So are you going to go out once the lock down starts to be lifted?

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Its a good idea to have some sort of hobby or activity to occupy the mind and keep oneself busy during these tough times. My wife thinks things are all gonna get worse in the future so she got online and bought a load of solar panels, solar controllers, wires fuses etc etc and its my task to put it all together. Its been good fun, I'm not an electrician but have managed to get my head around most of the problems. There is so much info and support on You Tube and solar forums to help noobies like myself.
At the end of the day when the sun is out, as a treat, I will put the roof down on my Z4 and go for a little drive ( I mean little, 5km or less ) around our glorious country roads here in SW France. Its enough to put a big smile on my face during these bad times.....
 
Pbondar said:
wonkydonkey said:
Did you just call us all old and fat? :rofl:

I would hope that a return to normality will be driven by antibodies testing primarily, to identify those who are (read: should be) immune. The first wave of home test kits were found to be inaccurate, but hopefully some better test kits will be produced and we can get a first wave of people back into work. Officially recording who is/isn't immune is a potential minefield, but I feel this is the way "the great return" should work.

Personally I think normality will be a long way away..I think risk management will the new order..balancing deaths from COVID-19 vs deaths from other causes and economic damage..

In that context given the lack of police to enforce a police state if they say let people under 60 out..then people over 60 could get out with little chance of being stopped if they want to..but as Clint Eastwood said ‘ do you feel lucky punk?’
Nice one... I think you might be right....
 
I've ventured out a little. I had to get the new car smog checked. I took every precaution I could think to take. It's been 2 weeks - looks like I survived.... :?
I'm glad I can continue to work at home as I have for the past 10 years. I get about everything delivered. This does reduce my exposure to one but even a delivery is not without risks.
Life will not be normal for quite some time. Whoever said buckle up for the long ride had it right IMHO.
Stay safe (drive fast alone) :rofl:
 
Keyper said:
TitanTim said:
I can't see anyone being safe until you're vaccinated or you're lucky enough to have mild syptoms if caught and you have developed an immunity. Surely once the lockdown is decreased the virus isn't magically going to disappear so testing is maybe most important at the moment and ramping it up ASAP. I can't see any sort of normality returning for at least a year or maybe two.

Tim.


Totally agree unfortunately, unless a vaccine is fast tracked, some type of social distancing will be here for some time, but the way I see it, is that most of us will get it at some point and the government is just trying to spread the virus out slowly so that the NHS can cope with it

It’s real sad times for many just now for many families who have lost loved ones
So here we are in October. Vaccines are surely being fast tracked, but what has not been allowed to happen is the herd immunity. We have all done our bit and stayed home to allow the NHS to prepare for the high volumes of infected patients, but that has not been realised. Instead hospitals are empty, nightingale wards are mothballed and the sceptre of covid is hung over us daily. It's being dragged out and the silver bullet approach of a vaccine is dangled in front of the scared masses. Fear V3.0 is in the offing.
Strange, we also find out that a government advisor has a 43,111 share stake in Glaxo-Smith Kline. He's already taken £5m from them on leaving the company but still has a vested interest in their affairs - and the vaccine. Therefore he has a conflict of interest regarding any advice he gives the Government.
Until we are allowed to get out and get on with this thing, it'll drag on and on. Meanwhile people are confused, despairing, frustrated, suicidal, jobless. A mess.
With the recent pressure being brought on to the government by the successes of Sweden (thank god someone has brains) I can only hope we can change the way we approach this. Winter is coming.
 
What was the definition of success of Sweden? I thought they fared in the end a lot worse then its neighbours who took a different path?
 
Sweden and Norway are very similar in population structure, living habits etc so they can really be compared. Hence that Sweden was not really seen as a shining example in the Nordics.

The UK has a very different population make up, with a lot of immigrants from areas that have very different living habits and seem to be particularly vulnerable to this strain of the virus.
 
pvr said:
Sweden and Norway are very similar in population structure, living habits etc so they can really be compared. Hence that Sweden was not really seen as a shining example in the Nordics.

The UK has a very different population make up, with a lot of immigrants from areas that have very different living habits and seem to be particularly vulnerable to this strain of the virus.

https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3765
 
I'm merrily still keeping away from as many people as possible, so no shops, all done on the Internet, no social gatherings and pay for petrol using an App so no queueing and that's how I will carry on into next year now.

As far as I'm concerned let the great thick British public get on with it, so if they want to co-mingle in each other's houses, run a muck in the streets with no social distancing after throwing out time it's no skin of my nose, let them get on with it I say. I pity the elderly and vulnerable.

All this can be managed through self control and responsibility, it doesn't need the Government to spell it out to you.

Tim.
 
Is anyone actually dying of COVID at the moment?

You see that cases have gone through the roof, and people are suffering financially as a result of punitive measures to contain the virus, but the daily numbers seem very low for the reaction it is gaining.

To explain, I get the need for the initial response back in March, but it seems that the measures now are disproportionate to the actual effect it is having
 
Jameszy said:
Is anyone actually dying of COVID at the moment?

You see that cases have gone through the roof, and people are suffering financially as a result of punitive measures to contain the virus, but the daily numbers seem very low for the reaction it is gaining.

To explain, I get the need for the initial response back in March, but it seems that the measures now are disproportionate to the actual effect it is having
Yes, I agree. Lot's of cases (as you'd expect from easing the restrictions), but not a proportionate amount of deaths.
In answer to others, can you imagine how much better our lifestyle would be better off if we eased the restrictions off in June and got back on with our lives? Allowed the herd immunity to happen, utilised the hospitals as part of the plan, and let ourselves approach winter with a better idea of where we are?
Don't just focus on the cases, think of the peripheral damage this has done.
 
ronk said:
There‘s not so many of the “let’s just crack on“ brigade about now is there?
Well, I am.
What's the alternative? Hide in your house until you get a vaccine?
If you are in the vunerable group, that's a different matter. But anyone under the age of 70 should be fairly confident that they would come out the other side OK.
I was discussing this with our neighbour the other day. 3 people got covid in our street. They were diagnosed and confirmed sometime after feeling the symptoms. In the meantime and prior, their families were merrily going back and forth to the shops, carrying their family members virus around with them, probably touching items etc etc. Then the diagnosis was confirmed and they had to isolate. In each case, either no-one in the house contracted the virus, or either got symptoms that were so mild, they were not affected. In the meantime, those germs were probably plastered all around our town.
In those three households that I personally saw, all three households came out the other side without much drama. The age groups ranged from 10 to 60+.
 
The problem with herd immunity is because the virus affects the young and old to varying degrees there is no way of knowing how it would affect the population as a whole. You might find any I'll effects and deaths might in reality be not that high, on the other hand death rates could really get out of control and hospitals completely overwhelmed.

Its foolish to think herd immunity is the answer and already proven you can catch it more than once increasing the chance of spreading it to the more vulnerable in society.

I'm quite happy with the hermit lifestyle, beats being in intensive care gasping for breath. In reality would it affect me seriously? Probably not but I don't wish to find out.

Tim.
 
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