The jab ..

Poll Poll Will you take the COVID jab

  • Of course

    Votes: 158 79.0%

  • Hell no

    Votes: 18 9.0%

  • Undecided

    Votes: 11 5.5%

  • After results of first round are known

    Votes: 13 6.5%
  • Total voters
    200
john-e89 said:
Mgarlane that’s the whole point....you DON’T know that you can live with it, you’re assuming, and taking a big gamble. It’s not all about death rate figures, there are countless cases of 30’s 40’s 50’s that have had such reaction to the virus last spring they’re still suffering, I know two of them, one is a GP, it can have life changing consequences to the respiratory system. At the moment this forum is at 77% for the jab, I’ll be very interested to see how many of the population have taken it up by the time the everyone has been offered it, I suspect it’ll be similar or a touch lower than the forum figure. So going on forum figures alone you’re in a vast minority, that’s up to you obvs, personally I’m taking science over talk on here from people with zero knowledge of it. No disrespect. You and yours take your chances, as I said to you at the start of this post I truly hope you don’t get it, any of you. :thumbsup:
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No disrespect taken John- it's good to hear another point of view,

If long covid was a thing buddy (of great significance- I am not doubting it exists) then 100% the kids would not be in school right now. People suffer a number of side effects from a lot of respiratory diseases and often take time to come back from them. I am not doubting the significance in individual cases more the numbers on the whole.

If you have got any stats/links on the effects of long covid then I do encourage you to share them with me. I am open to reading them (in fact I want to read them). I would also be very interested to see how long covid compare'd with Long "X" (insert other respiratory diseases).

I would expect to be in the minority here on this group (mostly grumpy old men, retired with to much time on their hands :poke: ). If I added you into my old workmates whatsapp group or my mates from back home whatsapp group you would be in the minority (most of us are in our 30's) and neither of us should be ashamed for our decision making.

I am fluid with my decision making- if it turns out that there is a significant number of 30+'s that have had their lungs destroyed due to long covid (i think if there was I would know by now) then it would effect my decision making. If after 3+ years and you/people my age range are not showing any negative side effects and I haven't had the virus already then I might have the jab.

Trust me John, I would suggest that I probably have put more research into not taking this vaccine than you have put into taking it.
 
Nictrix said:
I wonder how many people would be queuing up for the vaccine if pubs and restaurants were open, no restrictions on travel or who you meet and you were able to go on holiday.
Most people I talk to seem to give these reasons for having it.
It seems to be all everybody cares about is pubs, holidays and football.
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Well that is how they are going to get that % of young people to take it. There is a big number of people who won't resist when they are told that they can't go on holiday without having it, can't go clubbing without one etc. Alongside the ones that want it willingly.

My personal view is that it all blows over once the 90% have had their vaccinations. With it being a distant memory in the next couple of years.
 
john-e89 said:
Mgarlane that’s the whole point....you DON’T know that you can live with it, you’re assuming, and taking a big gamble. It’s not all about death rate figures, there are countless cases of 30’s 40’s 50’s that have had such reaction to the virus last spring they’re still suffering, I know two of them, one is a GP, it can have life changing consequences to the respiratory system. At the moment this forum is at 77% for the jab, I’ll be very interested to see how many of the population have taken it up by the time the everyone has been offered it, I suspect it’ll be similar or a touch lower than the forum figure. So going on forum figures alone you’re in a vast minority, that’s up to you obvs, personally I’m taking science over talk on here from people with zero knowledge of it. No disrespect. You and yours take your chances, as I said to you at the start of this post I truly hope you don’t get it, any of you. :thumbsup:
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98% survival rate so 2% is a "big gamble" yet 23% is a "vast minority" :paper:
As for the "countless cases" of long COVID, the rates in 18-49 year olds is about 10%, its also more likely that women will suffer from it, this is already quantified and it is linked to underlying health predominantly weight SAUCE

You do entertain John, throwing around the "hur dur lEaRn ThE sCiEnCe" patter when based on your comments here you have barely a cursory understanding of the facts which, along with your opinion of the thing, appears to be primarily gleaned from the MSM.
But then we are just dumb anti vaxers right? :roll: :slaphead:
 
Thank you - it’s good to know what the gobbledegook is about!

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Way I look at is you can look at all the figures being churned out and that's all they are they don't apply to you. I look at it for myself because you have no idea as an individual if you caught the virus how your system would cope or react. You might be fine but also if you're not you could simply die from it. So in terms if receiving the vaccine which dramitically reduces the symptoms and potential death I find it hard to get my head around why you wouldn't have it. Any side affects of having the vaccine appear to far outweigh the plusses of minimising the symptoms and protecting yourself so it has to be a win.

I'd go so far to say I feel quite sorry for those people shunning or delaying the vaccine through fear and misinformation.

Tim.
 
TitanTim said:
Way I look at is you can look at all the figures being churned out and that's all they are they don't apply to you. I look at it for myself because you have no idea as an individual if you caught the virus how your system would cope or react. You might be fine but also if you're not you could simply die from it. So in terms if receiving the vaccine which dramitically reduces the symptoms and potential death I find it hard to get my head around why you wouldn't have it. Any side affects of having the vaccine appear to far outweigh the plusses of minimising the symptoms and protecting yourself so it has to be a win.

I'd go so far to say I feel quite sorry for those people shunning or delaying the vaccine through fear and misinformation.

Tim.
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Lets try this, using the exact same logic Tim, do you know 100% with absolute certainty that there is no long term side effects whatsoever, potentially even one that you may simply die from?

You say it "dramatically reduces the .. potential death" I have a 98% chance to live through it if I even catch the thing... thats a 2% chance of death and only a 10% chance of Long COVID

We have absolutely no idea at all of any potential long term side effects, even in animal testing we only have, at MOST, a year of advanced notice.
I am not trying to convince others not to have the vaccine, I would encourage those that want it to have it, but its not for me... yet.
 
TitanTim said:
Way I look at is you can look at all the figures being churned out and that's all they are they don't apply to you. I look at it for myself because you have no idea as an individual if you caught the virus how your system would cope or react. You might be fine but also if you're not you could simply die from it. So in terms if receiving the vaccine which dramitically reduces the symptoms and potential death I find it hard to get my head around why you wouldn't have it. Any side affects of having the vaccine appear to far outweigh the plusses of minimising the symptoms and protecting yourself so it has to be a win.

I'd go so far to say I feel quite sorry for those people shunning or delaying the vaccine through fear and misinformation.

Tim.
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What sort of figures would they be Tim? Like the official government ones that show that 90%+ of the deaths are coming from the over 60's and people with pre-existing medical conditions.

I guess as a 36 year old with no medical conditions it would be pretty reasonable to make the assumption that because I am not over 60's and have no pre-existing medical conditions I fall into that group.

Add in the fact that I am of healthy weight, not got any vitamin deficiencies my chances fall further.

You can dramatically reduces the symptoms of something that is already dramatically reduced.

I don't want to get drawn into challenging peoples intellect on here- I will leave it to you guys but you are either not reading what people post or just not understanding it.

Don't feel sorry for me. I am pretty much living a normal life without fear or restrictions- even more soon when my elders are fully vaccinated.

How long do you think it will be before you do? I fear that many of you never will judging on some of the ill-informed opinions on here. It's like you almost live for this fear and also live for imposing your will on other people. You will have your vaccine and then demand that other people will and probably never behave in the same way that you used to. That's the real sadness here- I just hope that you don't bring everyone else down with you.
 
Like I said accepting the vaccine is a no brainer, just gives you that extra level of protection between mild symptoms and ending up far worse off. Just because you might be young healthy and invincible is no guarantee whatsoever in fighting this nasty virus.

Of course it's freedom choice :)

Tim.
 
mgrlane said:
Don't feel sorry for me. I am pretty much living a normal life without fear or restrictions- even more soon when my elders are fully vaccinated.
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Without fear or restrictions and living a normal life ?
 
Come on Timothy you said a little more than that :wink:

Had I taken the route of "all vaccinations are bad" or "our government are out to get us" I could understand why people were calling me stupid, sad etc. Let me have one last role of the dice to explain my circumstances.

Might I be as bold as to suggest that I may be more informed perhaps than you of the risks involved with both taking and declining the opportunity. Heaven knows I have spent enough hours researching. If you want to interpret that as shunning or delaying the vaccine through fear and misinformation- then fair play I guess.

You said- "Any side affects of having the vaccine appear to far outweigh the plusses of minimising the symptoms and protecting yourself so it has to be a win"

I would love you to have this conversation with some of the victims of Pandemrix. Now it was reasonable to assume that there were no bad intentions when this was signed off but there were side effects later on discovered from this.

If I had of had the choice of taking the Hib/MenC vaccine now (let's pretend that I wouldn't have had it as a kid) then I would have no problems taking it now (it's backed with years of "case studies"). I would also take any the vaccines prescribed that have years of data (or test subjects) behind it.

With the risks of covid vs the unknown risks of the vaccination (this is fact- there is no mumbo jumbo here) we don't know any medium or long term effects of it. Then I don't think I am silly, stupid, an idiot, an antivaxer to not decided if it's right for me.

All I can really do is dip my hat to you and thank you for being a live participant in this experiment and I am happy to wait and see what effects (or not) it has on you before I make my decision to either participate or not.
 
ronk said:
mgrlane said:
Don't feel sorry for me. I am pretty much living a normal life without fear or restrictions- even more soon when my elders are fully vaccinated.
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Without fear or restrictions and living a normal life ?
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Yes Ronk,

I have very little fear of this- I am conscious of not wanting to catch it but that's about as far as it go's. I was very fearful for the 1st 6 weeks of it and can only imagine the trauma you must be going through should your fear levels be at that level still with all the times that have passed.

That probably will feel strange to you right?

Obviously the restrictions are in place and I am obeying them but as soon as they are lifted then it's back to normal for us.
 
You aren’t fearful and nor am and never have been , cautious yes, obeying the rules yes, but as for living a normal life!!!!

If this is normal for you it’s not a normal life for me or the vast majority of us.

Are you a hermit :rofl: :thumbsup:
 
I think we are misunderstanding each other.

As soon as the restrictions ease I will be back to living how I was late 2019 without any fear.

How we are living now is not normal! (thats someone we can agree on :wink: )
 
My OH has just had a phone call to say her vaccine is Thursday. 52, too bloody fit and very healthy but I think that’s slightly ahead of the game for her age group as she fortunately has no other factors so is being done on age alone
 
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