So, Is Vettels car rigged ??? or not ???

I wonder if Horner and Vettel, had this discussion a few weeks ago

V, why are they booing me Christian
H, cos you keep giving the finger Seb
V, how can I make them like me more?
H, try to be a little more human, I don't know do something spontaneous like a donuts on the track, petrol heads like donuts

I know very cynical of me, as we are all talking about it
 
We don't like 'him' cos its boring watching the same thing happen every race.
It's not as exciting watching a scrap if it's for fifth.

Red Bull has an amazing car.
I like the theory on the earlier link that the kers is performing some sort of traction control, but am not sure that's what they're doing. I can see it working if the Kers control unit starts to harvest the energy of the faster wheel if one rear wheel spins up?
Read Gary Anderson's blog about expanding floors, very interesting.
Vettel definitelty understands the tyres better than Webber, or asks for more feedback about temps.
His starts seem to indicate he also understands the car better at full load - maybe they optimise it for a fuller load so he can clear off at the start.
 
sars said:
I wonder if Horner and Vettel, had this discussion a few weeks ago

V, why are they booing me Christian
H, cos you keep giving the finger Seb
V, how can I make them like me more?
H, try to be a little more human, I don't know do something spontaneous like a donuts on the track, petrol heads like donuts

I know very cynical of me, as we are all talking about it
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Also, he might want to be seen walking about drinking from one of those caps with a red bull can either side :thumbsup:
 
chris g said:
was the Benetton that schuey won in twice the fastest car ? - thats news to me ....
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The one with the illegal fuel rig and launch control? Yes, i think it was the fastest

I suppose it was going slower at the point he crashed into Damon Hill in Australia for the '94 championship so you might have a point

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I believe F1 is investigating Sebs car, we can only wait and see what they find. I hope the investigators are smarter than the Red Bull Engineers and we get the truth. :thumbsup: or :thumbsdown: I just want to know the truth. (this is not the time for a Jack Nicholson clip :rofl: )

I did compete in a sport at a very high level and understand completely "Pushing the Envelope", I also saw the man with the most olympic golds and world championships cheating, right next to me. :thumbsdown: :thumbsdown:
 
I think the stewards investigated the floor and heat tested it following allegations that the RB floor was flexing upwards with heat.

The floor was deemed legal

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Just watched today's race on the Beeb. A few questions arise:
1. How can Vettel's car open up a sufficient gap within 20 laps to make a pit stop and still come out in the lead? It's certainly not driver ability, no single driver is that much better than the other Elite drivers
2. How do Vettel's tyres last so long when the car is averaging nearly 2 seconds per lap faster than all the other cars? Traction control of sorts.
3. Rosberg's Mercedes was not much slower than Webber's RB. So only Vettel has the massive advantage on his RB.

If it looks too good to be true, and just like watching drug cheats in other sports.
 
Why would RB risk everything by cheating? Some people are naturally tuned into their cars, exhibit mechanical sympathy and get the best from the man/machine combination. I'm not a fan of Vettel but I respect his ability.
 
Stuart Truman said:
Why would RB risk everything by cheating? Some people are naturally tuned into their cars, exhibit mechanical sympathy and get the best from the man/machine combination. I'm not a fan of Vettel but I respect his ability.
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You need more than ability to go 2 seconds a lap faster than your team mate. Vettel is never 2 seconds a lap ahead of Webber in qualifying (i.e. 2%), and that was also the case in Dubai yesterday.

The rules of F1 are written by lawyers and as all lawyers know, if you can interpret the rules with normal use of language which can circumvent the spirit of the rules, then that is not considered to be cheating.
 
We know that running in clean air helps. Vettel is usually out front. The others are battling for position and running in dirty air.

I find the conspiracy theories comical. Why? Because I could make up 100 stories about Vettel's dominance, but all of it would be unsubstantiated. Until something is found to be wrong with SV's car.... the difference is the driver.

1994 Bennetton on the other hand. Illegal fuel rig and TC software found on the car. Of course they weren't using the illegal software. Honest guv


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Adamski said:
We know that running in clean air helps. Vettel is usually out front. The others are battling for position and running in dirty air.
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The second placed car running some 30 seconds behind Vettel is also running in clean air...
 
I just watched the Beeb coverage too. Something's not right when he's opening a 20-30 sec gap out of nowhere from the off and then holding it through the race. Heard on the commentary that the RB kers unit sits in the gear box, but I have no idea if that has any bearing on things.

The funniest result of Vettel's superman performance is that actually the only time he gets any coverage is at the beginning, during pit stops, and at the end... The rest of the race is much more exciting to watch :lol:
 
exdos said:
Just watched today's race on the Beeb. A few questions arise:
1. How can Vettel's car open up a sufficient gap within 20 laps to make a pit stop and still come out in the lead? It's certainly not driver ability, no single driver is that much better than the other Elite drivers
2. How do Vettel's tyres last so long when the car is averaging nearly 2 seconds per lap faster than all the other cars? Traction control of sorts.
3. Rosberg's Mercedes was not much slower than Webber's RB. So only Vettel has the massive advantage on his RB.

If it looks too good to be true, and just like watching drug cheats in other sports.
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Hamilton, Webber and Rosberg pitted a lot earlier, got caught in traffic behind the cars on primes which allowed Vettel to get away
 
exdos said:
Adamski said:
We know that running in clean air helps. Vettel is usually out front. The others are battling for position and running in dirty air.
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The second placed car running some 30 seconds behind Vettel is also running in clean air...
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He wasn't pulling out 2 secs per lap at the end though! :lol:

Alonso was fastest man on track at the end of the race. Must have been because he had the softer tyre (or he switched on his traction control ;) )


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Did hear that the RB has some type of engine management system that cuts two cylinders when cornering then engages them all on exit which apparently increases traction. Don't understand it but if it works it would explainwhy the RB's are able to get on the gas earlier out of the corners. May also explain the car sounding different to the rest.
 
I can see all sides to this argument:-

1. Do I think Webber gets the same car and equipment as Vettel? Probably not as he seems to have had far more mechanical problems than Vettel. But I also don't particularly rate Webber that much either. He always seems to find a way to cock things up from a great position that Vettel and Alonso in particular never would. It was interesting listening to Horner being interviewed yesterday after Webber's pole. He didn't sound very pleased at all. Contrast that to whenever Vettel does anything. The favouritism is so blatant. Riccardo will be the next in line as the Australian whipping boy next season.
2. Vettel has done nothing wrong. He's driven the car he's been given exceptionally well and is a decent young bloke. I think he gets an unjustifiably harsh press. Do I think he's a true legend in the sport? Well not really, no. You can't really say that when his team has been so dominant for years.
3. There is too much emphasis on the skill of the team designing the car and not enough on who is the out and out best driver. The technical regulations need to be made much tighter and more consistent so there is no deviation allowed. The public don't pay £200 for a ticket to see if Adrian Newey has designed a more aerodynamically efficient floor than the other team designers do they?

The sport needs to do something though because it is starting to get very dull again. When you hardly see the front-runner and all of the TV coverage is on the middle of the field you know you've got an issue.
 
All fair points OG... However it has to be said that some of the racing behind first, and sometimes second, has been brilliant in the last couple of races :thumbsup:

It's not the races per se that are boring, it's the inevitability of it all. Which is a shame, because Vettel is clearly a very good driver - but he's not really being pushed by his peers, so there's very little pressure on him. At the moment he's just demonstrating he has great technique - technique only becomes true skill when you can perform it just as well under pressure.
 
sars said:
Hamilton, Webber and Rosberg pitted a lot earlier, got caught in traffic behind the cars on primes which allowed Vettel to get away
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But Vettel was making incredible time on them all even before they pitted.
 
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