The jab ..

[Flyingfifer]

Can you explain the science behind how you think that might happen?

No.
But,

• mRNA is a new vaccine technology having only been approved for the first time as of 2020 as far as I'm aware.

• C19 vaccine was developed in an incredibly short space of time

• C19 vaccine went through testing and trials in an incredibly short space of time

• no long term testing could/has been done in either animals or humans

• I am in my early 30s so any long term issues will be a major problem for me vs someone in their 70s

 

[exdos]

No.

I thought not, which is the same for almost everyone who comes up with an "anti" viewpoint.

But,

• mRNA is a new vaccine technology having only been approved for the first time as of 2020 as far as I'm aware.

The experts have been working with this technology for many years so only a new concept to the uninitiated.

• C19 vaccine was developed in an incredibly short space of time

Because the genomes of viruses can now be "read" in a very short time and decoded and understood by the virologists, they are able to translate this information into vaccine development in a very short time. I understand that the Oxford/AstraZeneca vaccine was designed in less than 36 hours.

• C19 vaccine went through testing and trials in an incredibly short space of time

Apparently the trials were not curtailed: the normal long-winded procedure of vaccine and drug development is largely taken up with administration procedures, and in the case of the C-19 vaccines, they were prioritised for proper scrutiny, thus the rapid state of development to authorisation. Analogous to producing fighter aircraft during WWII: i.e. Needs Must.

• no long term testing could/has been done in either animals or humans

Since the technology is far from new, the virologists have already done the necessary testing and refinement of generic development of the protocol, which has enabled them to produce bespoke vaccines for C-19 now that they are needed

• I am in my early 30s so any long term issues will be a major problem for me vs someone in their 70s

I have children in their 30s and young grandchildren and I am as concerned about their welfare as I am about my own, if not more concerned for them. Whilst I understand anyone's caution and concerns, if you understood the modus operandi of viruses in the way that expert virologists do, then you wouldn't have the concerns for the unknown that you have.

 

[Flyingfifer]

I thought it was longer than 120 days? It must be surely?

Its not known at the moment but a gov paper I previously linked touted 90days and some studies I have seen have a timeframe of 120days and between 90-120 the efficacy of the vaccine dropped significantly (from 80ish% to 30ish%)

No.

I thought not, which is the same for almost everyone who comes up with an "anti" viewpoint.

So anyone that isnt a virologist isnt allowed to have their own point of view? Also who said I was anti vaccine?

But,

• mRNA is a new vaccine technology having only been approved for the first time as of 2020 as far as I'm aware.

The experts have been working with this technology for many years so only a new concept to the uninitiated.

Nice snipe but a miss, its a new technology in its use not in its concept. We have been working on many things for many years that does not make the technology either Understood or Safe. Fusion technology for example.

• C19 vaccine was developed in an incredibly short space of time

Because the genomes of viruses can now be "read" in a very short time and decoded and understood by the virologists, they are able to translate this information into vaccine development in a very short time. I understand that the Oxford/AstraZenica vaccine was designed in less than 36 hours.

Indeed they can yet your use of the word "understood" is charitable, a fairer description would be that we currently interpret DNA and cannot be said to have a complete understanding of every facet of DNA and its interactions within its differing parts, otherwise I suspect we would be well on our way to having wiped out all genetic based disease by now.

• C19 vaccine went through testing and trials in an incredibly short space of time

Apparently the trials were not curtailed: the normal long-winded procedure of vaccine and drug development is largely taken up with administration procedures, and in the case of the C-19 vaccines, they were prioritised for proper scrutiny, thus the rapid state of development to authorisation. Analogous to producing fighter aircraft during WWII: i.e. Needs Must.

"Apparently" also nice analogy, tell me, was every one of those fighter aircraft stellar? Or were there some that were absolute death traps? :roll:

• no long term testing could/has been done in either animals or humans

Since the technology is far from new, the virologists have already done the necessary testing and refinement of generic development of the protocol, which has enabled them to produce bespoke vaccines for C-19 now that they are needed

Ok, I have a new tyre I want you to try, its made from paper but the technology for tyres is far from new so the necessary testing and refinement of the generic development of the tyre has been done.

• I am in my early 30s so any long term issues will be a major problem for me vs someone in their 70s

I have children in their 30s and young grandchildren and I am as concerned about their welfare as I am about my own, if not more concerned for them. Whilst I understand anyone's caution and concerns, if you understood the modus operandi of viruses in the way that expert virologists do, then you wouldn't have the concerns for the unknown that you have.

Same as every organism, reproduce.
I have a 99% survival chance if I get the virus and if I do I may have roughly the same period of immunity as someone who takes the vaccine, if I take the vaccine I can still spread the virus. The only unknown here is the possible long term effects of the vaccine :idunno:

My position is this, throughout my life I have taken many vaccines without a 2nd thought because they were proven and proven as much as possible to be safe, I have also taken the flu jab the one time it was offered, if you want the vaccine go ahead and take it, more power to you but its not for me quite yet thanks

 

[TitanTim]

Flyingfifer [/quote]I have a 99% survival chance if I get the virus[/quote]

How do you know this?

To be honest not accepting the vaccine I would have thought is simply putting yourself at unnecessary risk no matter how small so don't understand why you would pass on it. Chances of any adverse reaction to the vaccine is most likely nil so the positives far outweigh the negatives and if catching the virus lessons the severity it has to be a win for all including those who would have to look after you should that 1% catch you out

Of course it's a personal decision but from where I'm sitting it's better than nothing.

Tim.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Flyingfifer: I have a 99% survival chance if I get the virus

How do you know this?

To be honest not accepting the vaccine I would have thought is simply putting yourself at unnecessary risk no matter how small so don't understand why you would pass on it. Chances of any adverse reaction to the vaccine is most likely nil so the positives far outweigh the negatives and if catching the virus lessons the severity it has to be a win for all including those who would have to look after you should that 1% catch you out

Of course it's a personal decision but from where I'm sitting it's better than nothing.

Tim.

Roughly 3.4% of people in my age range require hospital treatment, obviously most of those survive.
LINK

We have exactly zero understanding of any possible long term effects of the vaccine, are there likely to be any? probably not but given COVID poses almost zero risk to me as a fit and healthy 30s with no health conditions the only unknown is the possibility of issues down the line. Also vaccine doesnt stop me spreading it so it has zero impact on others if I have it or not :idunno:

 

[TitanTim]

Flyingfifer: I have a 99% survival chance if I get the virus

How do you know this?

To be honest not accepting the vaccine I would have thought is simply putting yourself at unnecessary risk no matter how small so don't understand why you would pass on it. Chances of any adverse reaction to the vaccine is most likely nil so the positives far outweigh the negatives and if catching the virus lessons the severity it has to be a win for all including those who would have to look after you should that 1% catch you out

Of course it's a personal decision but from where I'm sitting it's better than nothing.

Tim.

Roughly 3.4% of people in my age range require hospital treatment, obviously most of those survive.
LINK

We have exactly zero understanding of any possible long term effects of the vaccine, are there likely to be any? probably not but given COVID poses almost zero risk to me as a fit and healthy 30s with no health conditions the only unknown is the possibility of issues down the line. Also vaccine doesnt stop me spreading it so it has zero impact on others if I have it or not :idunno:

Thought the vaccine was to lessen your chances of developing serious symptoms hence hospital admission, I get what your saying being younger, healthy with no underlying health issues but I don't think that is any guarantee. Way I see it is, I might still end catching Covid but chances of ending up in hospital is lessened which has to be good for the NHS and feeing up waiting lists for other illnesses etc.

Tim.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Thought the vaccine was to lessen your chances of developing serious symptoms hence hospital admission, I get what your saying being younger, healthy with no underlying health issues but I don't think that is any guarantee. Way I see it is, I might still end catching Covid but chances of ending up in hospital is lessened which has to be good for the NHS and feeing up waiting lists for other illnesses etc.

Tim.

Yeah basically thats my understanding too, the vaccine doesnt prevent you catching it or spreading it but does reduce the severity/longevity of infection.
Once we have some more data about the way it interacts in the wild and possible long term effects I will be far more inclined to take the vaccine although professionally I might not actually get a choice

 

[exdos]

a fairer description would be that we currently interpret DNA and cannot be said to have a complete understanding of every facet of DNA and its interactions within its differing parts, otherwise I suspect we would be well on our way to having wiped out all genetic based disease by now.

Just to address one point: C-19 is a RNA virus not DNA.

My position is this, throughout my life I have taken many vaccines without a 2nd thought because they were proven and proven as much as possible to be safe, I have also taken the flu jab the one time it was offered, if you want the vaccine go ahead and take it, more power to you but its not for me quite yet thanks

I respect your position.

 

[Flyingfifer]

a fairer description would be that we currently interpret DNA and cannot be said to have a complete understanding of every facet of DNA and its interactions within its differing parts, otherwise I suspect we would be well on our way to having wiped out all genetic based disease by now.

Just to address one point: C-19 is a RNA virus not DNA.

I am aware, I plead guilty of using the vernacular, single or double it doesn't change the thrust of my argument.

My position is this, throughout my life I have taken many vaccines without a 2nd thought because they were proven and proven as much as possible to be safe, I have also taken the flu jab the one time it was offered, if you want the vaccine go ahead and take it, more power to you but its not for me quite yet thanks

I respect your position.

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Once we have some more data about the way it interacts in the wild and possible long term effects I will be far more inclined to take the vaccine although professionally I might not actually get a choice

This is probably where 75% of my mates sit. We are all about 5-10 years older than you. We realise that statistically speaking there is no need for us nor our children to really have the jab, are worried about long term side effects (off both the jab and covid) but feel that we (through one form or another) are going to be forced to take it (the jab).

Add into the mix that statistically we are probably going to catch Covid at some point anyway (regardless of having the jab). Then I really see the idea of having the jab less and less appealing.

 

[Flyingfifer]

This is probably where 75% of my mates sit. We are all about 5-10 years older than you. We realise that statistically speaking there is no need for us nor our children to really have the jab, are worried about long term side effects (off both the jab and covid) but feel that we (through one form or another) are going to be forced to take it (the jab).

Add into the mix that statistically we are probably going to catch Covid at some point anyway (regardless of having the jab). Then I really see the idea of having the jab less and less appealing.

Agreed, if the jab was a 100% prevention mechanism in that it would prevent infection, last forever (or at least a few years) and effectively help us move toward a real herd immunity I would be far more willing but as is its a very temporary plaster on a gaping wound. I really do see it as ineffectual for me much like the flu jab (its a nice to have) but that has at least been in use for much longer and is far more proven in terms of safety.

 

[Nanu]

In my opinion if they have the power to close all business then they have the power to close off care homes.

I can just about forgive them for sending old folk home at the peak of 1st lockdown. A big part of why we are locked up is to protect these people and it's smashing its way through the care homes.

Does not sit right to me. Pay people to live on site and test people before they visit.

Family member is going into a carehome this week. She will have to quarrenteen for a week but a care assistant can just walk on in and pass out death sentences. It is rather concerning.

Got it in one. The source of the majority of the issues in Care Homes which is still happening in Scotland. Add to that the fact that tests are not 100% accurate and.........

Surprise, Surprise.

3 weeks? into going into care we have received an email to say that two people in the carehome have contracted Covid.

The grandmother hasn't got it but it's worrying none the less.

Hope she is keeping safe. I wish her well.

 

[ronk]

In my opinion if they have the power to close all business then they have the power to close off care homes.

I can just about forgive them for sending old folk home at the peak of 1st lockdown. A big part of why we are locked up is to protect these people and it's smashing its way through the care homes.

Does not sit right to me. Pay people to live on site and test people before they visit.

Family member is going into a carehome this week. She will have to quarrenteen for a week but a care assistant can just walk on in and pass out death sentences. It is rather concerning.

Got it in one. The source of the majority of the issues in Care Homes which is still happening in Scotland. Add to that the fact that tests are not 100% accurate and.........

Surprise, Surprise.

3 weeks? into going into care we have received an email to say that two people in the carehome have contracted Covid.

The grandmother hasn't got it but it's worrying none the less.

Has your Grandmother had her jab (s) ?

 

[Deleted member 32480]

Has your Grandmother had her jab (s) ?

She has had her 1st one like most of her peers.

Hope she is keeping safe. I wish her well.

Many thanks- fingers crossed.

 

[Old-Duckman]

5 Questions To Ask Your Friends Who Plan To Get The Covid Vaccine
https://www.globalresearch.ca/5-que...nds-who-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/5737747
Here is the link if you are interested to read the answers to the following questions listed in the article.

1.Did You Know That We Have Never Successfully Vaccinated Against Any Coronavirus?

2. Did You Know It Usually Takes 5-10 Years To Fully Develop A Vaccine?

3. Did You Know That The Covid “Vaccine” Is Based On New Technology, Which Has Never Been Approved For Use On Humans Before?

4. Did You Know That The Pharmaceutical Companies Can’t Be Sued If The Vaccine Hurts Or Kills Someone?

5. Did You Know 99.8% Of People Survive Covid19?

FYI...in case you care.

 

[maxman]

5 Questions To Ask Your Friends Who Plan To Get The Covid Vaccine
https://www.globalresearch.ca/5-que...nds-who-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/5737747
Here is the link if you are interested to read the answers to the following questions listed in the article.

1.Did You Know That We Have Never Successfully Vaccinated Against Any Coronavirus?

2. Did You Know It Usually Takes 5-10 Years To Fully Develop A Vaccine?

3. Did You Know That The Covid “Vaccine” Is Based On New Technology, Which Has Never Been Approved For Use On Humans Before?

4. Did You Know That The Pharmaceutical Companies Can’t Be Sued If The Vaccine Hurts Or Kills Someone?

5. Did You Know 99.8% Of People Survive Covid19?

FYI...in case you care.

 

[ronk]

Can’t argue with that logic!

 

[maxman]

Old- Duckman most people on here don't give a flying fig what you think.If you don't want it fair enough,just stop preaching crap.By the way I've had mine .

 

[Argyll Andy]

5 Questions To Ask Your Friends Who Plan To Get The Covid Vaccine
https://www.globalresearch.ca/5-que...nds-who-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/5737747
Here is the link if you are interested to read the answers to the following questions listed in the article.

1.Did You Know That We Have Never Successfully Vaccinated Against Any Coronavirus?

2. Did You Know It Usually Takes 5-10 Years To Fully Develop A Vaccine?

3. Did You Know That The Covid “Vaccine” Is Based On New Technology, Which Has Never Been Approved For Use On Humans Before?

4. Did You Know That The Pharmaceutical Companies Can’t Be Sued If The Vaccine Hurts Or Kills Someone?

5. Did You Know 99.8% Of People Survive Covid19?

FYI...in case you care.

Perfectly summed up [ref]maxman[/ref],

 

[ronk]

I wonder how the families of those departed 491,000 US citizens would agree with those five points of anti vax?