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Nictrix said:And the standout point of this sentence is "may"exdos said:
That also means it "may not"
There are 2 sentences in my quote, not one as you suggest. The use of the word "may" (or even, "may not") was in the first sentence and therefore does not impinge upon the content of the next sentence.
In the case of the Moderna vaccine it is categorically stated that : "Preliminary data have shown that individuals who received the Moderna vaccine in a clinical trial had more antibodies than a natural infection usually produces."
My apologies for not deleting the second sentence. :lol:
Anyway..... the new word on the street is that the vaccine that has been given out already that was supposed to be followed up by a second dose a few weeks later may not be happening as there is not enough vaccine/time to do this. The second dose might not be given at the correct time going against the manufacturers advice which might make it possible for the virus to evolve and be immune to the vaccine.
There is also talk of the original vaccine not being available for the second dose so you will be given a different vaccine instead!
Lots of mays, mights and possibles there.
So can you be sure that the second dose is the same vaccine as the first?
Have there been any trials that have mixed these two different vaccines?
Could you actually make all this up.
Anyway..... the new word on the street is that the vaccine that has been given out already that was supposed to be followed up by a second dose a few weeks later may not be happening as there is not enough vaccine/time to do this. The second dose might not be given at the correct time going against the manufacturers advice which might make it possible for the virus to evolve and be immune to the vaccine.
There is also talk of the original vaccine not being available for the second dose so you will be given a different vaccine instead!
Lots of mays, mights and possibles there.
So can you be sure that the second dose is the same vaccine as the first?
Have there been any trials that have mixed these two different vaccines?
Could you actually make all this up.
Nictrix said:
There seems to be alot of swirling hearsay at the moment over this, see my link on last page.
Also discussion around the sesond jab might not even be needed now as the first might provide all that is needed, but as you say there seems to be too many maybes, possibly etc.
If true that the second vaccination is still required but now being given 12 weeks down the line against manufacturers advce compromising its effectiveness then giving the jab at all seems utterly pointless
Tim.
I dont have any alternatives but surely dont want to jump in at the first opportunity of possible saviour.exdos said:
You seem to be way more learned than me, you should go for the riches yourself.
Looking at the disastrous way this country has been ran this year and the lies that have been told on an almost daily basis I dont put any faith in this miracle vaccine or the establishment who are pushing it through.
I do hope that these vaccines are a success, why wouldnt anybody, but there is just a nagging doubt hanging there.
As a healthy human, who never visits the doctor, and very very rarely takes any pills for anything, and who possibly had this back in November last year with no ongoing problems, why would I want to rush out at these early stages and take this vaccine that may not offer me any more protection than I already have but may have side effects that isnt known.
Im not an antivaxer, Im sure I have had stuff given to me in the past. At school I didnt need the BCG that most of my classmates had and seem to have survived not having it.
Nobody is saying on here to anybody not to have the vaccine, but there seems to be pressure on people who are not sure about it that they must take it. It should be everybodys own choice and should not be forced.
TitanTim said:Old-Duckman said:
Seems to me anyone supporting global vaccination has their sensible head screwed on
Unless I'm wrong, I don't think any country is forcing the vaccine on its population so I think your safe and have the freedom of choice :wink:
Tim.
Tim, unfortunately there is a US Supreme Court ruling from 1905 that allows mandating vaccination. Now due to its age perhaps new legal arguments would end up superseding that ruling but who knows when it comes to law, judges and lawyers plus the time needed to make such a change.
I have read that Biden will mandate a nation wide 100 day mask mandate should he ultimately assume the office of President. I would not be surprised if he would use an executive order to try to force vaccination.
What about China and their "social credit score" and I have heard that France may institute something similar..?
So though literally pulling people off the street to administer the "jab" may not be the State's method I can see them using "coercion" of various means to get everyone vaccinated.
I must admit that I am somewhat surprised that so many on this forum seem eager to take the vaccination. When I see so many people in our streets and shops bowing to every mandate issued by state Governors I am saddened. These are state mandates and do not have the force of law yet people bow the knee and roll over.
Check this woman out and the sheep she is talking with. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...lions-americans-thinking-done-covid-insanity/
Governments are using fear to control and manipulate the people...and in most cases it is working. And, the powers that be are laughing!
I have read that only 3% of colonists fought in the Revolutionary war. I would think that we would be lucky to have that many people resist today. IMO our population has been dumbed down by various means but mostly by state controlled "education" system and media in all its forms. As I have said to my co-workers many times..."I'm glad I'm old !"
TitanTim said:Old-Duckman said:TitanTim said:Seems to me anyone supporting global vaccination has their sensible head screwed on
Unless I'm wrong, I don't think any country is forcing the vaccine on its population so I think your safe and have the freedom of choice :wink:
Tim.
Tim, unfortunately there is a US Supreme Court ruling from 1905 that allows mandating vaccination. Now due to its age perhaps new legal arguments would end up superseding that ruling but who knows when it comes to law, judges and lawyers plus the time needed to make such a change.
I have read that Biden will mandate a nation wide 100 day mask mandate should he ultimately assume the office of President. I would not be surprised if he would use an executive order to try to force vaccination.
What about China and their "social credit score" and I have heard that France may institute something similar..?
So though literally pulling people off the street to administer the "jab" may not be the State's method I can see them using "coercion" of various means to get everyone vaccinated.
I must admit that I am somewhat surprised that so many on this forum seem eager to take the vaccination. When I see so many people in our streets and shops bowing to every mandate issued by state Governors I am saddened. These are state mandates and do not have the force of law yet people bow the knee and roll over.
Check this woman out and the sheep she is talking with. https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/20...lions-americans-thinking-done-covid-insanity/
Governments are using fear to control and manipulate the people...and in most cases it is working. And, the powers that be are laughing!
I have read that only 3% of colonists fought in the Revolutionary war. I would think that we would be lucky to have that many people resist today. IMO our population has been dumbed down by various means but mostly by state controlled "education" system and media in all its forms. As I have said to my co-workers many times..."I'm glad I'm old !"
Personally I would support any moves that protects the population as a whole so if if the pandemic really took off with very high death rates then any mandatory jab would sit easy with me as it's too important an issue to argue the toss. I don't understand why on this subject people are so suspicious of their Governments intentions and think the population are being controlled, sorry it's just nonsense. Put yourself in their shoes in trying to protect millions of people from a potentially fatal disease :roll: You would hope in reality any such ruling wouldn't be needed as most people would see sense and take the jab anyways. Again in the cold light of day if any such ruling did become mandatory how on earth would you enforce it? My take on it is take the jab it's safe and move on with lifeIf you don't want the vaccine then again that's fine but don't moan about if you end up in intensive care strapped to a respirator.
Tim.
I fully respect the views and opinions of anyone who doesn’t want to take the jab for safety reasons but I fail to understand the paranoia?
Bill Gates wants to control me ? Why ? How?
“They” want to control me - again Why? How?
The same people who are so concerned about Bill Gates and his perceived evil plan are probably writing on a PC with a Microsoft Windows operating system!
None of the folk who are so worried about the conspiracy have not offered any alternative way out of the situation - They don’t like masks, they are suspicious of vaccines, don’t like lockdowns and don’t want to believe that people are dropping down dead because of the virus.
We all want to return to normality but we have to accept that there is a virus out there in the world that it trying to infect or kill us.
Or is that just me being paranoid?
Bill Gates wants to control me ? Why ? How?
“They” want to control me - again Why? How?
The same people who are so concerned about Bill Gates and his perceived evil plan are probably writing on a PC with a Microsoft Windows operating system!
None of the folk who are so worried about the conspiracy have not offered any alternative way out of the situation - They don’t like masks, they are suspicious of vaccines, don’t like lockdowns and don’t want to believe that people are dropping down dead because of the virus.
We all want to return to normality but we have to accept that there is a virus out there in the world that it trying to infect or kill us.
Or is that just me being paranoid?
ronk said:
Well a couple of "bumper sticker" answers to your questions.
Why? "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely" Lord Acton
How? "The strength of the vampire is that people will not believe in him." Professor Van Helsing (Dracula 1931)
Once again, do some research with an open mind. Don't be so trusting of those in power. Learn from history.
Nictrix said:
I guess that depends on to what extent you think you're being contolled? Yes to a degree otherwise society would sink in to chaotic collapse just that some Governments are better at it than others, but I don't wake up each day thinking I'm being controlled by the Government. Maybe if lived in North Korea I might think differently
I think people make it up as they go along where Governments are concerned to satisfy their inner "Rebellion"
Tim.
Old-Duckman said:
I am familiar with the Bilderberg Group and the concept of the creation of the New World Order, but can you please explain how any form of conspiracy surrounding the C-19 pandemic would fit in with the agenda of mass manipulation of the World population by those in power?
Oh my, I gave you more credit than that. Do you really think that I thought Professor Van Helsing is a character out of history? I noted the source for any who were not aware that it was from a movie (Dracula 1931).ronk said:
I think I'm beginning to see why you so easily swallow the pap you are fed.