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I did read the book...many years ago. I do not recall if the quote I noted was in the book or not. I can assure you that it is spoken by the character in the 1931 film.ronk said:
As for the reference to "bumper stickers" I was only trying to communicate in the language you seem to write in "How" "Why" "I just want someone to give me a one sentence reason why they will not take the vaccine"
BTW, I did answer that last question in one sentence, As I recall I wrote: "Because I don't trust the people, companies or governments who are trying to push it." I don't recall that you responded to my answer to your request. Perhaps you did but I haven't followed the thread for awhile. My bumper sticker responses were brief answers to the how and why. I could have gone into long dissertations and included many links and facts but we both know I am not going to change your mind nor you mine.
And I meant no offense by what you took as sarcasm, there was no sarcasm intended. It just seems to me that your level of critical thinking has become apparent to me. What I was trying to get across as a subtle inference between Gates and Dracula seems to have been missed by you.
We used to have a saying when I was a child growing up in America, it went like this, "I may not agree with what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it." Sadly that is no longer taken to heart by many Americans.
I though still hold to that belief and feel it wholeheartedly when I write and read posts in this forum. In fact I think this is one of the most polite forums I have ever belonged to. Not too many trying to have a second career as comedians and few put downs. I hope I meet those lofty goals as well but I do say what I think, feel and believe, I do it without any intention of hurting anyone's feelings. If I hurt your feelings I apologize.
Sorry Exdos that I picked up your post to respond to, but thought this would be as good a place as any to step in.exdos said:
Would you ask Mark Zuckerberg to service your car? I wouldn't. I worry that Bill Gates is weighing on to the world stage and soapboxing from a point he has no right to.
He's a software developer. Not an immunologist, not a Doctor, and in my opinion not the sort of person to tell me what I should have running through my veins. This worries me. I mean, I read this tish, and ask "who the ... are you"?
https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/what-you-need-to-know-about-the-covid-19-vaccine
But he is being held up as some kind of vaccine God. Extremely alarming.
Re the NWO. It's being placed in plain sight by the WEF that we need the 'Great Reset'.
https://www.weforum.org/great-reset
The concept of the NWO has been around for a while, and what is often cited is that in order to initiate the process, you need to get the world's population into a state of despair. It is then, when you offer the alternative, it more easily, readily grasped.
Before our eyes, currency is being wiped out. When was the last time you used cash to buy most things in a day? If everything is digital, who actually owns the money?
The WHO the other day just re-wrote hundreds of years of scientific knowledge by changing the definition of what herd immunity was. "So?" you ask? This happens right smack in the middle of this pandemic. Where is the basis for this change? Where did the data come from to initiate it? Did any of you know this had happened before I posted it a couple of weeks ago? Isn't this life changing news? Was it on the hallowed BBC? As far as I am aware, it wasn't reported, or even more importantly, questioned.
I have also said that I find this whole situation a bit rotten. And since we are talking about the 'jab', how dissenting views are shut down by social and mainstream media. It's a pretty well understood fundamental concept that if someone closes down an opposing view to an argument it's either because they are afraid or they have something to hide.
Anyway, I think I could go on and on, but my point and concerns are based on years of watching and reading. It's hard to condense.
Please just look outside what is handed to you.
....And I will conclude by saying that I would not stop anyone from having the jab if they feel they should. I have an elderly mother, and am fine with her doing it.
Old-Duckman said:
No offence taken
The Quote “I may not agree “ :-
The earliest written evidence of that saying appeared in the 1906 book “The Friends of Voltaire” by S. G. Tallentyre which was the pseudonym of historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall.
Or so I’m told by my learned wife.
Absolutely no problem to me. I wouldn't participate in these contentious threads if I didn't enjoy the discussion and differences of opinions.Z4C_er said:
I totally agree with you on those points. Zuckerberg and Gates have just got lucky financially: right place, right time...Z4C_er said:
Z4C_er said:
One can also suggest that the agenda of the EU is to put into practice the Coudenhove-Kalergi plan, which effectively makes future generations detached from any country of ancestral origin by mixed heritage. The evidence of this agenda is shown in the awarding of the Charlemagne Prize, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlemagne_Prize
Z4C_er said:
I am quite willing to seeing a conspiracy, but in the case of C-19, I simply cannot see how the pandemic might further the agenda of increased power to governments and other interested individual and powerful players in the civilised West. If you, or anyone else, can explain how a conspiracy might be operating surrounding C-19, I'm more than willing to have it explained to me and I'm open to believe a credible explanation. However, as matters stand, I very much believe that a mass vaccination programme against C-19 is our best chance of escape from the situation in which the world finds itself in.
There are rumours and counter rumours that Tiffany Dover, the nurse from Chattanooga is dead. Since she fainted she has disappeared, and has shut down her social media accounts. There was one picture posted (supposedly) of her with other hospital staff, but really, it looks like a different person.mgrlane said:
If only she would come forth and say everything is OK. But her family want privacy now. Strange.
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mgrlane said:
But it's just not the elderly who are falling sick, agreed the mortality rate is higher for people of a greater age but the fact remains hospitals are filling up with people of all ages and there lies the problem so vaccinating the elderly whilst everyone else returns back to normal I don't think will quite work, even more so with the more infectious strain which has appeared right on time for Christmas and New Year gatherings. I have a fear the next month or so will be alot worse for hospital admissions. Unless you just say hospitals can't cope anymore and you're on your own if you have a bad case of Covid.
Tim.
Z4C_er said:
THAT'S the problem....way too many listen to rumours....and then spread them as though it's the gospel. Of course the stories below are from unreliable sources (Reuters and AAP) so it's not like they have the credence of some obscure blogger in mummy's spare room.....
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-factcheck-nurse-covid-vaccine-dead-idUSKBN29629G
https://www.aap.com.au/nurse-who-fainted-after-covid-19-vaccine-shot-is-not-dead/
mgrlane said:
Thanks for the figures, I caught a ward doctors news interview the other day who mentioned they are seeing increased admissions of patients of all ages albeight London hospitals no doubt due to the more infectious strain so it will be interesting to see if the figures above change significantly in the following months to take account of this.
Tim.
rdgreen said:
When I worked and I spoke to students about researching; a key aspect was assessing the reliability of the sources they used. In the mid 90's and onward until I retired I used the humble book as an example - you can tell how old the information is - they have a publishing date; a brief glance at who published it will indicate if it had been peer reviewed; commonly used sources (books) are well worn and most fall open at the pertinent pages. Books of published papers contain references to where the author found their information so you can go back and read (and interpret for yourselves) their source material. The publishing history of the author can be checked and their identity; values and motivation assessed.
In the past theorists who sat in the pub and expanded their view were known by their community for what they were - and the idiots were called out for it and ignored, save by other idiots.
The internet and social media provide none of these safeguards and have given the illusion of 'new'; 'fresh'; 'true' and official information and we have not yet started to imagine the damage and upset this will cause for future generations - and the expectations that we can all know everything and into that vacuum of need idiots (well meaning non the less) pour truths; half truths and ideas to be picked up and expounded by others as gospel. Bloggers have turned being popular into a business (as did politicians and faith healers) and say what people want to hear, and do and dress as they want to.
.... but of course I would say that because as an educationalist and academic I'm part of the establishment and can't be trusted.
I'm not spreading anything as gospel. But, I truly hope she is OK.rdgreen said:
Having people just saying she is OK, doesn't cut it really. If she did another interview or reinstated her social media accounts, then that would satisfy a lot of the nutters.
Looking at her in the attached links you sent, apart from the fact that these people are wearing the same jewelry, would you say they were the same person? The parting of the hair is different, there is previous colouring that is evident at the roots, and the eye colour? Even if she is in the shadows, those eyes are like lasers!
Even the in video there was one very stressed looking person at the top of the stairs... Strange...
https://youtu.be/wxGR3y0gE_0?t=12
Again, I really hope she is OK. I will follow this up.
You express worries that "a lot of people my age will have missed cancer screening, regular routine appointments etc for life threating (sic) illnesses". I agree with you on this point, but this also applies to a lot of people of ALL ages.mgrlane said:
If people with health conditions other than C-19 will suffer as a consequence of the NHS now becoming "our National Covid Service" then surely the potential, but small, risk of ill-effects from C-19 vaccines will be the lesser "evil" than the actual effects of those with REAL health issues not being treated as a consequence of the protracted need to manage the C-19 pandemic as a priority?
The answer to the problem you have identified is the mass vaccination of the population ASAP and I find it hard to understand your reluctance to roll your sleeve up.
mgrlane said:TitanTim said:
It's very hard to know what to believe Tim.
BBC quoted the following two days ago:
"It was minimally affecting children in the first wave... we now have a whole ward of children here."
Laura Duffel, a matron in a London Hospital, tells Adrian Chiles about the Covid situation in hospitals.
@BBCSounds https://t.co/2BwYOJvov5
But rather than take it down they still have the clip circulating the internet they have published the following article:
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55518248
This piece basically says the 1st is fear mongering and false and says that the kids are fine but interestingly doesn't mention anything about the under 45's (100% they would be all over it if there was an increase- there is so much fear that could be spread from that) but then go on to mention that they have more "seniors" in.
This makes sense as you would have more seniors in if you have a virus that has mutated and is catching more people and the people that it harms are seniors.
There is so much fear being spread and misinformation (I am sure I have been caught up in a few bits too)- it's so hard to know what to believe.
The facts I know is alot of people are catching it in Hospital where they have gone with another serious illness in critical care and are then put down as a Covid illness.
They are testing all dead people with a kit that shows up a considerable amount of false positives.
If someone dies within 28 days of one of these tests (they could die of anything) they go down as a positive test. This alone would inflate figures considerably. On average 313k died with influenza and pneumonia on their death certificates (with not because of) in the last 5 year. Imagine what the number would be if they just had to test positive for flu in 28 days with a test that throws up alot of false positives.
1 in 3 people (governments own figures) will have to have a test to see if they have got the virus because they will not have any symptoms at all that they have it.
I am not saying that it's not the end of the world (it clearly isn't tho) but when this all kicked off there was 2-3 weeks when I thought it was the Spanish flue and although I didn't think we would lose a 1/3 of the population I thought we were totally screwed.
Now I know that this is serious and people are dieing but for me the financial implications for the generations that are not physically being effected by the virus (on the whole) are extremely scary. (We are fooked). And it worries me that alot of people my age will have missed cancer screening, regular routine appointments etc for life threating illnesses while our NHS is now our National Covid Service. That might sound a bit selfish I know.
I would be very interested to see the figures for total deaths for 2020. I would imagine they would be around the 5 year average and not significantly higher (I could be wrong on this).
Thanks for the extensive reply an interesting read. As you say it's hard to know what to believe, the power of the internet maybe doesn't help at times as so much conflicting information hearsay and fear promoting etc.
Personally I'm in fear to the extent I rarely go anywhere in public. I was asked to go into work by my manager just before Christmas for an office meet up and refused as I felt the situation wasn't safe so I'm just taking the view keep away from everybody as much as possible. Am I being over the top? Perhaps, I'm 55 and relatively healthy and the chances are if I caught the virus I would be fine but then the fear is of that unknown. Let's hope things will improve by the summer so at least get the jab and take it from there
Tim.