johnny Replies, "Just give me some fuckin' corn flakes!"

His mom, shocked at first, grabs the broom and begins to beat the s**t out of little Johnny. Johnny screams for his life.

All the while Johnny's little brother Timmy witnesses all of this and is staring at Johnny who is now in the fetal position on the floor, sobbing.

His mother, still out of breath, looks up at Timmy.

"Well," says his mother, "What do you want for breakfast?"

Timmy says, "I don't know, but I sure as hell don't want no fuckin' corn flakes!"

 

[TitanTim]

So......
https://news.sky.com/story/ireland-should-suspend-astrazeneca-vaccine-over-clotting-concerns-health-authority-says-12245626?fbclid=IwAR1pXuJE7YWRu6X9CdV0DuXAO1UW2OFor6Pr3ihCrZnToePmJ9u4flgkT14

Most likely completely unrelated and halted just to reasure the public until its proved there's no connection

Lets just hope it's not whipped up by the media into something it isn't that might put people off having the vaccine.

Tim.

 

[pvr]

It just wants me more to have the Pfiizer jab and not the AZ, will be how lucky I am on the day of course.

Neighbours that I have spoken to all have had either the Pfizer one or the AZ, without exception the AZ having been ill and the Pf not.

 

[Crazy Harry]

It just wants me more to have the Pfiizer jab and not the AZ, will be how lucky I am on the day of course.

Neighbours that I have spoken to all have had either the Pfizer one or the AZ, without exception the AZ having been ill and the Pf not.

I had the AZ jab on Friday - spent the last two days with a headache and muscle aches. I can normally sweat out a heavy cold overnight and dealing with this was just the same ... but the way I read it (and some articles online) it shows the vaccine is prompting a strong immune response so if it means its worked I'm a happy bunny.

 

[jabber]

It just wants me more to have the Pfiizer jab and not the AZ, will be how lucky I am on the day of course.

Neighbours that I have spoken to all have had either the Pfizer one or the AZ, without exception the AZ having been ill and the Pf not.

Both myself and 1 of my sons had the AZ jab and neither of us had any side effects

 

[TitanTim]

Same here, had the AZ last Thursday and no side affects in fact nothing

Tim.

 

[pvr]

Seems that the ladies are worst affected by AZ. My wife’s friends have all had negative reactions so she is very reluctant to get it if it is AZ

 

[enuff_zed]

Seems that the ladies are worst affected by AZ. My wife’s friends have all had negative reactions so she is very reluctant to get it if it is AZ

My father and step-mother both had the AZ jab at the same time. She had a headache for 24 hours, but my father had flu-like symptoms for about 3 days. I think it really is pot luck how your body reacts.
Neither of them have died of covid yet though, so I'll take that as a positive side effect. :wink:

 

[Rucky]

Seems to me that tyhe EU will do anything collectively to cast aspersions on Oxford AZ due to their own failure to procure enough vaccine.
Banning the Oxford AZ - then saying we dont have enought vaccines conveniently passes the buck.

Just the other week Italy / The EU banned the export of 250K Oxford AZ vaccination to Oz - citing that it was required at home.
Now its banned

They need to take a 54it of get off the can!

I had Oxford AZ, nil effects
Wife had Oxford AZ - got a slight headach and I quote - feels like I ve had a bottle of Prosecco to myself.
Daughter had Oxford AZ - went to bed with chills and a fever and a bit achy - lasted 36 hrs.
3 x 95 yr old parents had Pfizer and Oxford AZ - Nil side effects

Do I recommend it YES ABSOLUTELY
Do I want to convice Anto Vaxxers anymore - NO I dont give a toss!
Have I booked a holiday YES! - I am off to Greece where I should have been in May last year and again on May 16th this year.
Just a deferral.
Looking forward to being on holiday with all the other vaccinated people in a country that will be totally vaccinated and only accepts vaccinated people!

Makes sense to me!

 

[pvr]

How bout the option to be able to privately purchase the vaccination of choice? I gladly pay the £20 to get the Pfizer one.

 

[Anonymous]

My wife (who is a health care professional) and I have both had the Pfizer version. She was off colour for about 36 hours, she has no known comorbidities wheras I do. I had no reaction save a slight ache in the arm. Go figure.

Anecdotally we know of several friends who have some reaction to the Pfizer version. So I doubt the version you have is the determining factor.

Friends in UAE have had the Chinese "bat flu" version of the vaccine with no side effects.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Looking forward to being on holiday with all the other vaccinated people in a country that will be totally vaccinated and only accepts vaccinated people!

Is this what the state of society is now days? It's so odd to hear the sentence "Looking forward to being on holiday with all the other vaccinated people". Rather than "looking forward to going on holiday".

It's mad how a lot of the pressure from the elders on here is to get the young vaccinated for the good of society. But as soon as they are jabbed then they are off on their all inclusive knowing that they can still catch and carry variants back to the UK.

Not all about the greater good then is it?

How do you feel about being on holiday with about 5-10% of the people who have had the vaccine but it wouldn't have worked on? How do you feel about bringing it back and giving it to someones wife who is pregnant and can't have the jab, a 15 year old who can't have the jab? The 5+% who have had the jab but it hasn't given them protection?

 

[exdos]

Not all about the greater good then is it?

I totally agree with you on this point.

This is precisely the reason why individual choice is contrary to a public health policy, which is designed for the greater good of all.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

On a side note.

It's interesting to see that Vaccine Politics is playing out in front of our eyes in the media.

It looks to me like there are a few countries without very hidden agenda's out there to "rubbish" certain vaccines.

It's crazy that the sheeple are getting fed the fear now of vaccines as well as the virus.

 

[exdos]

It looks to me like there are a few countries without very hidden agenda's out there to "rubbish" certain vaccines.

And funny that they all seem to be members of the EU...

 

[pvr]

It looks to me like there are a few countries without very hidden agenda's out there to "rubbish" certain vaccines.

And funny that they all seem to be members of the EU...

In defence of that statement, BSE (Mad Cow Disease) was primarely a UK based disease which hardly existed elsewhere in the world with the famous "it is safe" statement made at the time. I think it is fair to assume that nobody would take these statements made by the UK as conclusive evidence.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Not all about the greater good then is it?

I totally agree with you on this point.

This is precisely the reason why individual choice is contrary to a public health policy, which is designed for the greater good of all.

It doesn't bother me- I was just pointing out anomalies.

I hope Rucky enjoys his holiday.

He will have to sit on a plane there and back full on 18 year olds (who have only had the jab so they don't miss out on their right of passage 1st Lads or Lasses Corfu holiday- not that they actually need it) who no doubt will not be practicing safe sex let alone any form of social distancing with various other young people from across Europe.

I just don't see how people (not having a go at anyone) can say that I am putting people at risk buy not thinking about taking part in this vaccination program until they get the results from it in a couple of years. When Rucky can sit next to a lad on a flight for 3 hours who has plowed his way through 15 different birds, destroyed his immune system by boozing hard for a week and carry's alot more risk than I do.

Just used you as an example Rucky (no offence intended). It just shows us where we are at.

 

[Rucky]

Like I said
Do I want to convice Anto Vaxxers anymore - NO I dont give a toss!

I feel great about travelling with and to people who have reduced risks to a minimum by getting a vaccination.

Freedom of will has yet to be legislated in this country so enjoy excersing your rights as I will enjoy excersining mine.

"When Rucky can sit next to a lad on a flight for 3 hours who has plowed his way through 15 different birds, destroyed his immune system by boozing hard for a week and carry's alot more risk than I do."

Whats that all about - Dont care -so long as hes vaccinated and if he isnt 1) he wont be on the flights and 2) he wont be let off the flight even if hes managed to get on it.
Far less risk than meeting that same person in an overcrowded Pub in England - which is where I definitely will not be going.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

"When Rucky can sit next to a lad on a flight for 3 hours who has plowed his way through 15 different birds, destroyed his immune system by boozing hard for a week and carry's alot more risk than I do."

Whats that all about - Dont care -so long as hes vaccinated and if he isnt 1) he wont be on the flights and 2) he wont be let off the flight even if hes managed to get on it.

I think perhaps you need to do a bit of research into how it all works buddy.

He can still give you the virus, you can then still pass it on to others. If you stood in a room with 20 members of your family who had all had the vaccine at least one of them (statistically speaking) will have had the vaccine and it wouldn't have worked (so they have no protection).

It's all a matter of risk vs reward- the vaccine is not a silver bullet.

Far less risk than meeting that same person in an overcrowded Pub in England - which is where I definitely will not be going.

Personally I would take a evening down the pub over 6+ hours on a plane with 300+ teenagers where the air conditioning is recirculated again and again- but each to their own.

 

[enuff_zed]

6+ hours on a plane ......................... where the air conditioning is recirculated again and again-

I think perhaps you need to do a bit of research into how it all works buddy.

:wink: