So, Is Vettels car rigged ??? or not ???
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Or maybe he's just a talented driver with a personality bypass. Nigel Mansell was a bit like that.
His car sounds different and he can get traction in a corner 50 metres before any others , including the 3 other world champions who are also very talented..... As for personality , it has nothing to do with it ??? Most high flyers in any sport are a bit whacked out so he fits in with the rest of them ....
I guess the question you've got to ask is, is he that much better than Webber - I like webber, think he's a top bloke and he's no slouch, but is vettel & team, that much better than webber and webbers support?
there is most definitely a no1 and no2 at RB, but how much does that tip the scales? Or is Vettel really that much better?
there is most definitely a no1 and no2 at RB, but how much does that tip the scales? Or is Vettel really that much better?
In races, his car goes about 2secs per lap faster than the others. That's not talent! Here's an explanation of how his car might be operating: http://www.wired.com/autopia/2013/10/red-bull-f1-traction-control/
exdos said:
That's an interesting article exdos, hadn't seen that before.
...but wouldn't Webber not benefit from the same trick? So even if RB had a secret TC system, could this only be potentially be only available to SV? Are RB so calculating that with SV's victories, that Webbers mediaocre finihses would probably be enough to help supplement the constructors cship?
Guys. Cut the bullshit.
Seb is a talented driver, who exploits the coanda effect very well (not sure what coanda is? look it up.). At 19 yrs old he won a Grand Prix in a Toro Roso. Who else has done the same?
Ask yourself. Has any inferior driver won 4 driver titles? No.
Is red bull the fastest car? Yes. How many other drivers have won the world drivers championship with a slower car? Not many.
I can think of:
Senna 1991
Prost 1986
Hunt 1976
Every other year, IMO the driver who won also had fastest car.
It's easy to belittle Seb. It's harder to appreciate talent.
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Seb is a talented driver, who exploits the coanda effect very well (not sure what coanda is? look it up.). At 19 yrs old he won a Grand Prix in a Toro Roso. Who else has done the same?
Ask yourself. Has any inferior driver won 4 driver titles? No.
Is red bull the fastest car? Yes. How many other drivers have won the world drivers championship with a slower car? Not many.
I can think of:
Senna 1991
Prost 1986
Hunt 1976
Every other year, IMO the driver who won also had fastest car.
It's easy to belittle Seb. It's harder to appreciate talent.
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One driver being so dominant ruins the sport, F1 needs to decide is it going to be a Technical showcase or all about the Drivers, one of the best things is seeing how they all did on the top gear track, gives an idea of talent given the same machine to work with
I agree with Adamski.
He's a bloody good driver and it just so happens he has the best car at the moment so its a recipe for success.
Hopefully next year smaller turbos will possibly give Mercedes' an advantage with their AMG division but a great driver is one who can show consistent wins with a car that is not necessarily the best on the grid.
I think the rules with degrading tyres ruined things as drivers cant really push the car anymore and race plus with Vettel being good (but no Senna) and being in a team that can exploit tyres and downforce, it kind of killed the season for most people whether you like him or not.
He's a bloody good driver and it just so happens he has the best car at the moment so its a recipe for success.
Hopefully next year smaller turbos will possibly give Mercedes' an advantage with their AMG division but a great driver is one who can show consistent wins with a car that is not necessarily the best on the grid.
I think the rules with degrading tyres ruined things as drivers cant really push the car anymore and race plus with Vettel being good (but no Senna) and being in a team that can exploit tyres and downforce, it kind of killed the season for most people whether you like him or not.
exdos said:
Thats a great read.... And someone at the pub mentioned that his car sounds different!
He is a good driver i would give that, but he isnt in the same league as Prost and Fangio, which on paper suggests. Also as he is still a young chappy i would say he is in a seriously good position to go beyond what schumacher achieved.
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Best package of car/driver/team/money on the grid, simples. Webber hung out to dry season after season, but if he really wanted to do more than pick up the paycheck then he should have left two years ago.
I like and I don't like Vettel, he is a fine driver without doubt, his skill is doing enough of what he needs to do in lap times to win and having a little fun when he wants. At the moment Vettel and Redbull are singing in complete harmony and I'm sure that if Vettel hadn't secured the championship at the last race he would be on pole today. That's not to say he let Webber just that it wasn't necessary.
and that is my problem with him, he is a machine, that and the finger.
As for Redbull, Newey has a the gift of continually improving a car in small area, that combine to make a winning whole, some of these improvements may stretch legality but it's up to the others to beat him or contest with the FIA.
and that is my problem with him, he is a machine, that and the finger.
As for Redbull, Newey has a the gift of continually improving a car in small area, that combine to make a winning whole, some of these improvements may stretch legality but it's up to the others to beat him or contest with the FIA.
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Cannot stand the finger, it's the car that has more on it than Webbers car.
When he was in a lower formula with cars exactly the same Paul Di-resta used to regularly beat him
When he was in a lower formula with cars exactly the same Paul Di-resta used to regularly beat him
I'm sure it's not rigged.
Adrian Newey just has a better handle on what's allowed within the rules and car specs.
Webber stuck it on pole as he has a great car and drove better than Vettel yesterday.
Vettel is a great driver who gets the rules. He puts in a Mansell charge on laps 1&2 and opens up a window to negate DRS and then drives as he needs to.
If I'd won four on the bounce you'd get the finger from me too.......
Lets see what the turbos do next year.......
Adrian Newey just has a better handle on what's allowed within the rules and car specs.
Webber stuck it on pole as he has a great car and drove better than Vettel yesterday.
Vettel is a great driver who gets the rules. He puts in a Mansell charge on laps 1&2 and opens up a window to negate DRS and then drives as he needs to.
If I'd won four on the bounce you'd get the finger from me too.......
Lets see what the turbos do next year.......