So are you going to go out once the lock down starts to be lifted?

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The government has defined two risk groups..the very high risk group that includes people with auto immune/COPD/kidney failure etc and a broader risk group, over 70 and/or diabetes/heart issues/obese etc..

I suspect that there is an over representation of these two groups in this forum?

So my question is...

There will be, most probably, a structured release of restrictions starting whenever..probably 3-4 weeks time, stretching for months I suspect.

In that context when will you decide to peek outside and under what circumstances..?

Say you’re in the second risk group..do you go to a hotel for a weekend if it’s open when you know that you’re at much greater risk of being stricken severely if you get the virus?

Clearly the government is under pressure to release some economic activity and younger / healthier people statistically are less likely to be subsequently in hospital and then maybe die..so allowing them to be in the first groups to get out is logical..but for many others until the virus is driven to the edge of extinction there will be a latent threat at any time of being a victim..

Discuss.. :tumbleweed:
 
Did you just call us all old and fat? :rofl:

I would hope that a return to normality will be driven by antibodies testing primarily, to identify those who are (read: should be) immune. The first wave of home test kits were found to be inaccurate, but hopefully some better test kits will be produced and we can get a first wave of people back into work. Officially recording who is/isn't immune is a potential minefield, but I feel this is the way "the great return" should work.
 
wonkydonkey said:
Did you just call us all old and fat? :rofl:

I would hope that a return to normality will be driven by antibodies testing primarily, to identify those who are (read: should be) immune. The first wave of home test kits were found to be inaccurate, but hopefully some better test kits will be produced and we can get a first wave of people back into work. Officially recording who is/isn't immune is a potential minefield, but I feel this is the way "the great return" should work.
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Personally I think normality will be a long way away..I think risk management will the new order..balancing deaths from COVID-19 vs deaths from other causes and economic damage..

In that context given the lack of police to enforce a police state if they say let people under 60 out..then people over 60 could get out with little chance of being stopped if they want to..but as Clint Eastwood said ‘ do you feel lucky punk?’
 
I am 75 with some heart disease so won’t be taking any chances. We have holidays booked for November and January 2021 and we usually have a few days in Northumberland in October. None of this will happen unless we are confident that it is safe to go. We will also be keeping away from any potentially crowded areas too. Visits to coffee shops, pubs and restaurants will be on the back burner for the foreseeable future. When ‘released’ we will make use of the Z for some Summer drives with the top down but generally we will be ‘keeping our distance’ and trying to minimise the risks. As frustrating as this is likely to be, hopefully it will be for a limited period. You are a long time dead so why take unnecessary risks. :roll:
 
IRD sums it up for us as well Peter,
Being in the old farts group seems the sensible thing to do.
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hmmm, limited outside exposure. i'll be able to go out, but my wife will likely be very cautious about the outside world now. but most of our weekends consist of sitting in a cafe, so if they reopen, i might go over and get coffee to go, and bring it back for my wife.

our next hotel stay is rescheduled for july now, if we do go down we'll maintain distancing, and probably limit exposure to large groups. but will see how things are progressing my mid May first, July is still a long way away.
 
I’m in group one, I’ve already been told my earliest possible “release date” is the 2nd week in July if everything progresses well.

I have to be honest and say it will be a peek back into society. I think for quite a while it’ll be out for a day in the Z4. OH getting anything needed while out and back to either hers or mine at the end of the day - no restaurants/hotels for the foreseeable which is a shame.

We are regular weekenders away and it’s a huge part of out life but until I’m confident my risk has significantly reduced I’ll be maintaining this stance.

I know this not a great issue with everything that’s going but after reading another reply I thought about travel insurance. We normally go abroad once a year in January - same again that will be a biggish decision this year. I also wonder if I’m going to get shafted by travel insurance when the time comes as is already extortionate but I can’t travel without it.
 
I've got Spa F1 GP in August (if it goes ahead), and we've got the National in July (if it goes ahead). Plus our semi-random Nürburgring trips.

Other than that, I'll be sticking to my normal weekend blasts into Wales, and depending on the weather it will be with a tent in the car or a B&B somewhere in mid-Wales.

Despite being bored working from home - mainly due to the heavy reduction in random social contact than in an open office - I'm really not missing the Mon/Thur commute between Liverpool & London, nor staying in an expensive (for what it is) B&B near the office all week, and currently I'd rather be bored at home and keep the (non-reimbursable) travel/accommodation costs in my pocket.

That view may change as things drag on though and I decide the social contact is worth the extra cost.
 
Before you make the decision read this: https://www.ft.com/content/d738b2c6-000a-421b-9dbd-f85e6b333684 and click onto the link for The Covid-19 Decision Support Tool.

Most of us already get one point because the government has been mass-medicating us with antihypertensives, then add in the points for your age....

If there's a second wave of uncontrolled infection after release from lockdown and the NHS gets inundated, people over the age of 60 will be completely f**ked on that published points scale. Do you want to sign your own death certificate or do you prefer to wait for the vaccine?
 
Firstly, get people back to work who cannot work from home and test negative on accurate equipment. That's the first Dove. Get industries up and running. The sacrificial age group is between 28 and 55 for me. :oops:
 
With AF seeming on its way back I’ve regrettably put our Cornwall July holiday off until next year when hopefully a vaccine will be available. I’m not obese and 53 but I simply don’t know how the virus would affect me, if the AF returns to pre-op levels then I really think I could be in some bother given the effects AF had without a virus to give it helping hand. Given that previous knowledge I’m taking as much care as possible, I’m no alarmist or snowflake but I really don’t want this thing until there’s a vaccine so it’ll be pretty much as it is now for the rest do this year. I’ve got tickets for the British GP which will be cancelled I think, but also tickets for Genesis in December and tbh I don’t think I’ll be going even if the gig goes ahead. Such a shame but I really have zero idea how I’d be with the virus, and that’s enough to be very wary. :(
 
The question had to be asked. :thumbsup:

Personaly I will be taking each day as it comes and continually reassessing the risk to me and mine, as well as at least some consideration of the rest of the word. That started before any enforced restrictions and will no doubt continue as they are lifted.

Stay safe all, but don't"t forget to try and live a little while you are at it. :)
 
I think it's prudent to let the young and the thin go first. I'd like to see them out and about, getting back to the beaches and clubs for about a month before us old guys start coming out... I think caution is paramount. I'd rather miss a couple a month than years of fun out there - Stay home. I heard they have just extended the lockdown for 4 more weeks in Los Angeles
 
BeeEmm said:
Firstly, get people back to work who cannot work from home and test negative on accurate equipment. That's the first Dove. Get industries up and running. The sacrificial age group is between 28 and 55 for me. :oops:
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Cheers, don't worry about me catching anything and then bringing that back home for my newborn baby to get :thumbsdown:
 
I can't see anyone being safe until you're vaccinated or you're lucky enough to have mild syptoms if caught and you have developed an immunity. Surely once the lockdown is decreased the virus isn't magically going to disappear so testing is maybe most important at the moment and ramping it up ASAP. I can't see any sort of normality returning for at least a year or maybe two.

Tim.
 
I don't think there will be more age-base segregation than there already is when coming out of lockdown; it just doesn't make clinical sense as everyone immunity and underlying issues can be different.

For instance, my step-daughter is mid-thirties but asthmatic and generally one of the weakest people (in terms of immunity) that I know. Every headache is a migraine, every cold is either 'flu or chest infection. I'm 13 years older, fitter, stronger and appear to have a decent immune system (purely anecdotal, but the teenager and my wife get colds, sore throats, etc that I seem to dodge).

I'm not being complacent though - even though I think I'd stand a pretty good chance of only having mild symptoms, it's still Russian roulette and I'm in no hurry to tempt fate. We have a holiday booked for late May which is clearly going to be cancelled. I shall re-book, but probably for the same time next year because mostly I reckon there's a decent chance of a second wave that will disrupt travel in late summer/autumn, but also because I'd prefer to have had any vaccine/antibody test before I go.
 
TitanTim said:
I can't see anyone being safe until you're vaccinated or you're lucky enough to have mild syptoms if caught and you have developed an immunity. Surely once the lockdown is decreased the virus isn't magically going to disappear so testing is maybe most important at the moment and ramping it up ASAP. I can't see any sort of normality returning for at least a year or maybe two.

Tim.
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There is a lot a of testing going on Tim. My wife is now registered for a test, should she think she has had Covid19. So i'm guessing they have come down the tree as far as humble care home workers. Still a long way to go to offer testing to the general population though.

A glance at the figures the other day, suggested to my statistical mind that about 10% of the population of the Uk had caught the virus by last Saturday. Population centres like Birmingham, London and Liverpool will build up heard immunity before they get a vaccine out there. It's the folk hiding away in rural retreats, like many of us, that are going to need a vaccine before it is safe out there. So what I am suggesting is, it will be safe to walk freely and socialise around London, before it will be safe to walk around Saltash. :(
 
Afraid I wont be going far after a partial relax of lockdown - I wont be happy until I've had a jab!
Im in the broader risk group) Once its been relaxed I will tax the jalopy and go for days out with a flask and sandwiches :thumbsup:

The Germany? Netherlands trip for August has been binned.
 
john-e89 said:
Euthanasia or vaccine jab Ronk......? :evil: :wink:
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I will go for the jab if that's ok :thumbsup:
Ps sorry to hear of the possible return of AF - I think accept it for now until this business is well out of the way.
I do hope its just a wobble.
 
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