Rules relaxation and idiots

[Nictrix]

Having watched Boris and Matt Hancock today saying don't travel to red listed countries, only travel to Amber if urgent but quarantine on return, and you can holiday to green listed countries but still have to be tested, I found it very frustrating to watch BBC presenters on The One show ALL say it was confusing? What exactly is confusing?

Am I super intelligent (Don't think so) or is it the media just trying to tell us it's confusing to create an anti govt. story?

Im not saying that you dont understand what they have said but,
If you are not allowed to travel to red listed countries then the sensible thing to do would be to stop flying planes there.
If there is a flight going somewhere and people can book a ticket they will go. If there are no planes going to these countries you cannot book a ticket therefore you cannot go.
I saw something the other day about flights coming in from India while they were talking about the worrying Indian variant, there were half a dozen planes a day coming in, probably still is.

The point is this travel stuff is only advice and not Law as Matt Hancock said, they hope the public will act responsibly. There are some circumstances where a person can travel too or from a red or amber listed country but the quarantine rules then apply when they enter the UK.
As such the airlines who want to make money still fly to these places and are not bothered if their passengers then have to quarantine.

My other question would be if traveling is against Govt advice then surely these people must realise their insurance will be null and void if they try to claim on it?

And if you look at the last year the public have not acted responsibly.
Give people an inch and they will take a mile.
Letting people decide for themselves whether or not they should go to an area where they could potentially bring back another strain of the virus should not even be on the table.
I do hope I am wrong but I can see this heading in the wrong direction in a few months time.

 

[TitanTim]

But I'm guessing this time around the biggest plus is we have a vaccine now hence why every single person who can should take it up as surely it's quickest way out of all of this, end of the day isn't it about keeping hospital admissions and deaths down regardless of age. Once you are vaccinated plus any boosters and you did catch the virus the chances are you might feel a bit crap but more importantly symptoms are less severe and less likely ending up in hospital.

The more people that refuse the vaccine or ummmm and arrrr about it just means the longer this will go on I reckon.

Tim.

 

[Pondrew]

And if you look at the last year the public have not acted responsibly.
Give people an inch and they will take a mile.
Letting people decide for themselves whether or not they should go to an area where they could potentially bring back another strain of the virus should not even be on the table.
I do hope I am wrong but I can see this heading in the wrong direction in a few months time

Yes 100% agree. It would seem in the last 15 months the Gov have learned nothing about public behaviour, or don't care, and "the public" have learned nothing and don't care.

I think a lot of the Gov rhetoric regarding travel now is to appease the airlines who are as powerful as the banks. Remember 2008, too big to fail?

The Gov headline of "use common sense on travel" is a get out for them when it all goes pear-shaped (again).

Official Covid 19 cases are up by 25% today on yesterday just for context.

 

[rdgreen]

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[mgrlane]

Reading how scared and negative you lot are does make me feel very sad.

It also makes me feel very worried that there are 1000's more of you out there that are equally as scared and as irrational.

Case numbers are not a great worry if the vaccines works (you can still catch it with or without a vaccine) and comparing one day to the next is a little crazy. As we open up the numbers aren't going to go down are they. I guess it's something negative you can worry and focus on when the death numbers have all been around 6-7 a day all week.

I don't blame you. I blame they physiological warfare the government and the press have bestowed upon you over the last 14 months or so. I bet it feels terrible.

 

[mmm-five]

I don't blame you. I blame they physiological warfare the government and the press have bestowed upon you over the last 14 months or so. I bet it feels terrible.

Do you really mean 'physiological' or did you mean 'psychological' warfare :?

That's the problem with conspiracy theorists, they can't even use the correct words...they just use 'long words' to make their inane arguments seem more compelling :lol:

If you really think this is all 'fake news', 'blown all out of proportion' , 'nothing to get worked up about', etc. then I feel really sorry for you

 

[Zulu4]

There were 6 deaths yesterday in the UK (of people who tested positive for COVID in the last 28 days) -
out of a population of 66 000 000.

That's 0.000009%

As Sir Charles Walker MP pointed out on Channel 4 news "So, is no-one allowed to die of COVID, ever ?"

It's just got to end.

 

[mgrlane]

Do you really mean 'physiological' or did you mean 'psychological' warfare

That's the problem with conspiracy theorists, they can't even use the correct words...they just use 'long words' to make their inane arguments seem more compelling

If you really think this is all 'fake news', 'blown all out of proportion' , 'nothing to get worked up about', etc. then I feel really sorry for you

Sorry buddy- bit dyslexic and although I know what I mean sometimes it comes out wrong. It appears that you understood the point I was trying to make.

Wouldn't say I was a conspiracy theorist. There is a threat of Covid but I don't think it is or thing about the same way you doom and gloom merchants on here do.

I am very much a numbers man-An example of this is that and as of this morning 24 Covid patients in Bolton hospital. 8 Covid in Blackburn hospital.

I guess that if the numbers increased from the 8 in Blackpool to lets say 12 then the headline figure that you will be beaten with is "50% increase in Blackburn, surge, surge, surge, lock up your grandkids, loose your liberties and the right to what you put in your body, jab, jab, jab"

It's easy to box me off as a conspiracy theorist just as it would be easy for me to box you off as an idiot. But I don't, I can just see that you have fallen victim to the fear mongering or psychological warfare. (got it right- copied yours) :wink:

I am going to get about as worked up about the Indian variant as I have been about the other 4-5 variants before hand. The patterns have been the same with all. Mass fear imposed over the public (just as they are about to give back some of their freedoms). Stupid models that have no resemblance to what actually happens, an increase in testing (thus more "positives") and then a slow back track from the government.

It's a funny old world. And I do wish you and your mental health all the best.

 

[AnilS]

Air travel...no thanks
Can think of nothing worse, than being in a building where thousands of people from different countries, all mix together.
Then packed in a metal tube for hours, just to be able to sit on a beach in the sunshine.
Nah thanks

This ^^

The air conditioning system for passengers does not have sufficient filtration to contain viral contamination.

Someone sitting in row 1 compared to row 100, makes no difference. You will breathe the same air.

Only the cockpit has specific air filtration.

This relaxation, I suspect, will come to bite us in some form again.

 

[ronk]

I despair at this rush back to “normality “ let’s just consolidate the progress so far.

 

[Zulu4]

Modern aircraft cabins do have HEPA filters that can scrub down to 0.12 microns.

From : https://www.collinsaerospace.com/newsroom/Stories/2020/06/Cabin-Air-Cleaner-Than-You-Might-Think

“What most people don’t realize is that the air delivered to an aircraft cabin is of very high quality and has been for many years,” said Lee Annecchino, vice president for Air Management Systems at Collins Aerospace. “In fact, the air supplied to a large commercial aircraft that uses a HEPA filter in its ECS can be as clean or cleaner than the air in a hospital operating room.”

There will always be variants of flu viruses. COVID-19 mutates, just like any flu virus. We cannot put life on hold forever. There has to be an end.

If you had not worked normally for over a year and your family's finances were in jeopardy (like me) then you would all see things in a very different light.

 

[firebobby]

Modern aircraft cabins do have HEPA filters that can scrub down to 0.12 microns.

From : https://www.collinsaerospace.com/newsroom/Stories/2020/06/Cabin-Air-Cleaner-Than-You-Might-Think

“What most people don’t realize is that the air delivered to an aircraft cabin is of very high quality and has been for many years,” said Lee Annecchino, vice president for Air Management Systems at Collins Aerospace. “In fact, the air supplied to a large commercial aircraft that uses a HEPA filter in its ECS can be as clean or cleaner than the air in a hospital operating room.”

There will always be variants of flu viruses. COVID-19 mutates, just like any flu virus. We cannot put life on hold forever. There has to be an end.

If you had not worked normally for over a year and your family's finances were in jeopardy (like me) then you would all see things in a very different light.

Sorry to hear about your circumstances, it can't be easy.
I must admit, I love going to places around the world, but always hated the airport side of things.
I always thought that I was at the mercy of others and if they wanted to fook you about, make you wait in queues for hours etc, they could
I feel that customers are treated like sheep.
We were doing our bit for the economy last night, sat in a pub eating and drinking with some good friends.

 

[Zulu4]

Thank you fireboby.
Agree, airports do herd people like animals.
That really ought to change.

 

[Nanu]

people who tested positive for COVID in the last 28 days

And that is only people who tested positive for COVID in the last 28 days. Which of course doesn't mean they actually died of Covid. They could have died of anything.

 

[AnilS]

@Zulu4.

Sorry to hear of your circumstances. It's a difficult situation for a lot of people.

In the last year, I've been unemployed for 9 months.

However, I'll wait a while until I get on a flight.
Maybe we've all got used to being careful and all of a sudden, it seems a "shock" to have relaxation.

Take care.

 

[mgrlane]

Sorry to hear that Zulu.

Hopefully things will get better for you.

 

[Zulu4]

Sorry to hear that Zulu.

Hopefully things will get better for you.

 

[Flyingfifer]

Reading through this gave me a good ol chuckle
If there was an Olympic sport for mental gymnastics a few would be in with a world class level performance.

Unlock the country, end the fearmongering. :soapbox:

 

[ronk]

Unlock the country, end the fearmongering. :soapbox:

Isn’t that’s what’s happening - and in a controlled / step by step manner?

I’m looking forward to more freedom - At my age I don’t have as many years to waste as you young pups!

 

[Zulu4]

Unlock the country, end the fearmongering. :soapbox: