The jab ..

[TitanTim]

Here in the UK Old Duckman, latest figures are,

People vaccinated;
First dose;
17,247,442 = Total number of people who have received the first dose of COVID-19 vaccine, reported up to Friday, 19 February 2021.
Second dose total = 604,885

Don't think anyone has perished from receiving the jab as yet so there is still hope for you

Tim.

 

[Dave1971]

5 Questions To Ask Your Friends Who Plan To Get The Covid Vaccine
https://www.globalresearch.ca/5-que...nds-who-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/5737747
Here is the link if you are interested to read the answers to the following questions listed in the article.

1.Did You Know That We Have Never Successfully Vaccinated Against Any Coronavirus?

2. Did You Know It Usually Takes 5-10 Years To Fully Develop A Vaccine?

3. Did You Know That The Covid “Vaccine” Is Based On New Technology, Which Has Never Been Approved For Use On Humans Before?

4. Did You Know That The Pharmaceutical Companies Can’t Be Sued If The Vaccine Hurts Or Kills Someone?

5. Did You Know 99.8% Of People Survive Covid19?

FYI...in case you care.

Genuine question, where do you get this number from as I’ve see it quoted many times over?

Today’s figures from the U.K. government are 4.1 million confirmed cases of Covid 19 with 120 thousand deaths. Now I know there is some wiggle room in these numbers for various reasons such as testing wasn’t available in the early days etc. But by my maths 120k is near enough 3% of 4.1 million.

The only way I can see you getting to a figure of 0.2% is if you lump all the people who’ve never had it in with all the people who’ve had it and not died!

 

[Nictrix]

Don't think anyone has perished from receiving the jab as yet so there is still hope for you

Tim.

I was told earlier in the week there are over 200 people who have died from covid after having the vaccine.
I have no proof of this as I have not looked into it.
I should add that there was no mention that the vaccine was the cause.

 

[Vornwend]

5 Questions To Ask Your Friends Who Plan To Get The Covid Vaccine
https://www.globalresearch.ca/5-que...nds-who-plan-to-get-the-covid-vaccine/5737747
Here is the link if you are interested to read the answers to the following questions listed in the article.

1.Did You Know That We Have Never Successfully Vaccinated Against Any Coronavirus?

2. Did You Know It Usually Takes 5-10 Years To Fully Develop A Vaccine?

3. Did You Know That The Covid “Vaccine” Is Based On New Technology, Which Has Never Been Approved For Use On Humans Before?

4. Did You Know That The Pharmaceutical Companies Can’t Be Sued If The Vaccine Hurts Or Kills Someone?

5. Did You Know 99.8% Of People Survive Covid19?

FYI...in case you care.

A few facts with which to answer this attempt to undermine confidence in the vaccine:

https://fullfact.org/online/covid-19-survival-rate-less-998/?utm_source=content_page&utm_medium=related_content

Don't think anyone has perished from receiving the jab as yet so there is still hope for you

Tim.

I was told earlier in the week there are over 200 people who have died from covid after having the vaccine.
I have no proof of this as I have not looked into it.
I should add that there was no mention that the vaccine was the cause.

The last sentence in the key one. I believe there is some confusion between people dying after receiving the vaccine and those dying from it. They are not the same thing. Numbers (in the US anyway) are reported on the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS). There are repotedly posts on FB that are using these to assert that the vaccine causes death, maybe that's where the person who told you heard it?

 

[Old-Duckman]

Old- Duckman most people on here don't give a flying fig what you think.If you don't want it fair enough,just stop preaching crap.By the way I've had mine .

Though you may think the post was directed at the majority of those who have posted to this thread, you are mistaken. There are 14% of poll respondents who have chosen the "undecided" or "after results are known"...I think they should have as much info as possible to help them decide.

I would be surprised to hear that you actually followed the link in my post. It was well written and included many hot links that supported their answers to those questions.

I'm sorry if you took that as "preaching crap" but that is surely your prerogative to do so.

 

[Old-Duckman]

I wonder how the families of those departed 491,000 US citizens would agree with those five points of anti vax?

Ronk if you believe those numbers are not artificially inflated...I have an extra tinfoil hat I can send you if you wish, I've plenty of extras!

 

[Old-Duckman]

Genuine question, where do you get this number from as I’ve see it quoted many times over?

If you would follow the link in my post you referenced, there are two hot links in the answer to question #5.

 

[Smartbear]

I wonder how the families of those departed 491,000 US citizens would agree with those five points of anti vax?

Ronk if you believe those numbers are not artificially inflated...I have an extra tinfoil hat I can send you if you wish, I've plenty of extras!

If you don’t believe those numbers for some reason, how many do you think have died due to the virus?
Rob

 

[Old-Duckman]

I wonder how the families of those departed 491,000 US citizens would agree with those five points of anti vax?

Ronk if you believe those numbers are not artificially inflated...I have an extra tinfoil hat I can send you if you wish, I've plenty of extras!

If you don’t believe those numbers for some reason, how many do you think have died due to the virus?
Rob

I don't know the actual numbers but this is from the CDC:
ATLANTA, Ga. (WJW) — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention released new data last week that depicts how many Americans who have died from COVID-19 also had other contributing conditions.

According to the report, only 6% of deaths have COVID-19 as the only cause mentioned, revealing that 94% of patients who died from coronavirus also had other “health conditions and contributing causes.”

Here is the link to the entire article should you care to check it out.
https://fox8.com/news/coronavirus/n...aths-in-us-had-underlying-medical-conditions/
So a wee bit of reading between the lines...the CDC admits that only 6% of the numbers stated died FROM Covid...the other 94% dies WITH Covid. Those two four letter words make a big difference, don't ya think?

 

[Old-Duckman]

https://fullfact.org/online/covid-19-survival-rate-less-998/?utm_source=content_page&utm_medium=related_content

Did you read anything from the link you posted? I did.
Their response to the 99.8% survival rate....
We’ve written before about how European estimates (i.e. estimates in countries with similar age profiles and healthcare quality as the UK) put the fatality rate at somewhere between 0.5% and 1%, meaning the “survival rate” could be somewhere between 99% and 99.5%, but not as high as 99.8%.
Sorry but that is lame...Ya mean it could be off by a whopping 0.8%, horrible!

With respect to vaccines not being tested properly, the third hot link under the heading "The vaccines have been tested for safety" takes you to a page titled "Vaccine Knowledge Project" and in the very first paragraph on that page it states " It can take many years for a vaccine to pass through all the stages described below. In the case of the MenB vaccine, for example, it took 15 years from the first idea to the vaccine being licensed for use."

If those are the counter arguments you linked to related to my post with the 5 questions...Well after two strikes I'm not going to waste my time looking through the link to find responses to the other 3 questions.

 

[Old-Duckman]

Don't think anyone has perished from receiving the jab as yet so there is still hope for you
Tim.

Tim that is a terrible thing to suggest, I hope it was meant as dark humor.

As hard as it may be for you to believe, my desire for my posts and the links contained therein are to educate and save people from adverse consequences or possibly even a premature death.

Please wait while I firmly attach my tinfoil hat...OK, I honestly believe that this so call jab is a depopulation scheme. And, when the effects of those receiving these vaccinations hit in full (some doctors predict it that might be somewhere between 1/2 to a year or perhaps even longer) those consequences will be devastating.

As was observed in animal trials of other MRNA vaccines, the subjects did produce antibodies (which is the desired effect) however when they were later exposed to the virus their autoimmune systems went into overdrive with adverse reactions up to and including death.

Of course should this happen in this case it would be explained away as a "mutated virus" which would, of course, require everyone to get yet another vaccine.

There are inexpensive treatments for this current virus but...and it is a big but...I repeat, they are inexpensive. Do I need to say more? The lust for money and power drives the world.

 

[jabber]

FFS

 

[TitanTim]

Don't think anyone has perished from receiving the jab as yet so there is still hope for you
Tim.

Tim that is a terrible thing to suggest, I hope it was meant as dark humor.

As hard as it may be for you to believe, my desire for my posts and the links contained therein are to educate and save people from adverse consequences or possibly even a premature death.

Please wait while I firmly attach my tinfoil hat...OK, I honestly believe that this so call jab is a depopulation scheme. And, when the effects of those receiving these vaccinations hit in full (some doctors predict it that might be somewhere between 1/2 to a year or perhaps even longer) those consequences will be devastating.

As was observed in animal trials of other MRNA vaccines, the subjects did produce antibodies (which is the desired effect) however when they were later exposed to the virus their autoimmune systems went into overdrive with adverse reactions up to and including death.

Of course should this happen in this case it would be explained away as a "mutated virus" which would, of course, require everyone to get yet another vaccine.

There are inexpensive treatments for this current virus but...and it is a big but...I repeat, they are inexpensive. Do I need to say more? The lust for money and power drives the world.

Sorry, in reading your posts you are coming across as anti vaccine, apologies if that's not the case. My meaning was in relation to me saying that it appears the vaccine causes few adverse affects in people so with all the fear mongering over the vaccine there's a good chance if you accepted the jab you would be most likely fine which then begs the question why wouldn't anyone accept the vaccine unless you have other underlying health issues preventing you from accepting the jab.

Of course with everything there are two sides to every story but I think in this case people are looking for positives in these times not dumbing the vaccine down and creating negatives by digging out every titbit of internet information and turning it around as a reason to question the vaccines validity, don't think that does anyone any good.

Tim.

 

[ronk]

Talk of a Depopulation Scheme isn't doing your Anti Vaccination campaign any help whatsoever.

You are doing a great disservice to a lot of people in the medical profession, clinical and scientific.

 

[exdos]

OK, I honestly believe that this so call jab is a depopulation scheme.

Surely letting the pandemic rip is a better way to achieve your prediction?

 

[Smartbear]

OK, I honestly believe that this so call jab is a depopulation scheme.

Surely letting the pandemic rip is a better way to achieve your prediction?

But that would mean acknowledging the virus is real & has deadly consequences? It seems to have been dismissed as such a thing :?
Rob

 

[Nanu]

Genuine question, where do you get this number from as I’ve see it quoted many times over?

Today’s figures from the U.K. government are 4.1 million confirmed cases of Covid 19 with 120 thousand deaths. Now I know there is some wiggle room in these numbers for various reasons such as testing wasn’t available in the early days etc. But by my maths 120k is near enough 3% of 4.1 million.

The only way I can see you getting to a figure of 0.2% is if you lump all the people who’ve never had it in with all the people who’ve had it and not died!
[/quote]We must remember how the death rates in the UK are calculated. A fact that is included every day when the figures are announced.

These are deaths of people who have died within 28 days of a positive test. It is NOT the number of people who have died of Covid. It includes ALL deaths, for ALL reasons if they have had a positive test with 28 days.

You could be run over by a bus and still be recorded as a Covid death.

 

[ronk]

There are inexpensive treatments for this current virus but...and is a big but...I repeat, they are inexpensive.

Prevention rather than treatment is a better solution in my opinion.
You didn’t subscribe to Trumps “bleach” ideas as an inexpensive treatment did you?

 

[Vornwend]

Genuine question, where do you get this number from as I’ve see it quoted many times over?

Today’s figures from the U.K. government are 4.1 million confirmed cases of Covid 19 with 120 thousand deaths. Now I know there is some wiggle room in these numbers for various reasons such as testing wasn’t available in the early days etc. But by my maths 120k is near enough 3% of 4.1 million.

The only way I can see you getting to a figure of 0.2% is if you lump all the people who’ve never had it in with all the people who’ve had it and not died!

We must remember how the death rates in the UK are calculated. A fact that is included every day when the figures are announced.

These are deaths of people who have died within 28 days of a positive test. It is NOT the number of people who have died of Covid. It includes ALL deaths, for ALL reasons if they have had a positive test with 28 days.

You could be run over by a bus and still be recorded as a Covid death.
[/quote]

This is correct but equally people who tested positive more than 28 days ago but then die are not included. A study of 40 000 people with covid-19 discharged from hospital for 140 days found a readmission rate of 31% (23% within 60 days), with 9% dying on readmission - I suspect that more than compensates for those who tested positive but died other reasons. In the early days some people died from covid without having a test and were therefore excluded.

Anyway perhaps a more reliable data source is the ONS which does not have a test cut off date. It relies on death certificates where covid 19 is mentioned. 90% of these mentions are in part 1 - ie the cause or causes that led directly to death as opposed to contributing to it. Before anyone decides to criticise certification they should know that death certification is a serious matter and is done diligently and under strict professional standards that would be subject to serious disciplinary consequences if done carelessly.

ONS deaths where covid is mentioned (up to 5th Feb) = 119,222
Gov.uk reported numbers (up to 5th Feb) = 111,264

Even if you discount ALL of the secondary ONS Death certificate mentions (so excluding your bus example) you only get down to 107,000 which is near as dammit the same as the government reported figures. My conclusion is that there is not very much mileage in disputing either of these numbers

 

[rdgreen]

Talk of a Depopulation Scheme isn't doing your Anti Vaccination campaign any help whatsoever.

You are doing a great disservice to a lot of people in the medical profession, clinical and scientific.

Isn't doing a lot for anything he may say about any subject in the future either.