Sport button?

[thepits]

Brake in a straight line, change gear, turn into the corner, feather the throttle, gradually build up speed for the exit. Do not floor it too early, do not lift in a corner, be committed.

 

[Machine monkey]

I always try to heal n toe! Makes smother changes and a more stable pre corner entry. But my main reason is it sounds so good I also find it much easier with the button pressed. I always press the sport button And dct I like the steering feel and a little rear slip.

 

[RickRob]

I don't know who has what type of Z, but anyone with an ///M that doesn't notice a marked difference with the Sport Button on needs to either a) get their car checked, or b) get their own pulse checked!

 

[paulgs1000]

I always try to heal n toe! Makes smother changes and a more stable pre corner entry. But my main reason is it sounds so good I also find it much easier with the button pressed. I always press the sport button And dct I like the steering feel and a little rear slip.

+1

 

[Ewazix]

Since the sport button makes zero difference to the engine performance I wish you could get the steering effect without the throttle sensitivity being messed with, on my old Ford you could programme the steering settings for each key.

 

[paulgs1000]

Brake in a straight line, change gear, turn into the corner, feather the throttle, gradually build up speed for the exit. Do not floor it too early, do not lift in a corner, be committed.

Hmm - I find that not all situations on the road are that straightforward. . .

Some of this reminds me of the training I received in the mid 70s from the RAC/ACU and what you'll read in Motorcycle Roadcraft of the same era.

My corners aren't that simple: sometimes trailing a bit of braking into the apex to keep weight over the front wheels might be useful. Matching engine speed to the new gear so as not to upset the balance of the Zed I would feel is crucial. Building up speed depends on the corner - I know a few where you would come a cropper doing that. I adjust my speed in a corner by feathering the throttle (both ways), dependent upon that vanishing point (ex-biker - it's one way we read the corner).

I wouldn't advocate anyone commits on the road - I prefer to drive at 80% or less as I would hate to meet that family on their cycles or a horse etc without some possible alternative and then at 80% or less you might also be able to do something about a mis-read corner rather than just lift off.

I'm sure we all have our preferred methods.

Coming back to the OP - I find the Sport button offers me more control at higher revs.

 

[MrPT]

. . I believe some modern auto gearboxes match engine revs on changedowns

I think the latest Porsche manual boxes do it as well. Can't get my head round the point of that! :?

 

[mad4slalom]

As above always on it makes the car come alive I drive an Auto the only time I turn it off is when I want to save fuel

When I had my E30 M3 and used her as my daily drive I was constantly being asked the MPG I got. I always replied "Who Gives A Flip" Just

And with the price of petrol at the moment we can, AND with up to 20p off at Tesco that could mean less that £1.00 per litre.

you actually put tesco fuel in yr Zed ?? our local asda drivers are instructed to fill up at the bp station not their own asda fuel....... hmmmmm :wink:

 

[mad4slalom]

anyone else here find it hard to get off the clutch when attempting a quickish gettaway off the lights with sport on ? seems to "ride " for too long, which got me thinking whether the cdv is there for that very reason , you could then possibly drop the clutch quicker without doing any drivetrain damage. :?

 

[thepits]

As above always on it makes the car come alive I drive an Auto the only time I turn it off is when I want to save fuel

When I had my E30 M3 and used her as my daily drive I was constantly being asked the MPG I got. I always replied "Who Gives A Flip" Just And with the price of petrol at the moment we can, AND with up to 20p off at Tesco that could mean less that £1.00 per litre.

you actually put tesco fuel in yr Zed ?? our local asda drivers are instructed to fill up at the bp station not their own asda fuel....... hmmmmm :wink:

Yep! - momentum of course :wink:

 

[Paulwirral]

I nearly always heel and toe , it's an old fashioned way to stabilise a car on braking on entry to a corner .
It's also the best way to stop a bucket of s**t cutting out when you coast to a stop at any junction , it's a difficult habit to stop when you spent 20 years driving aforementioned buckets of s**t

 

[thepits]

I nearly always heel and toe , it's an old fashioned way to stabilise a car on braking on entry to a corner .
It's also the best way to stop a bucket of s**t cutting out when you coast to a stop at any junction , it's a difficult habit to stop when you spent 20 years driving aforementioned buckets of s**t

I can understand H&T in a bag of sh&t with a kn4ckered gearbox, but with todays modern manuals it is not required.

p.s.; Flash road-going autos blip the throttle on change-down just for the noise, it isn't necessary, it's just for show

 

[AJF]

Sport button always on!

Better throttle control, steering feel isn't masked (as much) by the power steering, and of course the sound heal and towing down through the gears!

 

[sbtwister]

Sport button always on. Too much pedal travel, and flat response without it.

 

[thepits]

Sport button always on!

Sport button always on.

+1, err 2, or is that 3


but with none of this heel/toe, double declutching rubbish?

 

[Squiddie]

I'm still skeptical that you UK folks get the adaptive steering that reacts to the mode button. Are you sure about that?

Given that I almost always drive manual mode in the transmission for me that throttle response is most important. I have the adaptive suspension but I never thought that it does all that much for most driving.

 

[thepits]

I'm still skeptical that you UK folks get the adaptive steering that reacts to the mode button. Are you sure about that? Given that I almost always drive manual mode in the transmission for me that throttle response is most important. I have the adaptive suspension but I never thought that it does all that much for most driving.

Don't most of your roads in the US go straight for miles, and miles, and miles, and miles, and .......... when you reach a slight curve if you are in an American car it gets scares and crashes?

So obviously if you are in a EU car it's got to feel better.

 

[paulgs1000]

I can understand H&T in a bag of sh&t with a kn4ckered gearbox, but with todays modern manuals it is not required.

:?

Hmm, as we are discussing the 'Sport' button which sharpens up the throttle response and therefore encourages owners to 'use' the potential of their Zeds then. . .

I'm concerned that drivers using the full performance of the Zed might put themselves in a difficult situation if they believe the synchro will sufficiently manage every change of gear when driving their Zed - there's a great deal more to consider. . . .

unsettling the balance of the car for example. . .

Particularly during spirited safe driving. Entering a corner at high revs, under braking when changing down a gear - the synchro will drag the rear axle which can be useful engine braking but puts a heavy load on the drive line and unsettles the car's balance taking weight from the front of the car, upsetting the amount of grip of the front tyres - at the same time it can unsettle rear grip as the shock of the higher revs run through to the rear tyres breaking traction - certainly at high revs in my Zed - or am I missing something here . . . .?

You had better use the clutch very smoothly if you don't match the revs. Using a bit of outside sole on your right foot (heel and toeing) in my 3.0si, particularly on a sharp corner with negative camber keeps the Zed balanced and under control . Not using toe and heel in such a situation would call for more distance needed in the run up to the corner. I don't understand why anyone wouldn't wish to match the revs on the change down, keeping the zed balanced and at high revs (ready for the exit) :?

I am concerned that other drivers don't ignore the art of heel and toeing in the belief that the synchro will always be enough to manage their Zed - in my opinion, not so when exploiting the upper potential of the Zed.

I am also one of those sad folk that blips the throttle on a down change when not essential as well. . . .that's just because I love the sound.

I think that's enough for now on this topic . . . . .

 

[thepits]

Sorry Paul, but I edited your post to

I am also one of those sad folk that blips the throttle on a down change when not essential as well. . . .that's just because I love the sound.

As I agree with this bit - especially with MM mods [that's why I don't need a radio ]

I think that's enough for now on this topic . . . . .

Oh no, not yet

 

[paulgs1000]

It is for me. . . .no need to keep making the same point.

Puts me in mind of the Biblical quote. . .

"And some fell on stony ground"