The jab ..

[exdos]

The jab doesn't prevent a person from carrying or spreading the virus , its aim is to prevent serious reaction /hospitalisation / death for those deemed most at risk .

This is the gross misconception that those who wish to reject vaccination have.

After you have been vaccinated, your own immune system will produce antibodies to the C-19 virus and many of its mutational forms so that if you later receive a viral load from an infected person, your antibodies and T-cells will kill-off the viruses that you have received thus preventing them from replicating within the cells of your own body. As such, the infection that you receive will be minimal, and since your immunity will prevent viral replication, you will NOT become a viral spreader to others. The more people who have acquired immunity from vaccination, the harder it is for the virus to find a human host without immunity, so that it becomes much harder for the virus to replicate in sufficient numbers for further spread and transmission to occur.

By the means of mass vaccination programmes many infectious diseases have been well-controlled or eradicated. Self-protection is only part of the purpose of mass vaccination programmes.

 

[exdos]

As such, the infection that you receive will be minimal, and since your immunity will prevent viral replication, you will NOT become a viral spreader to others.

Have you got a link to any data on this? Would be a relief to hear that was the case.

I've been suggesting to you almost from the outset of my posting in this thread that you should read some proper scientific/medical/genetics textbooks on the subject so that you get a proper understanding of the modus operandi of viruses, immunity etc.
Look up "viral replication", "Viral disease spread", "human immune response to viruses" "the concepts of vaccination" etc. etc. and you should find some excellent mainstream information on these subjects.

The more people who have acquired immunity from vaccination

Or having the virus also?

Yes, but personally, I'd prefer to have acquired immunity from a vaccine rather than have to suffer from a full-blown viral infection.

 

[TitanTim]

Would love to be corrected but I too was under the impression the vaccine won't stop the virus from being passed on, it just makes it's impact less marked on the host so less chance of that person falling seriously ill requiring hospital treatment. Of course the more of the population that take the vaccine I would have thought will be better for everyone. End of the day it's freedom of choice in a free society and wrong to chastise. If selfishness has to come into it then yes I'm selfish as I imagine like most you want the vaccine to minimise falling ill and if that helps society as a spin off then great.

Tim.

 

[exdos]

Would love to be corrected but I too was under the impression the vaccine won't stop the virus from being passed on, it just makes it's impact less marked on the host so less chance of that person falling seriously ill requiring hospital treatment.

Think of Polio: vaccinated people don't get ill with that virus because they have acquired immunity from vaccination, so that their bodies already have the defences against the virus should they come into contact with polio virus. As a result of mass vaccination programmes, the polio virus therefore has no possible hosts and so no means of replication and so cannot be transmitted through a vaccinated population. As such humans have eradicated polio by destroying its habitat/eco-system.

 

[exdos]

So when the government say this and still advise social distancing and masks they are just telling us porkies.

Why is that "porkies"? The best way to avoid contracting ANY infectious condition is by giving other people a wide-berth, especially those whom already have the infectious stage of the condition. Likewise, basic personal hygiene of keeping your hands, nose and mouth clean and unexposed to airborne particles is very important. That's not new science and in that respect, C-19 shouldn't really be any different to most other infectious diseases.

Personally I want to be the 1/3 or part of the 22 million in the UK that have it without even knowing. Or have the same symptoms that a few of my pals have had. Flu like for a day or up to a week.

I also hope that I've had an asymptomless dose, but I doubt it, so I'll be delighted to have vaccination in preference to a symptom-full infection.

 

[Stevo1987]

The above hits the nail on the head without waffle

Really :? i bet given the chance to opt in or opt of going to war there would have been a lot more not wanting to go than wanting to go , it wasn't a choice taken " to protect society & their loved ones"
All i read is just nostalgic blurb

 

[TitanTim]

Would love to be corrected but I too was under the impression the vaccine won't stop the virus from being passed on, it just makes it's impact less marked on the host so less chance of that person falling seriously ill requiring hospital treatment.

Think of Polio: vaccinated people don't get ill with that virus because they have acquired immunity from vaccination, so that their bodies already have the defences against the virus should they come into contact with polio virus. As a result of mass vaccination programmes, the polio virus therefore has no possible hosts and so no means of replication and so cannot be transmitted through a vaccinated population. As such humans have eradicated polio by destroying its habitat/eco-system.

Sorry, I'm thinking more of you have the jab which makes you immune but you are still a host and can pass it on to someone who hasn't had the jab which is all the more reason to have the jab if ultimately you're trying to deny the virus the ability to mutate. So if say a third of the population decides not to take the vaccine the virus will still be merrily doing the rounds until there is herd immunity?

Tim.

 

[exdos]

Sorry, I'm thinking more of you have the jab which makes you immune but you are still a host and can pass it on to someone who hasn't had the jab which is all the more reason to have the jab if ultimately you're trying to deny the virus the ability to mutate. So if say a third of the population decides not to take the vaccine the virus will still be merrily doing the rounds until there is herd immunity?

Tim.

If you have "acquired immunity" because your body's immune system has been stimulated to produce antibodies and T-cells after receiving a vaccine, then your immune system is already primed to attack any viruses which enter your system from an infected source. As such, those viruses will be destroyed by your immune system without being able to replicate, as they would otherwise do if you didn't have immunity to the virus. Therefore, you no longer act as a host and will not replicate the virus, so you can no longer be an infectious viral spreader.

The unvaccinated section of the population, whom haven't already been infected and become immune, will be the potential host population for future infection and can also generate the future mutational strains.

 

[mr wilks]

The jab doesn't prevent a person from carrying or spreading the virus , its aim is to prevent serious reaction /hospitalisation / death for those deemed most at risk .

This is the gross misconception that those who wish to reject vaccination have.

Just for clarity i'm neither one way or the other regarding the vaccination itself , i really have little interest in it from a personal perspective .
If i was given the chance id probably have it but i won't be bombarding my local surgery in a attempt to get it .
My inference above that being vaccinated doesn't prevent carrying the virus to others may well be wrong but going off various media interviews ive seen with that particular question asked & countless articles online there seems a lot of doubt so until proven otherwise 100% i'm of the belief you are still capable of carrying & transmitting after inoculation .

eg https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-questions-social-distance-mask-transmission


" Can you still get infected, and infect others, if you get vaccinated?
Possibly. None of the vaccines tested so far have been 100 percent effective so some vaccinated people may still catch the coronavirus.

What’s more, neither the Pfizer nor the Moderna vaccine trials tested whether the vaccines prevent people from being infected with the virus. Those trials, instead, focused on whether people were shielded from developing disease symptoms. That means that it’s not clear whether vaccinated people could still develop asymptomatic infections — and thus still be able to spread the virus to others.

In both trials, some people who got the vaccine did get sick with COVID-19, but not as sick as those who got placebos. "

 

[TitanTim]

Sorry, I'm thinking more of you have the jab which makes you immune but you are still a host and can pass it on to someone who hasn't had the jab which is all the more reason to have the jab if ultimately you're trying to deny the virus the ability to mutate. So if say a third of the population decides not to take the vaccine the virus will still be merrily doing the rounds until there is herd immunity?

Tim.

If you have "acquired immunity" because your body's immune system has been stimulated to produce antibodies and T-cells after receiving a vaccine, then your immune system is already primed to attack any viruses which enter your system from an infected source. As such, those viruses will be destroyed by your immune system without being able to replicate, as they would otherwise do if you didn't have immunity to the virus. Therefore, you no longer act as a host and will not replicate the virus, so you can no longer be an infectious viral spreader.

The unvaccinated section of the population, whom haven't already been infected and become immune, will be the potential host population for future infection and can also generate the future mutational strains.

Thanks for the explanation, only reason I asked was I thought there was no confirmation as yet or there was still some uncertainty as to whether the vaccine stops the spread 100% for those that have received it but if it does then

Edit I think Mr Wilks explained it better above than myself

Tim.

 

[Stevo1987]

Sorry, I'm thinking more of you have the jab which makes you immune but you are still a host and can pass it on to someone who hasn't had the jab which is all the more reason to have the jab if ultimately you're trying to deny the virus the ability to mutate. So if say a third of the population decides not to take the vaccine the virus will still be merrily doing the rounds until there is herd immunity?

Tim.

If you have "acquired immunity" because your body's immune system has been stimulated to produce antibodies and T-cells after receiving a vaccine, then your immune system is already primed to attack any viruses which enter your system from an infected source. As such, those viruses will be destroyed by your immune system without being able to replicate, as they would otherwise do if you didn't have immunity to the virus. Therefore, you no longer act as a host and will not replicate the virus, so you can no longer be an infectious viral spreader.

The unvaccinated section of the population, whom haven't already been infected and become immune, will be the potential host population for future infection and can also generate the future mutational strains.

Thanks for the explanation, only reason I asked was I thought there was no confirmation as yet or there was still some uncertainty as to whether the vaccine stops the spread 100% for those that have received it but if it does then

Edit I think Mr Wilks explained it better above than myself

Tim.

Woah, can you pass me the link that confirms that.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Ok, few inconvenient points.

1. There is no guarantee that vaccine will last forever, comparing it to polio is incorrect because the viruses are very different. There have been concerns for some time that people who get the virus then are cleared have caught it again. The CDC in the US advises that they do not know how long the vaccine will be effective, natural immunity appears to last around 90days.
2. Polio hasnt been eradicated, it still exists and even with a 99.99999% vaccination rate there is always a chance that the last person who isn't vaccinated will catch it, that's why we still vaccinate.
3. Somehow I dont quite see the correlation between a marauding fascistic country and a virus.. but then I'm not an absolute raving mad cumstain :roll:

 

[Old-Duckman]

Modern society is a two-way street, people reap the benefits but have to be prepared to 'do their bit'. Previous generations understood this and tens of thousands of people put their lives on the line in two World Wars to protect their society and those that they loved - each of them had a much greater chance of serious injury or death than we do but we wouldn't be here if it wasn't for them.

There are a number of people on here that obviously feel that they owe nothing to the society that they live in and that they should put their own needs/concerns before that of society as a whole. There is currently a very grave public health emergency and anyone who refuses the vaccination without genuine health reasons is putting their own needs before that of the society that they live in - they claim that they don't want to take a risk, tiny though it may be, with a new vaccine but are quite happy to put others at risk by refusing it.

There is a word for this - cowardice - a hundred years ago there would have been ladies on the street handing out white feathers to these people.

Man up, grow a pair, and stand in line for the jab...

Really !!?

Don't know about you but I spent 4 years in the United States Navy in voluntary service to my country, ready willing and able to take anything that was thrown my way.

Just because I will not take an unproven, experimental vaccine...I'm a coward !?

I don't think you know the meaning of cowardice...a dictionary might help.

Do some research before you bow the knee to the powers that be. There are plenty of reputable sources that do not think this vaccination is as harmless as many of you think it is. But that my friend is freedom of choice. If you think you are being honorable, brave and safe by taking it...well knock yourself out.

 

[ronk]

Without a vaccine what is the way out of the pandemic?

 

[TitanTim]

Interesting article which makes you wonder what to believe with all of this

https://skwawkbox.org/2020/12/31/leading-medic-says-bma-and-pfizer-agree-hancocks-decision-to-issue-single-vaccine-doses-will-do-little-but-destroy-its-effectiveness/

Tim.

 

[Old-Duckman]

Without a vaccine what is the way out of the pandemic?

Well I just looked up when the first vaccination was given....Ready ? 14 May 1796 !!!

May I ask you a question? How on Earth did mankind survive from creation until 1796 without the miracle of vaccines..?

Well it would work the same with this PLANdemic sir. At a 99+% survival rate...I'm not too concerned !

 

[ronk]

Yes, the Jenner vaccine it was also very experimental.
You’re not suggesting he was wrong to vaccinate are you?

In answer to your question - millions of people died. It’s that simple.

Now then, are you suggesting we ignore Covid?

302,500 of your countrymen have perished to date and 70,000 of mine - I can’t ignore that and I don’t think any sane person could.

What is humanity to do?

 

[Old-Duckman]

I just don’t think you understand where I’m coming from. You, Bill Gates and humanity can do whatever you want just don’t force me to do it. That’s what I am against mandatory vaccines.

Mr. Gates has stated that he wants everyone in the world to be vaccinated for the Covid that sir is control, greed and nothing else. Earlier I posted a quote by Mr. Gates regarding overpopulation whether you believe what he said was misunderstood or taken out of context is your prerogative. There are the “elites” who believe the world is overpopulated and that it must be controlled. What means they use to exercise such control I shudder to guess. Mr. Gates statement as quoted earlier lists vaccines as one of the means to reduce world population.

I question what I’m told or should I say what I am fed. Believe if you wish that those in positions of authority have the good of mankind at heart, personally I do not believe that they do.

I can’t say about your country but over here the death rates have been artificially inflated. Miraculously nobody dies of heart disease or cancer or you name it anymore they are now attributed to Covid. I’ve read and heard of cases where people literally died in auto accidents and it was attributed to Covid. Of course I can’t substantiate that but with as many examples of that as I’ve heard I tend to believe it. My niece works for a large health insurance company. She has told me that hospitals get more money from the government for a Covid death then from any other death. I had read as much prior to her validating that. I will admit that is hearsay but I have heard and read it from multiple sources.

In conclusion may I reiterate, you do as you wish just don’t force anything on me.

 

[TitanTim]

Mr. Gates has stated that he wants everyone in the world to be vaccinated for the Covid that sir is control, greed and nothing else.

In conclusion may I reiterate, you do as you wish just don’t force anything on me.

Seems to me anyone supporting global vaccination has their sensible head screwed on

Unless I'm wrong, I don't think any country is forcing the vaccine on its population so I think your safe and have the freedom of choice :wink:

Tim.

 

[exdos]

Just for clarity i'm neither one way or the other regarding the vaccination itself ........

eg https://www.sciencenews.org/article/covid-19-coronavirus-vaccines-questions-social-distance-mask-transmission

The standout point in that article is:
"a vaccine may provide a surer immune response than natural infection. Preliminary data have shown that individuals who received the Moderna vaccine in a clinical trial had more antibodies than a natural infection usually produces."

There is considerable variability of what might constitute a natural dose of C-19 which could cause infection within an individual, which ranges from a very mild, asymptomatic illness through to severe, full-blown illness, possibly resulting in death. If we were to hypothesise that the immune response to C-19 in an individual is proportionate to the viral load (dose) then it would appear reasonable to assume that someone whom had had a mild asymptomatic infection would develop, say, "bronze level" immunity, which would protect against future infection of a similar initial dose, but would still leave them susceptible to a second infection by a considerably larger viral load than their first dose. The same would apply to increasing viral loads producing, "silver" and "gold" levels of immunity. However, from the standout point in the article, as quoted above, it appears that the Moderna vaccine initiates "platinum level" immunity without the individual having to suffer the severe, full-blown ill effects from natural infection.