Supermarket petrol... yay or nay?
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Z4 Gaz said:Where did I say they would be? The fact is they have never, and will never cause a fire because there is no risk. The only reason I don't use my phone at petrol stations is because I don't want the hassle of being told off by someone who works there.Hunter said:
Hunter said:
Sounds like all of that comes from petrol stations/ petroleum companies. Doesn't make it fact that they are a risk. Which they have been proven, scientifically, to not be.
Mobile phone companies would never certify every single one of their handsets to be used in explosive atmospheres, it would be expensive, time consuming, and ultimately pointless.
'Not intrinsically safe devices'What a load of old cobblers.
You clearly aren't going to change your mind so I will leave it there.
Youre a fool, i worked in explosive atmospheres and vessels for a living...yes intrinsically safe, ATEX rated and zoned devices are a thing!!!
Realistically though you are either going to pay for it or you are not. They dont need to see your face for this. They dont ask anybody wearing a skip hat and shades or a burka to remove them so why a crash helmet?Smartbear said:
Same goes for filling the bike while sitting on it. I have done this for 30 years and never had an accident or killed anybody, why the need to stand next to the bike when filling.
Nictrix said:
If you ride off without paying for the fuel, identification is going to make a big difference to the police apprehending the villains.
The garage would love to insist on burkas being removed I suspect, but are not allowed to for religious reasons.
The fact you’ve not slipped up whilst filling up astride the bike doesn’t mean that nobody else hasn’t though, we all get tied in with the average likelihood of an incident occurring like it or not!
Rob
I am not having a go at you about this but you mentioned the burka and missed the skip hat and shades. Surely they could ask that these are removed before filling or before entering the station to pay if its all about identification.Smartbear said:Nictrix said:
If you ride off without paying for the fuel, identification is going to make a big difference to the police apprehending the villains.
The garage would love to insist on burkas being removed I suspect, but are not allowed to for religious reasons.
The fact you’ve not slipped up whilst filling up astride the bike doesn’t mean that nobody else hasn’t though, we all get tied in with the average likelihood of an incident occurring like it or not!
Rob
Guys lets keep it on topic please, I've only been on the forum since getting my Z back in August of this year, but I am hoping to make it to the next meet and would like to think your all a good bunch of guys/ladys helping each other out.
Back to the subject, thank you all for taking the time to respond to my question regarding fuel. You have given me some new insight into this matter with things I didn't know before.
Still keep those votes coming in!
Back to the subject, thank you all for taking the time to respond to my question regarding fuel. You have given me some new insight into this matter with things I didn't know before.
Still keep those votes coming in!
i have always use asda - never EVER had a problem, there was a research done by someone a few years - car
mag i think, which proved texaco and bp is pants and shell is only slightly less pants in that their super duper stuff gives very little power for the money, my lexus soarer drank it too. I think they acknowledged v power was cleaner. the end .
mag i think, which proved texaco and bp is pants and shell is only slightly less pants in that their super duper stuff gives very little power for the money, my lexus soarer drank it too. I think they acknowledged v power was cleaner. the end .
.....and here is a curved ball .............my other car a diesel.....whilst filling up .........i accidentally started filling with Petrol .Probably about 4 liters in a empty tank.................changed nozzles and filled her to the brim with Diesel. Car seemed to go better with the injection of Petrol .......although you are talking about a 70 liter tank with 4 liters of petrol diluted. Maybe the Placebo effect .....????
"good bunch of guys/ladys helping each other out."
I know they are .. thing is about passion, its passionate, no matter what we all believe, we believe it passionately -
:lol: welcome to the group red
I know they are .. thing is about passion, its passionate, no matter what we all believe, we believe it passionately -
:lol: welcome to the group red
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8L-X89duEs
there ya go.. fifth gear
there ya go.. fifth gear
wrong !
Its definitely a lot worse for the diesel engine.
First of all, you can't fill a petrol car with diesel by mistake. Diesel nozzles are bigger than the filler neck on petrol cars. Also, there is a plate under the neck to prevent any intrusion but the small petrol nozzle, which was designed to prevent drivers from putting leaded(big nozzle too) petrol in the first place. If you happen to do that somehow, you wont damage the engine even if you try to start it.
Diesel is heavier than the gasoline, and much more "oily". It needs pressure to be ignited and does not evaporate as gasoline do. What happens after putting diesel on a tank is, diesel sank and injectors feed the engine a load of diesel. When you try to ignite the engine, spark plugs won't be able to fire the diesel and the engine won't start.
To fix the issue, draining the tank and filling it again with gasoline ,cleaning the injectors and finally cranking the engine to throw up the unwanted diesel would suffice. Some may want to change the fuel filter to be on the safe side but it is not a must.
The other way around, putting petrol on a diesel engine, is much more complicated. A diesel car can be filled with petrol rather easily, as the filler neck allows all nozzle kinds smaller than the diesel nozzle inside (which is basically every nozzle available).
Modern diesel engines operate at very high pressures and within very fine tolerances. Also the fuel act as a lubricant for the engine and the injection system. When petrol meets the diesel engine, it acts as a thinner, causing the fuel to lose its lubrication properties and cause the engine and fuel pump to wear down through friction. If it comes this far, whole fuel system needs to be flushed and if there are any damaged components, they need to be changed. (Probably a few)
If things go a little far, by trying to start the engine (may start) and try to drive; additional damage may happen by pre detonation. As petrol is much more volatile than the diesel, and diesel needs high pressure to be combusted, with so much pressure and air, petrol prematurely combusted and forcing pistons to rise and go back down out of their order. This kind of force may prove disastrous for many internal components in the engine block.
my old dad who was a diesel mechanic used to put a pint of diesel into a full talk of petrol petrol car every and now and then as he said as its basically oil it will lube the engine internals up a bit.. while neat petrol will go off like a bomb when its compressed in a diesel.
Andyturbo2000
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My brother worked at a petrol station. Absolutely not chance of a phone setting off fumes...as confirmed by Mythbusters too. They don’t like them because it affects the readings from the pumps on their computer